Joe B article - Elijah Moore, Curtis Samuel, Gabe Davis

[Success]

26 minutes ago, AlCowlingsTaxiService said:

The next time I hear players say a teammate sucks will be the first. I take what our secondary players say about Gabe with a grain of salt 

 

I'm determined to believe it.  

 

We look terrible, the Patriots are apparently "back," Allen doesn't seem like himself - I'll grab onto literally anything at this point.  There is a thin tether to sports sanity at the moment.

 

 

[Lagoon Blues]

Gabe was exactly the WR he was expected to be if you watched him in college.  I just randomly watched a lot of UCF games due to living where I do.  I think the majority of the problem is people expected something he wasnt.  He is a 4th round Wr. Not bad for where he was drafted. Def beat the odds. Just my opinion.

[The Jokeman]

2 hours ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Maybe, Keon Coleman has the most snaps of any WR this season (70%), where Shakir has played about 61%
 

Despite this, Shakir out targets him 58 to 49. 
 

If they benched Keon, I think Davis and Palmer would see an uptick, but Keon would still rotate in. Shakir would likely still be Allen's top choice when he is in. 

Maybe Keon gets more snaps because he's a better run blocker and considering we run more than pass it makes sense he on field more.

 

 

 

[The Jokeman]

6 minutes ago, Lagoon Blues said:

Gabe was exactly the WR he was expected to be if you watched him in college.  I just randomly watched a lot of UCF games due to living where I do.  I think the majority of the problem is people expected something he wasnt.  He is a 4th round Wr. Not bad for where he was drafted. Def beat the odds. Just my opinion.

His performance in 13 seconds caused people to increase their expectations. He was awesome that game and think many thought he'd be the ideal size/red zone target WR he showed in that game maybe akin to a T.J. Houshmandzadeh.

[Mojo44]

8 hours ago, NoName said:

What value does Shavers bring?

Special teams stalwart at least

[Chaos]

8 hours ago, dorquemada said:

We could have prime Tyreek Hill and if the Offensive scheme eschews the forward pass it wouldn't matter

 

Brady's got to go.

I love the use of the word eschews.

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

58 minutes ago, Success said:

 

I'm determined to believe it.  

 

We look terrible, the Patriots are apparently "back," Allen doesn't seem like himself - I'll grab onto literally anything at this point.  There is a thin tether to sports sanity at the moment.

 

 

There’s always the Sabres 

[Shortchaz]

44 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

Maybe Keon gets more snaps because he's a better run blocker and considering we run more than pass it makes sense he on field more.

 

 

 

There has to be something there, something they want/expect him to grow into. I hope something clicks for everyone’s sake regardless of fault 

[DuckyBoys]

Gabe's a career 3 catch a game guy  Lets not get crazy w expectations

[CincyBillsFan]

15 minutes ago, DuckyBoys said:

Gabe's a career 3 catch a game guy  Lets not get crazy w expectations

Go on Youtube and watch a bunch of game summary videos from 2020 - 2023 and one of the things that stands out was how often you see Davis either making a big catch to convert 3rd down or score a TD. And he did it in the playoffs to.

 

I agreed 100% with Beans decision not to pay Davis 13 million per year.  His production and other issues did not warrant that level of pay.  But if he can return to near his pre-injury production then he will be the best WR on this years team.  It's not saying much other then it would be a big upgrade from the current low floor.

 

 

[Rousseauisnoschmo]

12 hours ago, dorquemada said:

We could have prime Tyreek Hill and if the Offensive scheme eschews the forward pass it wouldn't matter

 

Brady's got to go.

Won't matter as long as Mcdermotts around. Any OC is going to be required to run the ball on at least 50 percent of the plays and a minimum of 98 percent on first downs. Also no more than two passes a game over ten air yards. TD drives of less than five plays are grounds for immediate termination. Even if they start on the opponents one yard line.

Edited 13 hours ago by Rousseauisnoschmo

[Pasaluki]

7 hours ago, BillsShredder83 said:

1. Absolutely infuriating to read about Samuel. What an absolute POS. Whats his f***** deal? Got paid really well and hes standing around during scramble drill?

 

Its embarrassing to have that guy on the roster let alone getting any meaningful snaps. Especially when Moore is better suited for these clearing routes.... and ill indications pointing to Elijah atleast "caring."

 

....after 15months of standing around holding his hand while hes hurt or "hurt" or whatever is going on.

 

Im guessing ther are cap implications that prevent us from cutting him, but if there isnt hes the perfect player to "execute" in front of everyone else -- via the waiver wire. I know its not in our DNA but he should be snornfully cut in front of the whole team. Embarass him, even if he doesn't care.

 

 

Curtis Samuel has been straight trash for us and a waste of money. I had hopes for him but hes nothing but a JAG. Elijah is better but they keep running those dumb jet plays I feel like he knows more routes than that.

[Scott7975]

12 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

I agree, he was good at sideline catches and an occasional deep ball. And he NEVER should have been asked to be WR2. 

 

BUT on this offense, this year...where would he slot in now? Maybe you could force an argument that Palmer would be WR1? But that would likely be Gabe at....WR2 again.

im probably the boards biggest Gabe “hater” but the dude has made some amazing toe taps on the sideline. His problem has always been consistency with his hands and not being on the same page as Allen. 

[Scott7975]

12 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

Some of it I think you've got to put on Allen.  Brady's scheme in 2020 with Teddy Bridgewater of the QB had two 1,000 plus yard receivers in DJ Morre and Robbie Anderson.  Curtis Samuel also had 800 plus yards that year.  I don't buy that his scheme neuters WR's.

I think it’s the mental beat down from McD over the past few years. Always trying to get him to stop running. Always worried about the turnovers and not taking account the amount of big plays and TDs that occurred from the same playstyle. Then trying to turn him into Tom Brady dink and dunk etc. 

 

the dude is probably in constant conflict between what he wants to do and what the coach is telling him to do. You can see this all the time in his hesitation. I’ve been saying it for over a year now and it’s gotten worse this year. 

[DuckyBoys]

7 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

I think it’s the mental beat down from McD over the past few years. Always trying to get him to stop running. Always worried about the turnovers and not taking account the amount of big plays and TDs that occurred from the same playstyle. Then trying to turn him into Tom Brady dink and dunk etc. 

 

the dude is probably in constant conflict between what he wants to do and what the coach is telling him to do. You can see this all the time in his hesitation. I’ve been saying it for over a year now and it’s gotten worse this year. 

Josh might need to emancipate himself from McDermott

[dave mcbride]

11 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said:

Go on Youtube and watch a bunch of game summary videos from 2020 - 2023 and one of the things that stands out was how often you see Davis either making a big catch to convert 3rd down or score a TD. And he did it in the playoffs to.

 

I agreed 100% with Beans decision not to pay Davis 13 million per year.  His production and other issues did not warrant that level of pay.  But if he can return to near his pre-injury production then he will be the best WR on this years team.  It's not saying much other then it would be a big upgrade from the current low floor.

 

 

I am not the biggest Davis fan, and Jax clearly overpaid him. But these playoff numbers over seven games are pretty insane. It wasn't just the 13 seconds game either. Factoring that one out, he still had 273 across six games and averaged around 20 yards per catch with 2 TDs. And of course the 13 seconds game SHOULDN'T be factored out. It was against the highest level competition on the road.

Edited 2 hours ago by dave mcbride

[SCBills]

80% of what Gabe was for us when he was here last plus the addition of Josh Palmer back into the offense is incredibly a massive jolt of firepower on the outside compared to the NOTHING we’ve been getting for 4 weeks now. 
 

Im not expecting Gabe to be a monster out there but what he and Palmer can do, is get deep on Defenses over the top.  
 

If those one on one, no Safety shaded, deep balls to Keon become throws to Davis and Palmer, chances are teams will have to start respecting it … which in turn will help alleviate the “all eyes on Allen” and 15-20 yard umbrella defense we’re seeing from teams who only care about stopping the run and short Shakir routes mixed with intermediate over routes run by TE’s. 

[CincyBillsFan]

1 hour ago, dave mcbride said:

I am not the biggest Davis fan, and Jax clearly overpaid him. But these playoff numbers over seven games are pretty insane. It wasn't just the 13 seconds game either. Factoring that one out, he still had 273 across six games and averaged around 20 yards per catch with 2 TDs. And of course the 13 seconds game SHOULDN'T be factored out. It was against the highest level competition on the road.

Those two toe tap catches along the sideline against the Colts in that playoff game were insane.

 

 

[T master]

There is a lot to be said about the chemistry between the QB & his WR's and to this point I'm not sure that there has been enough time given to either of them, sure they get reps in OTA's & mini camp but that's just the beginning I've always felt that it takes till almost half way into the season before the players are up to gam speed and in full game shape .

 

Last season they brought Cooper in late and Josh looked to at times to be at a place where he was starting to go to him but the comfort wasn't there as of yet and the new guys brought in this season seems to be the same, but then there is Gabe he's like a old coat that just feels good when you put it on to Josh you know the one in the closet .

 

I think that if Gabe can give what he did when he was here the first go round it could help Josh immensely IF Brady utilizes him to his strengths but if he does what he does with say Knox he'll just be running routes to lose weight or block, if you have a strong point and don't use it it's not a strong point of your game .

 

That being said with the familiarity between Josh & Gabe he will more than likely look his way more and it can be a big help .

[CirclnWagons]

We have the strongest armed QB in the league and Brady refuses to throw over 5 yds down the field. It’s like having a lambo but never driving it outside your neighborhood. Add that to the fact that he couldn’t scheme open a 7/11 and it spells trouble for your program