Bust or Breakout: Can Keon Coleman make an "Eric Moulds" style great leap forward

[Virgil]

If I remember correctly, Moulds issue was attitude and effort.  

 

Coleman, while immature apparently (considering his benching, as Moulds also had issues with), doesn't show the same raw talent or speed.  Moulds was absolutely ripped too.  Dude was a monster who didn't apply it to the field.  

 

I think everyone here wants Coleman to be Moulds, but I just don't see it happening sadly. 

[Matt_In_NH]

I don’t think so.  Does not mean he can’t have a role just don’t see him having a moulds like impact ever.  

[BillsFanForever19]

6 minutes ago, ChicagoRic said:

Moulds has a quite a few bad drops, especially in year 1.  

 

No one's saying he didn't. That's not the point though. You're simply comparing catch and yardage stats.

 

You're ignoring that he wasn't on the field on Offense anywhere remotely close to as much as Coleman has been. Moulds wasn't a starter. He was behind Reed and Early. He was more KR than WR during that time. Coleman has been WR1 in the X from the jump.

Edited 7 hours ago by BillsFanForever19

[pigpen65]

Coleman was a very unfortunate pick. WR, again, is going to be a to priority for the off-season. 

[TBBills Fan]

Yes i think he can

 

Will he, we will see.

 

It's certainly not certain. 

 

[TheBeaneBandit]

Moulds was much more explosive and had a much superior burst. It's just not a fair or realistic comparison.

[Flip Johnson]

Moulds had a 97 yard KR for a TD in his rookie year. His physical gifts were just different than Coleman's.

 

Keon:

A. Is underachieving.

B. Can get better.

C. Would be more productive on a team that threw the ball more.

D. Could still go for 60/700/5TDs this year. Fans act like he is Perry Tuttle. He is contributing, plus he is mashing in the run game.

[Mr. Wonderful]

48 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Oh good, a Keon Coleman thread. In all seriousness, not much to discuss he sucks. It’s been debated on here for a year and a half. The Keon truthers have finally gone silent.
 

He’s not even really a bust. He was like the 8th or 9th WR picked and he was way overdrafted. Keon was an extremely flawed prospect that hasn’t overcome those major holes in his game. 

 

And by holes you mean lack of speed and low IQ.  

[Shortchaz]

I mean, his absolute ceiling is Hines Ward. I doubt he ever works as hard to achieve it because he came in feeling anointed. After this season he will be at a crossroads and it will be up to him where he ends. 

[Kirby Jackson]

1 minute ago, Mr. Wonderful said:

 

And by holes you mean lack of speed and low IQ.  

Mostly his inability to get open. Matt Harmon did a whole thing on him pre-draft and basically said “guys like that almost never succeed.” It didn’t mean it was impossible. The Bills just did it with Josh but it was an extreme long shot. Lightning didn’t strike twice.

[BillsFanForever19]

Just now, Kirby Jackson said:

Mostly his inability to get open. Matt Harmon did a whole thing on him pre-draft and basically said “guys like that almost never succeed.” It didn’t mean it was impossible. The Bills just did it with Josh but it was an extreme long shot. Lightning didn’t strike twice.

 

While I agree that Josh was able to do something that you don't generally see, I don't think it's a comparable situation. He had an Elite bag of tools to work with.

 

Keon is physically limited. There's nothing that can be done about his speed (or lack thereof) or his body type. Even if he became bigger and stronger, it would just serve to make him even slower.

[davefan66]

The difference between Moulds and Coleman is, nowadays you can mostly determine if a player is a bust quicker.

 

Coleman will get more chances than he may deserve. He most likely will be a mid or lower level NFL receiver who may need a change of scenery with lowered expectations to find bis niche.

[Doc Brown]

I'm still trying to go through Beane's brain here. 

 

"Ok guys.  Allen exploded when he had a smaller type WR who can create instant separation.  We know Josh is a visual thrower who needs to see the separation before pulling the trigger.  Let's get the exact opposite WR." 

[Chaos]

22 minutes ago, Shortchaz said:

I mean, his absolute ceiling is Hines Ward. I doubt he ever works as hard to achieve it because he came in feeling anointed. After this season he will be at a crossroads and it will be up to him where he ends. 

So Hall of Fame semi-finalist. Excellent.  This type of pick is why Beane is considered a wizard by the smartest football people. 

[ProcessTruster]

He'll be fine.   Classic year 3 breakout.  No pro bowler there, but he should be OK by yr 3

[The Jokeman]

1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Oh good, a Keon Coleman thread. In all seriousness, not much to discuss, he sucks. It’s been debated on here for a year and a half. The Keon truthers have finally gone silent.
 

He’s not even really a bust. He was like the 8th or 9th WR picked and he was way overdrafted. Keon was an extremely flawed prospect that hasn’t overcome those major holes in his game. 

Keon's played in 3 less games and 40 less targets and has only 54 yards and 1 TD less receiving than Xavier Worthy 2 less games  with 23 less targets and 162 more yards and as many TDs as Xavier Legette aka the two picks that he was traded for that and were drafted above him. I'm guessing we should have stayed put and drafted with of them instead?

Edited 7 hours ago by The Jokeman

[Governor]

I agree that he plays really small. It was quite noticeable right away.

[BillsFanForever19]

56 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

Keon's played in 3 less games and 40 less targets and has only 54 yards and 1 TD less receiving than Xavier Worthy 2 less games  with 23 less targets and 162 more yards and as many TDs as Xavier Legette aka the two picks that he was traded for that and were drafted above him. I'm guessing we should have stayed put and drafted with of them instead?

 

There is truth to this. He sucks. But options like Xavier Worthy, Xavier Legette, Adonai Mitchell, and Ja'Lynn Polk aren't much better. Guys like Ricky Pearsall and Ladd McConkey were Slots that we didn't need. Even Troy Franklin - who knows if he would have developed the same way had he not been Drafted alongside his College QB that he had built in chemistry with.

 

The truth is that it was considered an all-time WR class because of MHJ, Nabers, Odunze at the top and BTJ just under them. If you weren't in a position to grab one of them or didn't need a Slot, you weren't in as good of a spot as thought of Pre-Draft.

 

If I was going to crucify Beane for anything, it would be not only not doing but not even attempting to move up 6 spots to try and secure BTJ.

Edited 6 hours ago by BillsFanForever19

[Jimmy Harris 69]

Coleman should be utilized in the slot, more than on the outside. Clearly he needs more time to develop. Still on the immature side. It may take him to year 4 to really come into his own. He has been held back by this offense. No one has racked up big numbers post Diggs. If you look back at Josh Reed drafted in 2002. In an 8 year career he had 311 catches, 3575 yards and 10TDs. “Best receiver in the nation” his junior year. He did not have an impact as a pro, whereas his college career was legendary. Why was he a middling pro: Bills Offense was not geared to his strengths; he wasn’t particularly fast. Sounds familiar. Coleman is no Moulds, that’s for sure. Sometimes quickly, sometimes slowly, it will materialize,  if he works for it.  Young receivers often take longer to find themselves in pro ball. Quinten Johnson of the Chargers is such an example. Patience will be rewarded. 

[QCity]