Will McD ever have a coaching tree?

[UConn James]

1 hour ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

With his winning record, if McD gets fired by Pegula, someone else will hire him as a HC.  He'll be a HC coach long enough in this league to see some of his subordinates become head coaches.  In that sense, he'll have a tree.  

But I think the idea of a "tree" means a bit more than that.  To me a coaching tree means a coach who mentored and influenced his subordinates who later on exhibited that influence when they were head coaches.  Bill Walsh comes to mind.  

 

I think the coaches under McD might be influenced by his "process" and culture.  But his tree will lack any distinctive, original X and O tactical stuff.  To me, that's not a true tree.  McD is just another branch in the Reid tree.  

The Xs and Os just haven't come through. There was a small window but we are at the very tail end of the undersized-all-around defensive zone scheme having any kind of success. The pendulum has swung back to bruiser RBs running it roughshod. McD has refused to re-invent and, honestly, I think his tree is going to be pruned & grafted sooner rather than later.

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

2 hours ago, Lost said:

People who have coaching trees are innovators of the game.   McD is a good leader but he hasn't changed the game in any meaningful way that others will follow.  

Ending a 17 year playoff drought is not changing the game? The Bills have been a heavy hitter in the AFC ever since. I feel like McDermott is an important character in the story of the game. Is his welcome run out ? Maybe, but I don’t doubt for a minute that he wouldn’t have sustained success with another team. 

[strive_for_five_guy]

2 hours ago, Lost said:

People who have coaching trees are innovators of the game.   McD is a good leader but he hasn't changed the game in any meaningful way that others will follow.  

I mean, the league has copied the shell defense that is a staple of McD’s defenses.  Unfortunately, we don’t have the horses playing safety like we once did, and haven’t shored up other parts of the defense so far either.

[Buffalo03]

2 hours ago, Mikie2times said:

Some of the better leaders I have worked with have told me, you being an expert or great is not a sign that you’re doing your job well. How we perform when you aren’t there and how well you duplicate yourself with employees is. I think this logic clearly extends to coaches. To me it’s easier to validate who the very best are based on the number of future leaders and coaches they have been able to develop. 
 

Plenty of critical McD threads out there. I was hoping to focus this conversation on if anybody thinks McD will develop a coaching tree or has the capability of doing so, and if yes or no, how much does that matter in evaluating his success? 
 

Hypothetically, who would that tree consist of? I don’t consider Dabs, Frazier, or Brady as part of that tree. Does anybody here feel that is the case or could be in time? Maybe some influence? From my view this relevant as far as a different angle to evaluate his performance vs the standard stuff we hear on the board. 

They coached under McDermott so why would they not count under his tree? Belichick, Sean Payton, Tom Coughlin all worked on Bill Parcells's staffs. Are they not part of his tree? I don't know what your requirements would be unless you don't wanna give McDermott credit for his assistant coaches being given other coaching opportunities 

[gobills404]

No but at least he has a coaching twig that’s gone 11-30 since a fluke playoff appearance 

Edited 6 hours ago by gobills404

[UConn James]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

They coached under McDermott so why would they not count under his tree? Belichick, Sean Payton, Tom Coughlin all worked on Bill Parcells's staffs. Are they not part of his tree? I don't know what your requirements would be unless you don't wanna give McDermott credit for his assistant coaches being given other coaching opportunities 

The logic is that they coached on the side that McD is not known to have heavy involvement with. Handed them the keys to the O and let them drive without much interference.

[Bob Chandler's Hands]

How about a Mike Tomlin tree or a John Harbaugh tree? I am not sure those exist either. 
The whole concept is sort of stupid given how many times coaches change teams in their career and are influenced by different experiences. 

[Ray Stonada]

You don’t get a tree until you win a Lombardi.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

3 hours ago, wppete said:

I think Daboll falls under the Belichick tree. 
 

Daboll is off the Belichick tree, grafted to horseradish.  If you don't keep it growing in a barrel, it rages off everywhere.

Edited 4 hours ago by Ridgewaycynic2013

[Wolfgang]

Coaching tree?

 

Doubt it...

 

Coaching shrub?

 

Maybe someday...

 

 

 

[Doc Brown]

4 hours ago, Bills!Win! said:

Coaching trees would be 

 

Holmgren 

Reid

Belichick

 

who else?

Pry could add Mike Shanahan tree - McVay, Kyle Shanahan, LaFleur, McDaniel (loose branch right now).  

[Thurman#1]

Why would you not consider Frazier, Dabs and Brady as part of his tree?

 

Certainly they all had some experience previous to joining the Bills. But that's the way it generally works. It's not that common for guys to start out already with the person who will be their biggest mentor.

 

I mean, Sean Payton is considered part of Parcells' tree. But he only spent four years with Parcells. He'd been a coach since '88 and didn't get to the Cowboys with Parcells from 2003 to 2005.

 

I can see not going with Frazier, I can. But Dabs and Brady I'd say would absolutely be part of McD's tree. I'd expect more as time goes on. How successful the tree will be, I dunno, it doesn't seem to be predictable. Belichick's tree is awful, big but awful.

 

3 hours ago, UConn James said:

The logic is that they coached on the side that McD is not known to have heavy involvement with. Handed them the keys to the O and let them drive without much interference.

 

 

Parcells was a defensive guy. Payton is on offense. 

 

Belichick has guys on his tree from both sides of the ball, as do many others. Same with Bill Walsh; it's pretty common.

 

 

Edited 2 hours ago by Thurman#1

[thenorthremembers]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/pro-football-history.com/coach/1184/sean-mcdermott-bio

 

Coaching trees are subjective because coaches dont stay put.  According to this he does.   In my opinion Daboll is for sure a branch on his coaching tree.

 

Also for those who think McDermott doesnt know offense.  You dont get to be both a defensive coordinator and a successful head coach in the frickin NFL of all places without knowing offense.  Just call the thread what it is.  Another we hate McDermott thread.

Edited 2 hours ago by thenorthremembers

[Pete]

6 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

curious why you wouldn’t consider Dabs or Brady as part of his tree? 

Because Brady is incompetent and a big black spot tarnishing your legacy 

[dcinmuncie]

6 hours ago, Bills!Win! said:

Coaching trees would be 

 

Holmgren 

Reid

Belichick

 

who else?

Kyle Shanahan/sean Mcvay 

[dcinmuncie]

6 hours ago, Bills!Win! said:

Coaching trees would be 

 

Holmgren 

Reid

Belichick

 

who else?

Kyle Shanahan/sean Mcvay 

[DapperCam]

6 hours ago, Bills!Win! said:

Coaching trees would be 

 

Holmgren 

Reid

Belichick

 

who else?

LMGTFY https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coaching_tree

[GunnerBill]

He already has a tree. Brian Daboll. Might not be a successful one but it is a branch of the McDermott tree.

 

There is only one NFL coaching tree. It's Bill Walsh (and I think if you want to go back a level higher it is Paul Brown's tree). I did a thread on it in the summer. Every current NFL Head Coach except Mike Vrabel is a descendent of the Bill Walsh tree. 

Edited 1 hour ago by GunnerBill

[BuffaloBillyG]

I think a fun game would be to trace the coaches lineage back and find out how they are all related career wise to Doug Marrone. 

 

Six Degrees of Doug Marrone.

[Buffalo Boy]

7 hours ago, Bills!Win! said:

Coaching trees would be 

 

Holmgren 

Reid

Belichick

 

who else?

Bill Walsh

Maybe before your time but he was THE guy in that era and so many guys came from him or someone under him.