Joe Marino's 9 point plan for improvement

[SCBills]

To the Keon Coleman point, the only way this Offense goes to another level is if he becomes something.  Trade for a WR aside. 
 

So, yea, we can demote him in the Offense, but all that does is make us a big personnel, more predictable offense and we’re already very predictable without much on the outside to threaten teams vertically. 
 

Just seems like a band-aid that perhaps makes us more efficient, but come playoff time.. easier to defend unless we simply execute at an extremely high level.  

[DabillsDaBillsDaBills]

Anyone with eyes can see that Rapp sucks, but I can't agree with benching him for Poyer. Try to swing a trade or sign some veteran off his couch. 

 

The rest of the list looks good 

[TBBills Fan]

24 minutes ago, The Firebaugh Kid said:

I have said this before and I will continue to say it. Joe is the best analyst out there and if you’re listening to anybody else you’re wasting your time. Especially Dan Mitchell, who sucks.

Dan Mitchell is awful. 

 

Joe has great insight and does the work

[Ga boy]

52 minutes ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

You should checkout Joes' podcast it always a great listen and very informative.

 

9 points in concise fashion

1. Get back to mismatches as our big people are our strength on offense. 11-12-22 formations etc. and throw from it more as well.

2. Use Keon Coleman less, he has the most snaps and targets of any receiver.

3. Use Kincaid and Palmer more.

4. Use the Backs more in the pass game (doesn't understand where this went to).

5. Get Larry O and Hoecht up to speed and reduce the DL snaps by rookies and practice squad guys. Easy one.

6. Shaq Thompson is our best LB and needs to be treated as such. Try Bernard some at WLB.

7. Get Hairston going soon. Mentions ramping up and platooning and having ready by late season and playoffs.

8. Replace Taylor Rapp with Poyer. Not optimal, but addition by subtraction. 

9. Workout a trade for WR who can stretch and cause some fear, mentions Olave and Shaheed (PR too).

 

Many of us have mentioned some of these. The Coleman thing and being treated as if the #1 is shocking to me. We have stopped using the backs receiving as much as last year and its inexplicable. The reinforcements are self explanatory, but the safety question is bleak. All in all, there is hope, if they make some of the correct moves and don't be stubborn.

 

Great points.  I was expecting a trade this week for a safety (#1 need) and maybe a speedster.  Hope something happens.

[BuffaloBillyG]

Just now, BillsFan692 said:

Tis funny how the fans always have all the answers 🤣

I mean, to be honest no one knows their own teams weakness as well as the fans. Where even coaching staffs that may recognize  that there is a weakness may not be inclined to admit it because of their relationships and loyalties to some players. Example: Damar Hamlin being brought back. Signing guys like Poyer/Phillips to the PS instead of finding an upgrade at those positions from outside the organization. Fans are far more objective IMO than the coaches because we don't have the personal relationships.

 

Many fans watch every snap from preseason on during the year. Many fans here are actually pretty intelligent when it comes to ball. 

[oldmanfan]

Brady needs to diversify the offense the way it ran last year.  As for Coleman, just throwing back shoulder sideline routes isn’t working.  Run him in somecslants, crossing patterns and such.

[Bruffalo]

5 minutes ago, SCBills said:

To the Keon Coleman point, the only way this Offense goes to another level is if he becomes something.  Trade for a WR aside. 
 

So, yea, we can demote him in the Offense, but all that does is make us a big personnel, more predictable offense and we’re already very predictable without much on the outside to threaten teams vertically. 
 

Just seems like a band-aid that perhaps makes us more efficient, but come playoff time.. easier to defend unless we simply execute at an extremely high level.  

Maybe they should try to do different things with him besides bad jump balls on comeback and go routes. That seems to be 95% of his targets. 

 

I swear Joe Brady is allergic to slant routes. 

[Thurman#1]

30 minutes ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

Hes' gertting the most snaps and targets, that's number 1 treatment.

 

 

As for what you say here, if that's your definition of #1 treatment, you are saying that there's a #1 on every team. And if that's your argument, yeah, maybe he is our #1 if it's not Shakir.

 

Personally I don't think every team has a #1, and that the Bills don't feel they have a #1. And that that's what everybody eats is all about. And that game plans seem to vary every week with who plays more and who gets focused on more.

 

IMO he's not getting number 1 treatment, he's getting most snaps treatment. Which is not the same. And he's getting one more target than Shakir treatment, which considering Shakir has about 10% less in snaps means he's getting fewer targets for how much he's on the field than Shakir is. 

 

#1 status doesn't have much to do with snaps, as far as I'm concerned.

 

But I still don't really get what you are saying in the first post I replied to.

 

Edited 9 hours ago by Thurman#1

[corta765]

1 hour ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

Many of us have mentioned some of these. The Coleman thing and being treated as if the #1 is shocking to me. We have stopped using the backs receiving as much as last year and its inexplicable. The reinforcements are self explanatory, but the safety question is bleak. All in all, there is hope, if they make some of the correct moves and don't be stubborn.

 

 

The Coleman thing reminds me of how Whaley forced EJ to play and be the game so much in 2014 even with Orton waiting and then everyone realized for a meaningful season to happen you had to put Orton in. Like it or not until Coleman is in a reduced role fitting his skill set better also it will hurt the offense more then help at this point.

[HappyDays]

1 hour ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

4. Use the Backs more in the pass game (doesn't understand where this went to).

 

Related to this, they need to start treating Ty Johnson as the player he is this year and not the player he was last year. The player that Allen called "the best 3rd down back in the league" is not there anymore. He's had a few drops, he hasn't always been on the same page as Allen, his vision and his contact balance both look worse to my eyes. I think it's time to see what Cook can do on 3rd downs. I know he can't block but get him out on routes and see how it goes. Joe makes the point in his podcast that if teams are going to have a spy mirroring Allen, that should give us automatic space in whatever area that spy is vacating. Cook is the best player we have to take advantage of that space.

[JP51]

1 minute ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Honestly, this isn't breaking news or shocking analysis. People have said the same stuff on here for weeks. The areas of weakness on this team are gleaming. If we as fans can spot it I suspect even the worst of NFL coaching staffs can spot the same during their prep for the Bills. 

 

This is where I hope our staff took the bye week and did some self scouting. That's typically how the staff has spent the bye in the past. Hopefully they have self identified ways to shake things up and get better. 

I was gonna say, pretty much everyone here is similar in thought... I think what is missing in my opinion some of which we not be agreed upon is...  

 

1. Identify a defensive mind and intstall this person... Fire Babick or not... but take the play calling and design duties away...  I say fire him

2. Trade for another WR that can stretch the field but I hate this... sit Shavers, or Elijah or Samuel, put Keon on the bench etc... lets get Gabe in there when ready and see what he does... 

3. Get another LB with some size and see if we can augment Bernards role from attacking/pursuing to more coverage and or maybe more blitzing... like a hybrid LB/Saftey like a George Wilson back in the day... he is awful shedding blocks and gets eaten up way to easily. 

[somnus00]

Brady is trying to make this offense into something it's not. This isn't LSU. The Bills don't have Jefferson and Chase.

 

Design plays to utilize player strengths. And go with formations that put your best 11 on the field. I like Keon. But he's not ready. Maybe he never will be, but he needs development.

[Solomon Grundy]

1 hour ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

You should checkout Joes' podcast it always a great listen and very informative.

 

9 points in concise fashion

1. Get back to mismatches as our big people are our strength on offense. 11-12-22 formations etc. and throw from it more as well.

2. Use Keon Coleman less, he has the most snaps and targets of any receiver.

3. Use Kincaid and Palmer more.

4. Use the Backs more in the pass game (doesn't understand where this went to).

5. Get Larry O and Hoecht up to speed and reduce the DL snaps by rookies and practice squad guys. Easy one.

6. Shaq Thompson is our best LB and needs to be treated as such. Try Bernard some at WLB.

7. Get Hairston going soon. Mentions ramping up and platooning and having ready by late season and playoffs.

8. Replace Taylor Rapp with Poyer. Not optimal, but addition by subtraction. 

9. Workout a trade for WR who can stretch and cause some fear, mentions Olave and Shaheed (PR too).

 

Many of us have mentioned some of these. The Coleman thing and being treated as if the #1 is shocking to me. We have stopped using the backs receiving as much as last year and its inexplicable. The reinforcements are self explanatory, but the safety question is bleak. All in all, there is hope, if they make some of the correct moves and don't be stubborn.

 

Is #2 because he's been the most healthiest so far?

[Maynard]

Get Olave right now! Not tomorrow, not next week. Damn the cost. 

[Solomon Grundy]

Just now, Solomon Grundy said:

Is #2 because he's been the most healthiest so far?

I'd rather see Cole Bishop replaced than Rapp. At least Rapp can tackle. Pressure from the front seven can camouflage his coverage ability 

[RyanC883]

1 hour ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

You should checkout Joes' podcast it always a great listen and very informative.

 

9 points in concise fashion

1. Get back to mismatches as our big people are our strength on offense. 11-12-22 formations etc. and throw from it more as well.

2. Use Keon Coleman less, he has the most snaps and targets of any receiver.

3. Use Kincaid and Palmer more.

4. Use the Backs more in the pass game (doesn't understand where this went to).

5. Get Larry O and Hoecht up to speed and reduce the DL snaps by rookies and practice squad guys. Easy one.

6. Shaq Thompson is our best LB and needs to be treated as such. Try Bernard some at WLB.

7. Get Hairston going soon. Mentions ramping up and platooning and having ready by late season and playoffs.

8. Replace Taylor Rapp with Poyer. Not optimal, but addition by subtraction. 

9. Workout a trade for WR who can stretch and cause some fear, mentions Olave and Shaheed (PR too).

 

Many of us have mentioned some of these. The Coleman thing and being treated as if the #1 is shocking to me. We have stopped using the backs receiving as much as last year and its inexplicable. The reinforcements are self explanatory, but the safety question is bleak. All in all, there is hope, if they make some of the correct moves and don't be stubborn.

 

 

Yeah, coaches way to stubborn for much of this, but I like most of the suggestions.  However, Larry O being a great savior is way overstated.  Steelers couldn't wait to see him gone.  I'm not sure he is much more than a JAG at best.  I'd also add, we need to trade for a safety at least.  Poyer or Rapp and Bishop strike fear into no one.  Literally we could trade with some colleges and likely improve.  

[Thurman#1]

3 minutes ago, Bruffalo said:

Maybe they should try to do different things with him besides bad jump balls on comeback and go routes. That seems to be 95% of his targets. 

 

I swear Joe Brady is allergic to slant routes. 

 

 

Coming out of college he had been very successful on buttonhooks also, but yeah, slants too. Anything where he was working back towards the QB at the end of the route he was good at.

[HappyDays]

14 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Where even coaching staffs that may recognize  that there is a weakness may not be inclined to admit it because of their relationships and loyalties to some players. Example: Damar Hamlin being brought back.

 

Funny enough if Hamlin was healthy I'd put him in over Rapp right now. Hamlin has his athletic limitations but he plays his assignment and hits his landmarks, which is more than Rapp is doing this season. He also wouldn't be missing 25% of his tackles like Rapp is.

[Einstein]

People on this forum really love this podcaster

[Sweats]

..........or we can just follow the Sweats one point plan and fire some coaches