Signing Edmunds to an extension vs. drafting Bernard and signing him to an extension

[Special K]

This is not meant to be a "hindsight" thread....the consensus of the board at the time (myself included) was that Edmunds should not be given a big money extension.....

 

However, now that Bernard has been signed to a lucrative extension, I think it's fair to revisit if it would have been better to extend Edmunds instead of using a 3rd round pick on Bernard and paying him instead.

 

We know Edmunds is weak against the run, however, I think we all underestimated his value in pass coverage......probably due to the fact that we had peak Poyer/Hyde at the time.....and didn't think of what the D might look like when they would be past their prime/retired.

 

Bernard is stronger against the run, and seems to be a good leader, but is oft-injured, and a liability in pass coverage.

 

I don't know the answer to this one, but I thought it would be an interesting discussion during the bye week after two tough losses.

 

Thoughts??

Edited 5 hours ago by Special K

[Sweats]

How dare you question our FO!!!.........don't you know they are the smartest ones in the room........the whole league for that matter.

[Dunkirk Donski]

Edmunds is only 17.  You may be on to something 

[Mailman]

2 minutes ago, Dunkirk Donski said:

Edmunds is only 17.  You may be on to something 

He may be drinking age by now!

[Aussie Joe]

He will be back at Buffalo next year …

[billsfan89]

The extension for Bernard was much smaller esp as a percentage of the cap. Bernard as makes more impactful plays than Edmunds ever did. I think he's worth keeping the deal was a solid one. 

[KOKBILLS]

I would rather they did neither.

[Donuts and Doritos]

C.) Neither - get a big line backer who can stop the run & cover the pass. 

[NewEra]

Neither were worth an extension imo.

 

One is made of glass while the other was allergic to making splash plays

 

[Walking Tall]

Edmunds misdiagnosed plays at times and it was frustrating. But he at least gave this team a presence in the middle. Just with his wing span alone. Bernard really doesn’t.

Edited 6 hours ago by Walking Tall

[Big Turk]

Edmunds used to carry WR on routes down the seam at times in coverage...Bernard doesn't give you that and doesn't make up enough ground in pass coverage too often...

 

Usually plays with good instincts but lacks explosiveness to get places with speed too often.

[Royale with Cheese]

Tremaine Edmunds has the most INT's than any LB the last 3 years with 7.  

 

I know he was hated here but I think he might be the one major ingredient we're missing in the pass defense.

Allen once said that Edmunds makes it hard to see when throwing the ball because he was so massive in the middle.

[GaryPinC]

10 minutes ago, Special K said:

This is not meant to be a "hindsight" thread....the consensus of the board at the time (myself included) was that Edmunds should not be given a big money extension.....

 

However, now the Bernard has been signed to a lucrative extension, I think it's fair to revisit if it would have been better to extend Edmunds instead of using a 3rd round pick on Bernard and paying him instead.

 

We know Edmunds is weak against the run, however, I think we all underestimated his value in pass coverage......probably due to the fact that we had peak Poyer/Hyde at the time.....and didn't think of what the D might look like when they would be past their prime/retired.

 

Bernard is stronger against the run, and seems to be a good leader, but is oft-injured, and a liability in pass coverage.

 

I don't know the answer to this one, but I thought it would be an interesting discussion during the bye week after two tough losses.

 

Thoughts??

I check in on Edmunds' play once in a while.  He's more aggressive this year, maybe because next year is his last contract year, and as always will make plays right in front of him.  But when he's even a moderate distance from the ball he continues to be all about the show pony trot and I've still never seen him fight through a block even once.  He's always backing up slowly.   We are better off doing what we did.

[colin]

neither is the 20/20 hindsight answer.

 

we would have been much better off to let milano walk, extend edmunds, draft bernard and let him walk, and rinse and repeat.

 

on d (except front 4, which is now actually really stacked) we have just position groups with a lack of speed/power/skill.  our rook corners (all 3, my gosh) go down and we have the ghost of tre out there, and bernard is playing cheeks and isn't fast to start with.  bishop is not good, but rapp is so much worse, and the back up is hamlin who was never good.  milano goes down (obv) and bernard goes down, and we have street free agents and dorian (i still have faith, but he does make so many mistakes).  turns out shaq as a street free agent is a better nfl lb than anyone else on our roster, including like 22mm a year on our "starters".

 

atlanta is not a good team, and does not have a good d, but they have a squad of small fast long pass rushers, and they just used that to stymie our idiot OC.  aside from our front 4 (which means we have real talented players on the bench doing nothing while tre white and bernard and rapp give up plays over and over) we only have weak defensive position groups 

[Sweats]

12 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

He will be back at Buffalo next year …

 

 

 

 

........he'll be back in Buffalo when he's washed up, no good to any other team and can't play anymore

[streetkings01]

Neither deserved an extension, but Edmunds is clearly the better player and was always available to play unlike Bernard.

[boyst]

Edmunds wasn't the weakest link he was just the easiest to blame.  he was big and durable. 

 

milano always had the higher ceiling and was going to surpass him but his durability due to size was always a concern. edmunds + milano + a hybrid nickel/monster (shaq thompson) was waht the team always had in mind but went the other way getting taron johnson as the nickel who was too small to help the run.

[Bangarang]

The Bernard extension would have been good if he returned to his play from 2023. 

[Kirby Jackson]

Edmunds is a better player than Bernard. He can just do more. Neither extension would have been a good decision.  

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

The reality is that the McD scheme needs some tweaking. I would prefer we go with three thumper LBs, and some space eaters on the line. Instead, we have the smaller penetrating DLs and the quicker LBs. Even if that scheme worked, these guys like Bernard And Milano are too small and injury prone to play LB.