Roster Support over the past three years (Beane)

[Bill from NYC]

2 minutes ago, RoscoeParrish said:

If McD has equal say on personnel, doesn’t he get credit for keeping Josh in Buffalo?

 

I’m not sure where this defense of Beane comes from. He’s very good at trying to convince everybody he’s very good at his job. That’s probably his greatest achievement.

Point taken, in that if Josh hated McDermott he probably would have left town.

 

That said, I was always under the impression that contracts like the one Josh received are mostly worked on by GMs, accountants, and player agents. I don't really know how involved coaches get.

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

On 10/14/2025 at 4:04 AM, Lionel Hutz said:

On 10/14/2025 at 4:04 AM, Lionel Hutz said:

The Bills are the Sabres if the Sabres had Connor McDavid. 

The Bills ARE the Hasek era Sabres …a mediocre team with a great goalie/quarterback 

[Virgil]

6 hours ago, machine gun kelly said:

Virg, not to be picky, but you missed on one extension in 2025.  James Cook.

How ***** dare you 😋

4 hours ago, Bill from NYC said:

@Virgil, your post would seem to absolve McDermott of any responsibility. Do you think that McDermott sat there like a trained puppy and said "yes sir" to anything Beane wanted to do? McDermott was here before Beane and had control over the draft. You remember, the one in which he gave Mahomes to KC and drafted a cornerback.

 

Imo, there is absolutely NO WAY that McDermott does not have at least an equal say. In fact, if one had to go I would rather see McDermott gone than Beane. If nothing else, Beane was able to keep Josh in Buffalo. I don't even want to think about this Bills team without Josh. 

Oh, not in the slightest.  McD can go too for all I care.  I just wanted to focus on the singular here, multiple focuses typically go off the rails.  

[ngbills]

Beane prefers all the many every body eats pieces.  We don’t need a Chase that completely takes over game. We would rather spend $20m+ on Moore, Samuel, Knox, etc. 

[JazzyNBlue]

On 10/14/2025 at 12:52 AM, paulmm3 said:

I would like to see the Bills shift away from their strategy of primarily selecting pre-draft visitors in the draft. I think it artificially limits the pool of talent they are selecting from which leads to selections in the draft that are not the most talented player available.

 

I also think Beane and company get too enamored with specific players and do too much trading of draft picks. You guys aren't that much smarter than all the other talent evaluators in the league and your specific players don't turn out to be better. Just stay put and take the highest consensus ranked guy at the position you need help at like a normal team.

Unfortunately I don’t believe that this will ever happen with Beane and McDermott, they place too high of a value on a players leadership/personality traits than football abilities. They feel that they are such great coaches that they can make them a better football player than they are if that player is coachable. So they need the individual interview. 

[CincyBillsFan]

6 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

You missed the Cook extension. But otherwise spot on. I have made the same point just about the 12 big investments in dollars or picks last spring. They are not getting the contributions you would hope for. 

 

Taking it even more down to brass tacks since the Allen draft Beane has had one "home run" draft year - 2022. And he even managed to bust his first rounder that year. Rolls a lot of singles. But at this stage the lack of doubles is really starting to hurt.

What is frightening about the Cook extension was that it almost didn't happen - at least from my admittedly distant vantage point.  As another poster noted it's almost as if the organization thought the offense could still excel without Cook.

 

 

[dave mcbride]

On 10/14/2025 at 8:13 PM, Cray51 said:

KC:

2024:

Worthy - Meh/Good (He has had big games, but his career stats are almost EXACTLY like Colemans')

 

Not if you include the playoffs. He led all receivers in the postseason last year with 19 receptions, and had 287 receiving yards plus 3 TDs (including one against the Bills to go along with an incredible catch near the goal line late in the game). He also had 2 rushes for 16 yards versus the Bills last year in that playoff game. You have to factor in the postseason when making these evaluations. 

 

Also, Worthy has 25 rushes for 157 yards and 3 TDs. Coleman has one carry for 9 yards.

On 10/14/2025 at 12:43 PM, TheBrownBear said:

I think there's some recency bias here, but yes, Beane seems to be missing at higher and higher rates.  That 2024 draft - woof!  It's looking like it could be a complete wash. As of today, I can't see any of those players earning a second contract and I wouldn't be shocked to see some of them moved for whatever we can get within the next 12 months.

 

Edit: And I am now 100% on board with the folks who say that Beane can't identify WR talent to save his life. He made some good moves early in his tenure by trading for Diggs and signing Beasley, but outside of getting lucky with Shakir, he's been absolutely horrendous. He's seeming enamoured with these big bodied types who are complete stiffs (Benjamin, Davis, Coleman, Shorter, Prather, etc.).  I know he was a 5th round pick, but I became seriously concerned about the issue when Beane wasted a pick on Justin Shorter - a guy that anyone with a functioning set of eyes could see had no hope of translating into an NFL player.  And I'm not sure what the hell he was thinking when he signed Curtis Samuel - who is just completely redundant with Shakir on the roster (and then adding Moore on top of it).  Just an absolute waste of $24m.

Don't forget Devin Funchess.

Edited 14 hours ago by dave mcbride

[Sweats]

My god, it looks like our FO is too focused on quantity over quality, but what do i know...........i am merely a lowly fan and Beane is a wizard, so......

[GunnerBill]

44 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

What is frightening about the Cook extension was that it almost didn't happen - at least from my admittedly distant vantage point.  As another poster noted it's almost as if the organization thought the offense could still excel without Cook.

 

 

 

Agree, I've made that point too. 

[HappyDays]

2 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said:

What is frightening about the Cook extension was that it almost didn't happen - at least from my admittedly distant vantage point.  As another poster noted it's almost as if the organization thought the offense could still excel without Cook.

 

 

 

It's been long enough that I can put this out there now - There was a period right before the draft where the Bills gave Cook and his agent permission to seek a trade. It wasn't a coincidence he put his house up for sale in April, he thought he was gone. No trade partner ever came through and that's the only reason he's still on the team. The Bills were ready to let him go and I can't even imagine how awful our offense would look if that had happened.

 

For whatever reason Beane just doesn't believe skill players are important. He rested his laurels on last year's offensive efficiency and seemed to think that as long as he has Allen the offense will be elite. Well, we're learning the hard way that that isn't automatically true.

[Warriorspikes51]

 

6 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

It's been long enough that I can put this out there now - There was a period right before the draft where the Bills gave Cook and his agent permission to seek a trade. It wasn't a coincidence he put his house up for sale in April, he thought he was gone. No trade partner ever came through and that's the only reason he's still on the team. The Bills were ready to let him go and I can't even imagine how awful our offense would look if that had happened.

 

For whatever reason Beane just doesn't believe skill players are important. He rested his laurels on last year's offensive efficiency and seemed to think that as long as he has Allen the offense will be elite. Well, we're learning the hard way that that isn't automatically true.

 

interesting thanks for sharing.  I believe a lot of us, including myself were fine with letting him leave he wanted 15-20 M per

I'm glad it worked out.  It would be nice if the OC could remember to incorporate him in the screen game when teams are blitzing all game

 

Cook reminds me somewhat of Jamaal Charles.  If he was used more in the pass game, I suspect the stats could be fairly similar 

 

C+ would be my grade for roster support

Edited 12 hours ago by Warriorspikes51

[BVBILLS]

Bean is not as good as he thinks he is. He should just trade the higher picks for proven players. He leans on Josh as hard as Mc Clappy does. 

[Cray51]

3 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

Not if you include the playoffs. He led all receivers in the postseason last year with 19 receptions, and had 287 receiving yards plus 3 TDs (including one against the Bills to go along with an incredible catch near the goal line late in the game). He also had 2 rushes for 16 yards versus the Bills last year in that playoff game. You have to factor in the postseason when making these evaluations. 

 

Also, Worthy has 25 rushes for 157 yards and 3 TDs. Coleman has one carry for 9 yards.

Don't forget Devin Funchess.

Worthy before the backups were playing for Philly was 2 catches for 9 yards.  He had 149 receiving yards and 6 catches after Philly stopped playing any defensive starters and the game was 34-0

 

He was 13 catches for 139 yards over 2.5 games prior to Philly not caring.  Credit to him for beating up on Philly's backups, but he was a non-factor when the game mattered.

 

Worthy is a decent receiver right now who get way overhyped for being a strong gadget guy at the goalline and having great speed.  He still doesn't generate natural separation against NFL corners.  The Chiefs make him work, that doesn't mean he is an incredible player.  Hence as a late first, he is an ok pick for the spot.  If he can be a 1100 yard 10 TD threat, then he is a great pick for the spot.  He isn't anywhere close to that right now

[dave mcbride]

3 minutes ago, Cray51 said:

Worthy before the backups were playing for Philly was 2 catches for 9 yards.  He had 149 receiving yards and 6 catches after Philly stopped playing any defensive starters and the game was 34-0

 

He was 13 catches for 139 yards over 2.5 games prior to Philly not caring.  Credit to him for beating up on Philly's backups, but he was a non-factor when the game mattered.

 

Worthy is a decent receiver right now who get way overhyped for being a strong gadget guy at the goalline and having great speed.  He still doesn't generate natural separation against NFL corners.  The Chiefs make him work, that doesn't mean he is an incredible player.  Hence as a late first, he is an ok pick for the spot.  If he can be a 1100 yard 10 TD threat, then he is a great pick for the spot.  He isn't anywhere close to that right now

Even if you discount the late-game stats, 13 catches in 2.5 games, that extrapolates to 89 catches in a 17-game season. And it is undeniable that he played great against the Bills in the AFC championship game. 

[Cray51]

35 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Even if you discount the late-game stats, 13 catches in 2.5 games, that extrapolates to 89 catches in a 17-game season. And it is undeniable that he played great against the Bills in the AFC championship game. 

Sure, it paces to 1000 yards on the dot too.

 

However, There are still questions around Worthy and his ability to be healthy and handle the wear and tear of a full 17 game season.  He already missed 3 games this year, and is averaging under 50 yards in the full games he has played.

[No_Matter_What]

On 10/14/2025 at 5:22 AM, Virgil said:

Looking back at all the offseason moves to support this team the past three years is a lot more eye opening than I expected.  I went and bolded all the players who are contributing this season in a meaningful way, it's a scary sight.  On draft classes alone, you could argue Beane should be fired.  3 total starters from the last three drafts.  That's horrific.  Add to that the new contact extensions that we can't get out of, and it looks to be time....

 

 

Sorry, Virgil, but your post confirms my impression that this board has gone totally mad. Even some of the best posters have become completely irrational. It’s really sad to see.

 

What you bolded is total nonsense. There are five players from the draft who are clear starters right now: Torrence, Kincaid, Coleman, Bishop, and Walker.

 

Hairston isn’t a starter simply because he’s injured. It’s not fair to judge him based on that. And what’s completely unfair is to judge Beane based on injuries to Hairston, Sanders, and Strong. When your kids get hurt on a school trip, it doesn’t make you a bad father. Injuries happen — and Beane has nothing to do with that. It’s crazy how so many people are calling the 2025 Bills draft a failure after just six games, especially with the top two picks plus Strong injured. It’s crazy — and sad.

 

Many players you didn’t bold are contributing in meaningful ways. Groot is. Hawes is. Bernard is. Coleman definitely is. I get that he’s not WR1, maybe not even WR2, and that’s disappointing. But he’s still 60th in the NFL in receiving yards. So even if you think he sucks, he’s still a relevant NFL player and is contributing. I remember his 112-yard game when we beat the Ravens.

 

I get it — we’ve lost two games, including one to the Patriots, which sucks. Our hopes of getting the number one seed are in jeopardy. But we’re still a top-2 Super Bowl favorite at every sportsbook. Reading these forums, you’d think we were the worst team in the league. Kirby even said we’re a 4-win team without Allen and with average QB play (like Tua), which in my opinion takes the insanity here to a whole new level. But that’s for another post.

 

To be clear — we do have big issues: in the secondary, at receiver, and with defensive playcalling. I’d have fired Babich yesterday. I’d fire McDermott after the season if we don’t make the Super Bowl. And I’d even consider firing Beane, though I'd probably let him stay.

 

But the level of negativity here, about everything related to this team, is really something else.

[machine gun kelly]

5 hours ago, Virgil said:

How ***** dare you 😋

Oh, not in the slightest.  McD can go too for all I care.  I just wanted to focus on the singular here, multiple focuses typically go off the rails.  

I actually almost didnt write it, as I like you, and didnt want you p#@#ed at me.  You’re one of the many good guys.  Especially after all the work you put into that thread.

[Virgil]

12 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said:

I actually almost didnt write it, as I like you, and didnt want you p#@#ed at me.  You’re one of the many good guys.  Especially after all the work you put into that thread.

You were totally right to call that out.  I cant believe i missed that.  
 

I was just messing with you with my response, hence the 😋

25 minutes ago, No_Matter_What said:

 

Sorry, Virgil, but your post confirms my impression that this board has gone totally mad. Even some of the best posters have become completely irrational. It’s really sad to see.

 

What you bolded is total nonsense. There are five players from the draft who are clear starters right now: Torrence, Kincaid, Coleman, Bishop, and Walker.

 

Hairston isn’t a starter simply because he’s injured. It’s not fair to judge him based on that. And what’s completely unfair is to judge Beane based on injuries to Hairston, Sanders, and Strong. When your kids get hurt on a school trip, it doesn’t make you a bad father. Injuries happen — and Beane has nothing to do with that. It’s crazy how so many people are calling the 2025 Bills draft a failure after just six games, especially with the top two picks plus Strong injured. It’s crazy — and sad.

 

Many players you didn’t bold are contributing in meaningful ways. Groot is. Hawes is. Bernard is. Coleman definitely is. I get that he’s not WR1, maybe not even WR2, and that’s disappointing. But he’s still 60th in the NFL in receiving yards. So even if you think he sucks, he’s still a relevant NFL player and is contributing. I remember his 112-yard game when we beat the Ravens.

 

I get it — we’ve lost two games, including one to the Patriots, which sucks. Our hopes of getting the number one seed are in jeopardy. But we’re still a top-2 Super Bowl favorite at every sportsbook. Reading these forums, you’d think we were the worst team in the league. Kirby even said we’re a 4-win team without Allen and with average QB play (like Tua), which in my opinion takes the insanity here to a whole new level. But that’s for another post.

 

To be clear — we do have big issues: in the secondary, at receiver, and with defensive playcalling. I’d have fired Babich yesterday. I’d fire McDermott after the season if we don’t make the Super Bowl. And I’d even consider firing Beane, though I'd probably let him stay.

 

But the level of negativity here, about everything related to this team, is really something else.

I bolded the players that are starters and that we are happy with.  If you think Coleman and Bishop have lived up to their draft status as of now, we can agree to disagree. 
 

To me, the percentage of moves made by Beane over the last three years that have paid off is less than expected.  

[Governor]

The drafts have been bad, but I tend to believe that it’s also a McD problem. They’ve both been packing this roster with undersized players the whole time. That strategy didn’t begin to shift until the Coleman pick, and they really didn’t shift far enough yet.
 

I think Beane finally realized what some of us saw jump off the screen in the playoff games. The Chiefs were just a lot bigger than us, especially on defense. I never understood why they wanted so many small guys.

 

My biggest problem with Beane has actually been  his pre-draft and post-draft signing process(filling holes)and the quality of those players. He’s wasted so much money. He panics trying to fill holes and he panics during the draft too. He also telegraphs his picks by the holes he fills and ALWAYS drafts for immediate need.

 

Edited 6 hours ago by Governor

[ganesh]

On 10/14/2025 at 10:18 AM, KOKBILLS said:

 

Agreed...

Am I allowed to go all the way back to the DK Metcalf Draft? 

or the Mahomes trade or the Worthy Trade .... Sheesh...it is what it is!

3 hours ago, Governor said:

The drafts have been bad, but I tend to believe that it’s also a McD problem. They’ve both been packing this roster with undersized players the whole time. That strategy didn’t begin to shift until the Coleman pick, and they really didn’t shift far enough yet.
 

I think Beane finally realized what some of us saw jump off the screen in the playoff games. The Chiefs were just a lot bigger than us, especially on defense. I never understood why they wanted so many small guys.

 

My biggest problem with Beane has actually been  his pre-draft and post-draft signing process(filling holes)and the quality of those players. He’s wasted so much money. He panics trying to fill holes and he panics during the draft too. He also telegraphs his picks by the holes he fills and ALWAYS drafts for immediate need.

 

so true in every aspect.

 

He has panicked on every 1st round or 2nd round picks.  He doesn't let the draft come to him.   

we pick too much for the need.

And the huge contracts doled out to Benford, Rosseau and Bernard are going to bite this team for a long time (like it has been with Milano)