10/5/2025 GAMEDAY Bills vs Patriots Post Game Thread SNF

[Boatdrinks]

1 minute ago, Johnnycage46 said:

Its not like since we got the loss out of the way it's clear sailing. This team has a load of problems (bad defense, bad WRs, poor coaching)...to go where we want them to, they need to win these "winnable" games.

The Bills were not going undefeated this season. They will lose “ winnable” games as they’re all winnable. There are no perfect teams, as we’ve seen so far this season. 

[MasterStrategist]

Just now, BeastMaster said:

Palmer does not have speed. Dude was a scrub with 1TD last season and wasn't even a starting WR

 

Palmer will continue to be another poor use of money when we could've taken him and the two PED guys money and basically gotten DK...a real speed guy

Thats a Beane special, which drives me nuts.

 

Every year we look at what I call "optimizing cap space"-- Beane is not good at all.  Comparing him to other top GMs, which Im sorry we will always be just 1 or 2 games short of a SB if we dont improve somehow at acquiring more talent.  Samuel, Palmer, Knox, Rapp, etc.   The cap space that gets used on mediocre / replaceable players.  I like Knox, but not at his cap hit.

 

Lets see what Hoecht and Oji do upon returning.  They might be next on the list too.

 

Most frustrating part of this team continues to be a lack of killer instinct/aggressive mindset on either side of ball.  Our defense has injuries but its not a very talented group.  Rapp starts on only few teams in this league, same with Daquon.  Tre maybe starts for 5-10 teams.  Milano cant stay healthy.

 

This is Tarons last season with us too, IMO or should be.  Hes lost a step.

[RiotAct]

Just now, Simon said:

 

You forgot one ; - )

 

oh yes, the come hither motion, how could I forget that 😩

[Johnnycage46]

Just now, Buffalo716 said:

Who's ahead of us without a tiebreaker? Nobody.. you think Indy is going to be ahead of us in 13 weeks

Yes. And they are currently. Indy has a light schedule and has been wrecking teams.

[Shortchaz]

I mean, I love the bills but this is really going nowhere. We’re running our heads into a wall. McDermott will NEVER  get it done here (or anywhere). He’s too square. 

Edited 4 hours ago by Shortchaz

[Johnnycage46]

Just now, Boatdrinks said:

The Bills were not going undefeated this season. They will lose “ winnable” games as they’re all winnable. There are no perfect teams, as we’ve seen so far this season. 

 Never expected undefeated. But with the current state of the AFC, tonight was a must win in order to keep distance for the 1 seed. 

[Buffalo716]

Just now, Johnnycage46 said:

Yes. And they are currently. Indy has a light schedule and has been wrecking teams.

I don't doubt they're a solid team.. at the end of the season when there's one game on the line winner take all I don't know how anybody is taking Daniel Jones over Josh Allen or Patrick mahomes.. they got a lot to show before they even eclipse the top three

[Awwufelloff]

3 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

I don't disagree.  I do disagree on what was called and what wasn't called most of the night.

 

They threw us a bone late when they called that PI for the cook pass on the sideline.  Our defense was getting held and dragged down from behind all night and they didn't have a single offensive line penalty.  Somehow, I have trouble thinking that our awesome oline committed 3 holding calls and they had none.

Josh literally got saved on that PI, he didn't play well. We turned the ball over far too many times tonight. 

[KOKBILLS]

6 minutes ago, ngbills said:

Highly unlikely we were going undefeated. We will probably have another bad loss at some point this year. 
 

More concerning is how the defense has played. BAL has been the only legit offense and we were a joke most of that game. But even against below average teams we often look outmatched. Come playoff time it’s scary to think the O will carry them.  

 

I agree the D is far more concerning year to date...

But tonight...even with all the penalties...if we simply don't turn the ball over we win this game, and maybe even win it easily... The Defense did what was necessary. They are a MASH unit out there and we are seeing fast decline of key players that were thought to be relatively solid like Milano, Rapp and Taron... Not to mention Tre who is a liability. Groot and Benford are not playing up to their normal high standard... It's just a mess right now...

Even still...The Bills Offense not scoring at least 24 points at home is just not expected. I'm actually shocked the D held them to 23...

[Johnnycage46]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

I don't doubt they're a solid team.. at the end of the season when there's one game on the line winner take all I don't know how anybody is taking Daniel Jones over Josh Allen or Patrick mahomes.. they got a lot to show before they even eclipse the top three

If it was only about our QB we would probably have 3 SB wins already. Outside of Allen we are pretty ass. And if he has an off night, it's an L.

Edited 4 hours ago by Johnnycage46

[BananaB]

Bills haven’t played a solid game  all season and managed to come up with wins. What and ugly game. To conservative on O and couldn’t cover on D. McD football!

[Success]

Such deja vu.

 

The D got a big stop in the Ravens game - but those are so rare when the game is winding down.  In the KC playoff game this past season, you could feel that we weren't going to stop them to get another chance, and it was the same tonight.

 

What I'd give for one of those drought-era defenses that came up big even though we couldn't score at all.

 

 

Edited 4 hours ago by Success

[Buffalo716]

2 minutes ago, Johnnycage46 said:

If it was only about our QB we would probably have 3 SB wins already. Outside of Allen we are pretty ass. And if he has an offense night, it's an L.

No where are not

 

That's freaking insane .. football is the ultimate team game and it takes luck to win a super bowl as much as skill

 

I'm not even going to get into it here but Sean McDermott absolutely develops players at a higher rate as any NFL coach 

 

He's not minimizing talent bro .. he's not taking an A+ roster and making it a c plus 

 

He takes b football players and makes them play at a higher grade for the majority of the season for his entire career 

 

He's not taking talent and screwing them

Edited 4 hours ago by Buffalo716

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

21 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

It not just how many points the D gave up but when they gave them up. In the 1st half the O struggled and was awful while the D played very well.  The score was 6 - 3 Pats.  In the 2nd half the Bills O played very well scoring 17 points on 4 possessions with their only TO giving the Pats the ball at their own 10 yard line.  Playing at home should have been enough to eek out the win had the D played better in the 2nd half and actually gave us a full game.

 

And again the D did not step up at crucial moments in the game - after the Bills took a 10 - 6 lead in the 3rd they allowed a long TD drive to give the Pats the lead again.  And after the Allen INT the D allowed a 90 yard drive that gave the Pats a 2 score lead. And of course at the end of the game after we tied it up the D let the Pats move into FG range.

 

 

 

 

I mean they bailed out two bills turnovers and got the offense the ball back down 3 on what could’ve been the final possession. 
 

if the defense didn’t play well in the first half that game is over at halftime…no idea how we’re not blaming both.  There is no ‘crucial moment in the game’ at all if the defense wasn’t stout in the first half 😂

Edited 3 hours ago by Generic_Bills_Fan

[The Wiz]

2 minutes ago, BananaB said:

Bills haven’t played a solid game  all season and managed to come up with wins. What and ugly game. To conservative on O and couldn’t cover on D. McD football!

Both issues are the same problem.  The players we have at skill positions aren't good enough to overcome their lack of elite talent.  Having "average to better than good" is the status quo for this team other than Allen.

Edited 3 hours ago by The Wiz

[Johnnycage46]

1 minute ago, Success said:

Such deja vu.

 

The D got a big stop in the Ravens game - but those are do rare when the game is winding down.  In the KC playoff game this past season, you could feel that we weren't going to stop them to get another chance, and it was the same tonight.

 

What I'd give for one of those drought-era defenses that came up big even though we couldn't score at all.

 

 

Never have it all on the same team, in the same season. Sucks.

[BRH]

54 minutes ago, Success said:

Hey, lurking Pats fans - "YOU WON YOUR SUPER BOWL."

 

And the only reason I'm saying that is because you couldn't let us enjoy our 3 wins against you in the Brady era without saying exactly that. Though, you are celebrating like you won a title online.

 

Tomorrow their media guys will be saying stuff like “this game will be remembered for 30 years” and “the Bills’ window has closed,” just like they were babbling four years ago. 

[Johnnycage46]

Just now, Buffalo716 said:

No where are not

 

That's freaking insane .. football is the ultimate team game and it takes luck to win a super bowl as much as skill

 

I'm not even going to get into it here but Sean McDermott absolutely develops players at a higher rate as any NFL coach 

 

He's not minimizing talent bro .. he's not taking an A+ roster and making it a c plus 

 

He takes b football players and makes them play at a higher grade for the majority of the season for his entire career 

 

He's not taking talent and screwing them

No dude, I am saying we are devoid of talent outside of like 2 guys. That's a major problem.

 

[Bob in STL]

I thought this game could be our first loss.  The Bills just didn’t have it tonight. The officiating was terrible and inconsistent but the Bills did it to themselves with 3 turnovers and 11 penalties (15 flags total). 
 

Credit the Pats* for being better prepared tonight and they made more big play and fewer mistakes. 

 

The defense played a good first half, but as usual, once the offense started scoring the Bills defense gave up more points.  Milano injury may have been a big key.   The secondary is certainly below average. 
 

The Bills had a chance to take a late lead but failed to make the needed plays, underscoring the mediocrity of their WR group along the way.  Seems like the WRs are never open.  
 

Allen can’t do it all every week.  
 

 

[Boatdrinks]

2 minutes ago, Johnnycage46 said:

 Never expected undefeated. But with the current state of the AFC, tonight was a must win in order to keep distance for the 1 seed. 

It was an important game for sure. Still sets up well for the Bills, they’re just not dominant enough to lead the AFC throughout the entire season.  Lots of football left to be played, but they did too many things outside their winning formula to notch the W.