Game week thread - Pats at Bills SNF

[Kirby Jackson]

1 hour ago, Boo Radley Boston said:

So, how much money did you wager on this game?

 

I knew what the odds were since Monday, but thanks for the facts.

Well apparently it was confusing. I have some action now at -8.5. It’s tied to a Round Robin as well (Cleveland ML, Denver ML, Giants/Saints O, Cowboys/Jets O).  I bet it straight as well. I’ll be making more bets tomorrow too. In terms of total investment, I don’t know where it’ll be but I put my money where my mouth is. I also have a substantial bet on the Bills to win the division. Don’t just talk about it, be about it

[Psautcsk]

9 hours ago, Buffalo Ballin said:

This game is gonna be a close tough battle. Patriots defense is pretty nice.

Living in New England (NH) I can't stand the thought of the Patriots being within a game of first place after this game. They have the Saints and Titans coming up and we have the Falcons and a bye. Patriots fans are insufferable and I can hear them now,  saying,  "wait till we play them again!" should they beat the Bills tomorrow. Bills need to win so I only have to hear the Celtics hype.

[sven233]

58 minutes ago, todd said:

lol at pats fans trying to say Maye is as good as Allen.

 

They don't realize the stats are only as close as they are because, outside of the Ravens game, Allen hasn't had to be Superman.  The run game has been dominant in these games and the Bills are loving this balanced offense.  I guess when you score 30+ a game and win by 2 scores (although the games have been closer than they should have been late) you can live with it.  But make no mistake about it......  the difference is that when Allen needs to put the cape on, he will and go for 375+ and 4TDs.  He has the extra gear that separates him from pretty much everyone else.

 

Now, I would make the argument that the Bills should let Allen be Allen more often than they do, especially in the middle of games where we have been stalling out with this balanced offense we are trying to run, push the issue and maybe go up 3 scores instead of letting these teams hang around, but that is a different discussion.  So many times I want them to go tempo to change things up when they get into an offensive funk and let Allen cook, but they have been reluctant to do that for whatever reason.  I'd make the argument we could be putting up 35+ per game if we let Allen loose every once in a while during the games, but that doesn't seem to be what they want to do for whatever reason.  

 

Anyway, Pats* fans seem to have forgotten since Brady left that there are levels to this and that when he needs to be great, Allen is on a tier all by himself.

Edited 4 hours ago by sven233

[eball]

9 hours ago, hondo in seattle said:

@PatsFanNH, for what it's worth, I appreciate you taking part in our discussion of the game.  It's nice to get another perspective, especially when I haven't watched a Pats game yet this year.

 

Kissass.

[Sierra Foothills]

On 10/3/2025 at 5:56 AM, Bruffalo said:

 

 

^^^^^^^^^^^^^  That's pretty much every week for some of the posters around here...

 

Regarding this game and both teams, I'm nearly blue in the face saying this about the Bills but it especially applies to the Patriots too, who have virtually an entirely new coaching staff and a substantially re-made roster...

 

We don't know who these teams are yet because it's week 4. We have a better idea of who the Bills are but their defense and the entire Patriots team are works in progress.

 

The Bills overall are much more established in their program and being at home and in prime time, I see the Bills covering the spread.

 

 

Edited 3 hours ago by Sierra Foothills

[finn]

45 minutes ago, Psautcsk said:

Living in New England (NH) I can't stand the thought of the Patriots being within a game of first place after this game. They have the Saints and Titans coming up and we have the Falcons and a bye. Patriots fans are insufferable and I can hear them now,  saying,  "wait till we play them again!" should they beat the Bills tomorrow. Bills need to win so I only have to hear the Celtics hype.

Same here. 30 years in New England and what feels like 30 years of Brady worship (and that is the right word) makes me want Patriots fans to suffer for decades. Too bad, because I like  May. I wish they had Watson instead. 

[finn]

44 minutes ago, sven233 said:

 

They don't realize the stats are only as close as they are because, outside of the Ravens game, Allen hasn't had to be Superman.  The run game has been dominant in these games and the Bills are loving this balanced offense.  I guess when you score 30+ a game and win by 2 scores (although the games have been closer than they should have been late) you can live with it.  But make no mistake about it......  the difference is that when Allen needs to put the cape on, he will and go for 375+ and 4TDs.  He has the extra gear that separates him from pretty much everyone else.

 

Now, I would make the argument that the Bills should let Allen be Allen more often than they do, especially in the middle of games where we have been stalling out with this balanced offense we are trying to run, push the issue and maybe go up 3 scores instead of letting these teams hang around, but that is a different discussion.  So many times I want them to go tempo to change things up when they get into an offensive funk and let Allen cook, but they have been reluctant to do that for whatever reason.  I'd make the argument we could be putting up 35+ per game if we let Allen loose every once in a while during the games, but that doesn't seem to be what they want to do for whatever reason.  

 

Anyway, Pats* fans seem to have forgotten since Brady left that there are levels to this and that when he needs to be great, Allen is on a tier all by himself.

Agree with all of this. At the risk of pointing out the obvious, I think Brady and McDermott don't unleash Allen because there is more risk involved. Yes, he will likely score touchdowns, but he might also turn it over, not because he's prone to (on the contrary) but because of the coverages they're seeing and his receivers inability to separate. Safer and arguably smarter to hand the ball off and keep the Super Man option in reserve. In other words, there's no guarantee it will get the results we want. 

[26TrapDraw]

1 hour ago, 50yrpatsfan said:

NE's putting up more than 17.

They might. But the Bills are winning this game. If you think that Maye and Allen are on the same “level” you and the rest of the haad ons in Boston are delusional. The Patriots haven’t won shyt. Or even come close. Come up and beat the Division champs in our house and then I’ll take them seriously.

but since they have a better chance of seeing Gawd Sunday night don’t cry later.

[TBBills Fan]

1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Well apparently it was confusing. I have some action now at -8.5. It’s tied to a Round Robin as well (Cleveland ML, Denver ML, Giants/Saints O, Cowboys/Jets O).  I bet it straight as well. I’ll be making more bets tomorrow too. In terms of total investment, I don’t know where it’ll be but I put my money where my mouth is. I also have a substantial bet on the Bills to win the division. Don’t just talk about it, be about it

You have high hopes for Gabriel?

 

I think Minnesota wins. They have been overseas for two weeks, and a 1st time starter is going against an aggressive defense that is great at showing different looks to confuse a QB

[Pokebball]

2 hours ago, todd said:

lol at pats fans trying to say Maye is as good as Allen.

Personally, I think it's awesome that Allen is the QB that other teams are using as their metric. I wouldn't want it any other way!

[muppy]

Fangirl perspective.

 

Going into Sundays game I would like to see a game with fewer penalties than last week. Control the lines of scrimmage

 

Easy Peasy right? Not really. Not in the NFL. As last week illustrated to me winning in the NFL is never a gimme and rarely easy.

 

I would love to see Keon Coleman get some quality looks and receptions

 

I would also love to see our TE's go off whichever Bill happens to get the ball from #17

 

On defense I would love to see guys step up that have been somewhat silent in flash stats (Epenesa , Groot Im looking at you)

 

Undefeated would be SWEET

 

GO BILLS

[hondo in seattle]

2 hours ago, eball said:

 

Kissass.

 

As someone who regrets missing the hippie era by just a tad, my philosophy is:

 

Build bridges, not walls,

Make love, not war.  

 

Kissing ass is better than kicking ass - except of course in war and football.  

[hondo in seattle]

4 hours ago, Boo Radley Boston said:

The numbers are not random. 

 

Frankly, I don't care about who the MVP is. I want Maye to win Super Bowls.

 

 

I gotta admit that this is an interesting comparison.  The numbers are pretty darn close.

 

But I'll add this about our guy.  He's quiet for parts of games when Cook is carrying the load or Brady is making dumbass calls.  And one of the reasons Cook is carrying the load is because teams are defending Josh first with 2-high shells and - often - a spy.

 

Yet despite teams being manically focused on stopping him, when Josh has to make a play to win a game, he does.  Some of the announcers like to say he puts on his Superman cape when he needs to.  He has the ability to will a team to victory.  The stats don't capture that.  

[NewEra]

33 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

As someone who regrets missing the hippie era by just a tad, my philosophy is:

 

Build bridges, not walls,

Make love, not war.  

 

Kissing ass is better than kicking ass - except of course in war and football.  

😉 

[No_Matter_What]

Did we elevate someone? I am not able to find it.

[TheWei44]

37 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

I gotta admit that this is an interesting comparison.  The numbers are pretty darn close.

 

But I'll add this about our guy.  He's quiet for parts of games when Cook is carrying the load or Brady is making dumbass calls.  And one of the reasons Cook is carrying the load is because teams are defending Josh first with 2-high shells and - often - a spy.

 

Yet despite teams being manically focused on stopping him, when Josh has to make a play to win a game, he does.  Some of the announcers like to say he puts on his Superman cape when he needs to.  He has the ability to will a team to victory.  The stats don't capture that.  

It also excludes number of sacks, and Maye has 2X Allen's IIRC.  

[BillsFan130]

4 minutes ago, No_Matter_What said:

Did we elevate someone? I am not able to find it.

I think it should come out later today around 5ish

[sven233]

2 hours ago, finn said:

Agree with all of this. At the risk of pointing out the obvious, I think Brady and McDermott don't unleash Allen because there is more risk involved. Yes, he will likely score touchdowns, but he might also turn it over, not because he's prone to (on the contrary) but because of the coverages they're seeing and his receivers inability to separate. Safer and arguably smarter to hand the ball off and keep the Super Man option in reserve. In other words, there's no guarantee it will get the results we want. 

 

Oh.....make no mistake about it.  I'm not saying they need to change their identity at all on offense.  What they are doing is working, and honestly, they are hard to stop.  But what I am saying is that there are times during games where they will go 3-4 possessions and get nothing out of them because defenses adjust to what they are doing earlier in games.  What I am saying is that at these times, change it up and get defenses back on their heels a bit and become less predictable.  Like I said....run a little tempo.  Maybe throw a bit more for a couple of drives.  Right now we are virtually 50-50.  I'm just saying if things are starting to stall, let Allen take control a bit and maybe go 65-35 for a bit and let Allen either air it out or take off if nothing's there.  Because you are passing more, doesn't necessarily mean you have to put the ball in danger.  I trust Alle to make the right decisions.  If he sees it, rip it.  If not, take off.  I just want those few drives a game that we have where we struggle to get a 1st down to start looking a little different.

 

As many of you know that follow my comments here, I have been virtually insufferable about asking Brady to run more play action over the years.  He has increased that usage a bit this year which is great, but I still want more.  Alen is just so god at it.  It works 90%+ of the time it seems.  No reason not to use it even more than we are so far.  But I do appreciate Brady finally using it more this year.

[BigAl2526]

2 hours ago, todd said:

lol at pats fans trying to say Maye is as good as Allen.

Who's to say what Maye's ceiling is?  He's not Josh Allen's equal right now.  Allen has proven himself in big time games.  This year, the Bills have scored 30 or more points in four straight games.  In New England's 2 losses, they scored a total of 3 touchdowns and 27 points.  Their wins were against Miami and Carolina.   Maye has not proven much beyond the notion that he is a bonified NFL QB.  I won't argue that he isn't.

[NewEra]

35 minutes ago, sven233 said:

 

As many of you know that follow my comments here, I have been virtually insufferable about asking Brady to run more play action over the years.  He has increased that usage a bit this year which is great, but I still want more.  Alen is just so god at it.  It works 90%+ of the time it seems.  No reason not to use it even more than we are so far.  But I do appreciate Brady finally using it more this year.

I forgot you posted it, maybe @Thurman#1or @Simon, but they said that Josh has stated that he doesn’t like to turn his back to the defense.  If this is true, it’s probably on Josh as to why we don’t run as much play action as we (as fans) would like.