Is Groot On The Team?

[HOUSE]

Joey Bosa will kick his ass if he doesn't help with the weekly chores 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

2 hours ago, Brand J said:

Tua was sacked 8 times in 2 games against the Colts and Pats and had MORE OL starters out this game. Only Bosa recorded a QB hit. Walker pressured a couple times as well, but overall the pass rush was anemic - even when Tua wasn’t getting the ball out fast. 

Felt like they were keepin a bunch of extra guys in to block and we were playin a bunch of contain in this one but I gotta rewatch to be sure.  

 

The discussion around injured olinemen always puzzles me a bit.  Guys forced into the lineup are gonna be at their absolute worst the game they are forced in and with more reps they pretty much always improve over time.  Communication/experience is at a premium with that group.   I never really got why people expect these guys to remain as terrible as they looked the game they were forced in 

[34-78-83]

3 hours ago, RunTheBall said:

The Cover 1 guys will tell us how great he is and we just don’t know how to watch film to see just how effective he really is.

 

Like they did when they ball washed Edmunds for years.

 

I’m not anti-Groot, but for a guy who’s best move is to set the edge he really blew it in the AFC Championship when he drove inside several times and Mahomes made him pay with a TD and number of first downs.

 

They are correct (the cover 1 guys) on Groot's play, at least through 2 games prior to last night. Contrary to popular belief, the cover 1 guys do actually call out poor play from lots of Bills players, but you'd actually have to watch to see that. Lots of parroting, and lots of comments from folks that probably should just reserve themselves to watching the guy with the ball in this thread, outside of a few like Simon and Happy days.

[FireChans]

3 hours ago, ddaryl said:

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/player/_/id/72410/greg-rousseau

He has a cap hit of 5.8 million this year, 12 million next year. In fact Epenesa makes more that Groot presently

Then in 2027 his cap hit will be over $20 million, with an out available in the offseason 2028

Groot is an edge setter and a lane disruptor, and not a sack master. By the time he is making $20 million plus he will be considered cheap when compared to other top pass rushers, plus he will be a candidate for a restrucutred contract.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/player/_/year/2025/position/ed/sort/cap_total



We do need to get more pressure on the opposing QB. Hopefully when our DL is healthy players come back from suspension as well as rookies stepping up can make that difference in the 2nd half of the season. 
 

I mean this is all correct, but that's not really fair play.

 

If you wanna say "Well Rousseau's cap hit is low the first two years, then we pay for it later" that's fine, but the fact of the matter is that we should be comparing apples to apples.

 

Micah Parsons' cap hit this year is $9M. His hit next year is $19M. Is Rousseau's contract still considered "cheap" when he costs only $12M less against the cap over the next two seasons?

[Process]

 

[26TrapDraw]

12 hours ago, uticaclub said:

Only had 5.5 sacks in the last 19!games of the year last year. He is who he is

so that gets you 80 million in this league? dayumm good work if you can get it.

[uticaclub]

4 minutes ago, 26TrapDraw said:

so that gets you 80 million in this league? dayumm good work if you can get it.

Genetic Lotto

[nedboy7]

1 hour ago, yall said:

AJE and Groot should be on the same pay scale.

 

$16.50 at McDonald's sounds about right to me.

You’re ok with them making more than you?  

[HerdMenatlity1]

3 minutes ago, 26TrapDraw said:

so that gets you 80 million in this league? dayumm good work if you can get it.

Yes, dayumm good work, IF YOU CAN GET IT. Go give it a shot and tell us how it worked out for ya. 

[KOKBILLS]

39 minutes ago, Brand J said:

Tua was sacked 8 times in 2 games against the Colts and Pats and had MORE OL starters out this game. Only Bosa recorded a QB hit. Walker pressured a couple times as well, but overall the pass rush was anemic - even when Tua wasn’t getting the ball out fast. 

Knowing this, and knowing we were at home...night game...crowd noise...Bosa had just gone insane vs the Jets... I thought we were going to have a BIG game rushing Tua. I did notice some double teams upfront last night on 3rd downs that bought Tua some time and allowed the breakdowns in the secondary, but no question we are getting next to nothing from Groot and Sanders... They are just not taking advantage of almost any opportunities when they get them. 

One thing I paid close attention to on the Cover 1 all-22 breakdown of the Baltimore game is how the Bills D and it's attacking design really only flourishes when players beat their blocks AND make the tackle/sack. The Bills are mostly getting blocked, and even when they are not they are missing too much...getting up field too far, bouncing off ball carriers... It's just such a mixed bag right now... 

[Warriorspikes51]

1 hour ago, Process said:

 

 

 

That is a very interesting wording from Sean.   Almost sounds like he wants Beane to find a veteran edge for the rotation?

 

Epenesa + Samuel for an Edge from a non-contender? 

Edited September 19 by Warriorspikes51

[paulmm3]

I hope this isn't another Albert Haynesworth case where he gets paid and then gets fat and stops caring. But yeah Rousseau has been invisible through three games.

[MPL]

According to PFF Rousseau, Bosa, and Jones all led the team in pass rush pressures with 4 a piece. Also, half of Tua's passes were thrown behind the line of scrimmage. Not saying Rousseau doesn't need to better, and the pass rush as a whole was disappointing last night, but do with that what you will. 

[balln]

3 minutes ago, MPL said:

According to PFF Rousseau, Bosa, and Jones all led the team in pass rush pressures with 4 a piece. Also, half of Tua's passes were thrown behind the line of scrimmage. Not saying Rousseau doesn't need to better, and the pass rush as a whole was disappointing last night, but do with that what you will. 

3rd and 4th down d horrible. And they had a lot of 3rd and longs / obvious passing situations. And still can’t bring down tua. 

[MPL]

11 minutes ago, balln said:

14 minutes ago, MPL said:

According to PFF Rousseau, Bosa, and Jones all led the team in pass rush pressures with 4 a piece. Also, half of Tua's passes were thrown behind the line of scrimmage. Not saying Rousseau doesn't need to better, and the pass rush as a whole was disappointing last night, but do with that what you will. 

3rd and 4th down d horrible. And they had a lot of 3rd and longs / obvious passing situations. And still can’t bring down tua. 

I wasn't trying to say the pass rush was good. Just saying that Rousseau had as many pressures as Bosa... according to PFF. 

[balln]

1 minute ago, MPL said:

I wasn't trying to say the pass rush was good. Just saying that Rousseau had as many pressures as Bosa... according to PFF. 

Yea I wasn’t coming down on you. But the pressures stat , for me, has to result in tangible outcomes - pressure downs get off the field. I’m not sure all “pressures” as a stat are created equal

[yall]

1 hour ago, nedboy7 said:

You’re ok with them making more than you?  

Coach seems to agree with me...

[ColoradoBills]

14 hours ago, qwksilver said:

Now that Kincaide is playing better I introduce Rousseau as TBD's new target!

 

It seems that Tre White is in the race with Groot.  Need a week or 2 more for this to resolve itself.

 

2 hours ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Feels like weve played a lot of contain so far this year and he’s doing his thankless job well.   The disconnect between fans and pff over groot will continue this week too haha with Miami you absolutely have to sell out to stop the wide runs and that seemed like the huge focus 

 

You stop that right now mister.

[Magox]

 

[YoloinOhio]

1 minute ago, Magox said: