Game Week thread - Bills at Jets

[Sierra Foothills]

50 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

Last year was the year of the wrist. This is the year of the groin!

 

I'm not sure I agree Bill.

 

Even when you lump pelvic discomfort with all of the groin injuries, it seems like spleen injuries still have the edge.

 

JMO.

 

[eball]

10 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

This has all the signs of a trap game. Bills just came off a very tough and emotional win. 

 

Every year…it never fails.  Repeat after me:  IN THE NFL THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A TRAP GAME.  Teams that are favored to win beat the teams they are playing at the same rate, whether they are coming off a “tough and emotional” win or whether they have an upcoming “big game” the following week.  Listen to the players and coaches!  They all say the same thing — it’s hard to win in the league.  Nobody takes anyone for granted and they are all just trying to “go 1-0” in the current week.

 

The notion of trap games and letdowns is a fan fallacy, at least in the NFL.

 

[Gregg]

I honestly think this will be the hardest game for the Bills until they start playing the top contenders. If the Bills can win this, they will probably go on a long winning streak. But most games at the Meadowlands the Bills usually find themselves in a battle. I do expect the Bills to destroy the Dolphins 4 days later after this game. The Bills can get two divisional wins over 4 days, but this one will be the harder one to win. IMHO.

[PaattMaann]

18 hours ago, finn said:

Can you describe the new scheme?

 

They will blitz more than previous Jets defense that relied on their front 4 for organic pressure.

Glenn loves man coverage, their DC Wilks prefers zone coverage, but they have said they are going to be a marriage of the two concepts. They are more aggressive than previous Jets defenses. 

[Shortchaz]

20 minutes ago, eball said:

 

Every year…it never fails.  Repeat after me:  IN THE NFL THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A TRAP GAME.  Teams that are favored to win beat the teams they are playing at the same rate, whether they are coming off a “tough and emotional” win or whether they have an upcoming “big game” the following week.  Listen to the players and coaches!  They all say the same thing — it’s hard to win in the league.  Nobody takes anyone for granted and they are all just trying to “go 1-0” in the current week.

 

The notion of trap games and letdowns is a fan fallacy, at least in the NFL.

 

This seems like an argument of definition 

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

It’s tough to assess how good the jets are after week 1.
 

They seemed to really manhandle the Steelers dline, so I think they will be pretty good at running the ball and protecting fields again against us, since I think our D is worse than the Steelers. 
 

but on defense, the Steelers were able to really decimate them in the passing game. That’s with Rodgers back there and no threat or a running game. I am not sure how their D can handle our O.

[eball]

I’m sorry if this comes across as a lecture, and it’s not directed at anyone specifically, but it is pretty useless to make broad assumptions about teams after week one — anecdotally referred to as “the biggest liar in the NFL.”  The first game is essentially the first time many starters have played together in a real football game in nearly a year.  For the Jets, it was the first game under new coordinators and a HC.  It’s the first game for rookies.  For the Bills, it was a game in which several new faces were integrated into the offense and defense and a 6th round rookie started at CB2!  We don’t know what we don’t know yet about these teams, aside from Josh Allen.

 

The only thing I’m certain of going into this game is that the Bills are a more established football team with the best player on the planet at QB.  Last week the Jets lost a game that by all accounts they should have won…that sounds to me more like their traditional m.o. than a sudden turnaround under Aaron Glenn and Justin Fields.

 

Let me see the Jets handle a Bills team with a proven track record before I believe they are a threat.

 

[SoTier]

1 hour ago, Gregg said:

I honestly think this will be the hardest game for the Bills until they start playing the top contenders. If the Bills can win this, they will probably go on a long winning streak. But most games at the Meadowlands the Bills usually find themselves in a battle. I do expect the Bills to destroy the Dolphins 4 days later after this game. The Bills can get two divisional wins over 4 days, but this one will be the harder one to win. IMHO.

 

If McDaniel gets axed during/after the Miami game, that might not be true.  If the Fins play as poorly as they did in the opener, they very well may have a new HC before Thursday.

[BillsFan130]

2 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

If McDaniel gets axed during/after the Miami game, that might not be true.  If the Fins play as poorly as they did in the opener, they very well may have a new HC before Thursday.

I think Mikey has two weeks. It's a short week on the road for them, so I can't see Miami firing him after Sunday.

 

But if they get crushed both games by New England and by the Bills?
 

Then on the long week is when I think they will make the change 

[eball]

1 hour ago, Gregg said:

I honestly think this will be the hardest game for the Bills until they start playing the top contenders. If the Bills can win this, they will probably go on a long winning streak. But most games at the Meadowlands the Bills usually find themselves in a battle. I do expect the Bills to destroy the Dolphins 4 days later after this game. The Bills can get two divisional wins over 4 days, but this one will be the harder one to win. IMHO.

 

Gregg, don't take this personally, but you are what I would call a worry wart.  As a poster you are more concerned with what other teams might do to the Bills than just about anyone.  That's fine and your prerogative, but it might be helpful occasionally to step back and think about what other teams are facing when they play Buffalo.  In just about every case, they've got a hell of a lot more to worry about than we do.

 

Cheers and Go Bills!

 

[Gregg]

5 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

If McDaniel gets axed during/after the Miami game, that might not be true.  If the Fins play as poorly as they did in the opener, they very well may have a new HC before Thursday.

 

I agree with BillsFan 130 as McDaniel probably gets the Pats and Bills games. If they lose both then the interim HC will have 10 days to get them ready for their next game.

[Gregg]

Just now, eball said:

 

Gregg, don't take this personally, but you are what I would call a worry wart.  As a poster you are more concerned with what other teams might do to the Bills than just about anyone.  That's fine and your prerogative, but it might be helpful occasionally to step back and think about what other teams are facing when they play Buffalo.  In just about every case, they've got a hell of a lot more to worry about than we do.

 

Cheers and Go Bills!

 

 

No offense taken. I actually think if the Bills win on Sunday, then they are set to go on a long winning streak. I know upsets happen and stuff like that, but the Bills might not lose until Nov if they get past this game. I live in NJ, so I have been to every Bills - Jets game in East Rutherford and most of them are usually close games even when the Bills have had the much better team. I expect another close game this Sunday.

[Buffalo Ballin]

I don't mean to derail this thread. Bills defense still bad as ever. Then again, it was Lamar Jackson and King Henry's Baltimore Ravens. They're extremely difficult to stop for any defense. We have to give our team a pass on that.

 

As for the Jets, we'll see.

 

Why is Green Bay seemingly over hyped this year?

 

 

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

12 hours ago, Ya Digg? said:

No such thing as a trap game 

When the Steelers 3rd string pummeled the Bledsoe & the Bills in the last week of the 2005 (?) season I started to believe in trap games. I can think of several instances where Buffalo came off a big win only to lose to an inferior opponent the following week.
 

And I don’t mean the Bills are going to lose. What I mean is people shouldn’t be surprised if the Jets can make it a game.  Divisional games are usually tough, but whatever. I’ll take the negative reaction. Funny bc I got a ton on the game day thread for being TOO positive about the chances of a comeback. Now I’m too negative.

 

Going into week 2 I feel like we are left with more questions than answers. The defensive effort was very concerning. McDermott better count his lucky stars that he has possibly the greatest offensive weapon in the history of pro football because i guarantee you this place would be as anti-McD as it’s been since “13 seconds.”
 

edit: Allowing 40 points at home in week 1 is inexcusable. Even to Baltimore. The defense looked lost out there up until the last 10 minutes of the game. McDermott/Babich did not have them prepared at all. 

Edited Thursday at 02:34 PM by ChronicAndKnuckles

[billsfan89]

This is a very important game in terms of building an early division lead and setting up the chase for the one seed. This is a tough division opponent away. Last years game at the Jets was a knuckleball 50/50 type game. This year the Bills need to avoid a close game late. Because after this game the Bills then his a soft stretch in the schedule where they basically play the Fins and Pats and the NFC South Minus Tampa until November. Getting a 2-0 start and ensuring that the Bills have a 2 game lead in the division over two opponents (Pats and Fins play each other this week) is very key. 

 

Also if the Bills hope to get the one seed they need to probably at a minimum hit 13 wins and possibly even 14 wins. So I think the Bills really do need to "get fat" on this early schedule.

[billsfan89]

12 minutes ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

When the Steelers 3rd string pummeled the Bledsoe & the Bills in the last week of the 2005 (?) season I started to believe in trap games. I can think of several instances where Buffalo came off a big win only to lose to an inferior opponent the following week.
 

And I don’t mean the Bills are going to lose. What I mean is people shouldn’t be surprised if the Jets can make it a game.  Divisional games are usually tough, but whatever. I’ll take the negative reaction. Funny bc I got a ton on the game day thread for being TOO positive about the chances of a comeback. Now I’m too negative.

 

Going into week 2 I feel like we are left with more questions than answers. The defensive effort was very concerning. McDermott better count his lucky stars that he has possibly the greatest offensive weapon in the history of pro football because i guarantee you this place would be as anti-McD as it’s been since “13 seconds.”
 

edit: Allowing 40 points at home in week 1 is inexcusable. Even to Baltimore. The defense looked lost out there up until the last 10 minutes of the game. McDermott/Babich did not have them prepared at all. 

 

Given how "funky" week 1's are since they shortened off-season activities and the pre-season being shorter I think week 1 games and to a lesser extend week 2 can be written off as teams shaking off rust. The Saints last year started out 2-0 and looked like world beaters and they quickly came down to Earth. 

 

40 points even with the clutch effort to close the game is not a good look for McD and the defense. But there's just not too much stock you can put into week 1 against an elite offense. I think the real test is going to be how does this team handle better offense in the regular season and how does McD adjust in the likely playoff rematch? 

 

Last year I thought McD coached a good game against the Ravens in the playoffs. He worked around the defenses limitations well. This year they attempted in the off-season to address those limitations in the draft and in free agency we will see how that plays out.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

28 minutes ago, Buffalo Ballin said:

I don't mean to derail this thread. Bills defense still bad as ever. Then again, it was Lamar Jackson and King Henry's Baltimore Ravens. They're extremely difficult to stop for any defense. We have to give our team a pass on that.

 

As for the Jets, we'll see.

 

Why is Green Bay seemingly over hyped this year?

 

 

I feel like the ravens offense was a much taller order to stop this time…we like to play a lot of man against them so the motions and such don’t cause personnel mismatches in the running game.  Zay flowers and Deandre Hopkins are way harder to man up than anyone they had in the playoff game and maybe Hairston over strong would’ve made a big difference there too.  
 

when you’re manning everyone up with a single high safety or doing some cover 0 stuff if Henry breaks the second level he’s gone so it’s very boom or bust.  Boom or bust against the ravens is probably fine though as you’d prefer a quick score to them picking up 5 yards a carry and just killing all the clock.  People are saying it’s same old mcd based on the result but it really is kinda the opposite philosophy than what we normally see from him against other teams imo lol

 

i know people are seein fields/hall as a ravens lite but I think the defensive approach is gonna be entirely different.  Against someone like fields you want to make him grind out drives

packers really are good but it’s kinda under the radar because two of the teams in their division were insanely good last year…they had 11 wins last year despite losing every close division game.  One of them Jordan love got knocked out of. I think the Vikings and lions got worse so it’ll probably be a little more clear the packers are good this time

 

Edited Thursday at 02:54 PM by Generic_Bills_Fan

[dollars 2 donuts]

 

 

Before Sunday's game we talked about how slow we are at starting the season, but we were so mesmerized by the win over the Ravens and Josh's Herculean play that we forgot about it.

 

We don't have to rehash it going back years when we can just go back to the previous season.  Against the Cardinals, with I believe two minutes left in the first half, we were down 17-3.  At that point it became, "let Josh be Josh," and we eked out a home opening win and were again amazed at the talent of our QB.

 

Full disclosure to what I have previously stated on this Board: I hate "Everybody Eats."  I don't view it as just a distribution of passes, but also an entire offensive philosophy of run/pass balance, as well as glorification of intermediate, screen and behind the LOS passes.

 

If you like it, fine.  However, I find it to be something to rest your laurels on against some mediocre teams when it gives you those almost easy 30 point games and the other team can only muster 17 or so.  I think it is misleading, especially when you try to impose it on, and against, serious contenders.

 

Now, though, people are unwilling to extrapolate Josh's MVP season and the success we had last year with middling talent from the offensive identity we've taken on.

 

Personally, Josh turning the ball over doesn't scare me.  Josh being an effective game manager when he can bring so much more to the table does.

 

He's 29 years old and maybe halfway through his career.  He is potentially THE GOAT.  They don't have to over think his talent or try to play peekaboo with it to the rest of the NFL.  They don't have to worry about his liabilities.

 

In summation, I want Josh to be Josh all the time.  I can live with that more than trailing at halftime to mediocre teams before pulling it out, or trailing late in games to powerhouses and praying for miracles.

 

As far as Sunday don't be impressed by the Jets, or worse yet don't make them impressive.  Once you step on the snake's neck from kickoff go ahead and bash its head in.

 

Go Bills!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited Thursday at 03:10 PM by dollars 2 donuts

[JerseyBills]

Only 16 snaps - 19% but still impressive 

Also interesting Knox outsnapped Kincaid by 5 snaps

This trio could be special 

 

 

[YattaOkasan]

3 hours ago, PaattMaann said:

 

They will blitz more than previous Jets defense that relied on their front 4 for organic pressure.

Glenn loves man coverage, their DC Wilks prefers zone coverage, but they have said they are going to be a marriage of the two concepts. They are more aggressive than previous Jets defenses. 

35.3% blitz.  you aint kidding (5th overall).  Also strangely all AFC East teams were in the top 5 for Blitz %.