Ideas at Safety?

[Dillenger4]

5 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

What are your thoughts on Safety going into Week 2?

 

Should we keep Bishop on the field and let him grow thru it?   

 

Damar?
 

Hancock? 

 

Poyer?    

Sign Peppers / Simmons?  

It was one game and we.... won. yes, Our D needs to ramp up but they will over a few games. Lots of rookies, new players, missing Hoecht, the fear of who is CB2 etc etc. No preseason work. It will take a few games. They will be fine. Gonna be a GREAT season.

[NickelCity]

I don't expect it will actually happen, but boy would I love to see Hancock get some snaps in place of Rapp. 

[Einstein's Dog]

12 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

I stand corrected in Simmons playing one game last year.  I think Beane has shown he keeps an eye on what is going on around the league, and that he and the coaching staff, together with his pro scouts, discuss guys constantly.  

Let me correct you again.  Simmons played in and started 16 games for Atlanta last year (at least according to Wikipedia and I believe them over what appears to be your random guesses of what happened).   

 

This angle you seem to keep pursuing - that Simmons has been out of the game, is rusty or hurt, is wrong.  The odds on reason for him not being with a team is price.

 

Beane should be keeping an eye on players, it's his job!  And right now the discussion is on how much of his job should be focused on finding better talent on the back end of this defense.  Much like last year when the board had a lot of discussion on what to do about WRs - and a lot of people were "oh, it's fine".  And then, surprise, a WR.  

 

 

[oldmanfan]

1 minute ago, Einstein's Dog said:

Let me correct you again.  Simmons played in and started 16 games for Atlanta last year (at least according to Wikipedia and I believe them over what appears to be your random guesses of what happened).   

 

This angle you seem to keep pursuing - that Simmons has been out of the game, is rusty or hurt, is wrong.  The odds on reason for him not being with a team is price.

 

Beane should be keeping an eye on players, it's his job!  And right now the discussion is on how much of his job should be focused on finding better talent on the back end of this defense.  Much like last year when the board had a lot of discussion on what to do about WRs - and a lot of people were "oh, it's fine".  And then, surprise, a WR.  

 

 

You are right about Simmons and I thank you for correcting me on that.  And if Beane and his staff and the coaches thought Simmons was the answer he’d be here.

[buffaloaggie]

Hancock can't get healthy soon enough. He stood out in preseason. 

[YattaOkasan]

15 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said:

Let me correct you again.  Simmons played in and started 16 games for Atlanta last year (at least according to Wikipedia and I believe them over what appears to be your random guesses of what happened).   

 

This angle you seem to keep pursuing - that Simmons has been out of the game, is rusty or hurt, is wrong.  The odds on reason for him not being with a team is price.

 

Beane should be keeping an eye on players, it's his job!  And right now the discussion is on how much of his job should be focused on finding better talent on the back end of this defense.  Much like last year when the board had a lot of discussion on what to do about WRs - and a lot of people were "oh, it's fine".  And then, surprise, a WR.  

 

 

Pro football reference has him with a 82 passer rating when targeted last year which also shows hes not washed at all.  

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

18 minutes ago, NickelCity said:

I don't expect it will actually happen, but boy would I love to see Hancock get some snaps in place of Rapp. 

It’ll happen sooner than you think if last night continues 😂 I don’t think a traffic cone would’ve been much worse than rapp but for some reason bishop is taking most of the heat 

[Einstein's Dog]

1 minute ago, oldmanfan said:

You are right about Simmons and I thank you for correcting me on that.  And if Beane and his staff and the coaches thought Simmons was the answer he’d be here.

I've got to say I disagree with that too.  It could all be about price. 

 

Beane wanted Cook but not at $15M per.  Beane may want Simmons but not at $5M.  And while risky, by waiting you have to figure that $5M tag drops.  And he will soon not be the only name S in the market.  Once the loser teams are established raiding those teams (like the WRs last year) becomes an option.

[Einstein's Dog]

14 minutes ago, YattaOkasan said:

Pro football reference has him with a 82 passer rating when targeted last year which also shows hes not washed at all.  

Simmons would be a nice get.

 

Then after the bye, you'd have Simmons integrated, the PED boys rotating, and Max and Tre healthy.  That's a much better on-paper defense.

[mikemac2001]

5 hours ago, Brandon said:

Let Bishop play through it for awhile and see if he improves.  The Ravens are probably their worst matchup and I don't think it's indicative of what to expect in an average week.  

I kinda agree with this as an entire unit 

 

first game with no real preseason game plans and going against the ravens is a terrible match up for us.

 

any other team I think the d plays better they are just so tough to matchup with and it attacks the bills weakness already. 
 

no real live action to henry full speed is tough 

[LABILLBACKER]

1 hour ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

If Strong locks down CB2.....could we consider Tre White playing centerfield?  

Maybe?... but he's become so injury prone, is he reliable?

[harmonkillebrew]

I think they need to evaluate the position each week for matchup. 

Bishop was a run game liability, but might be needed for his speed in other games.

Hamlin probably should have started.

Rapp is locked in, but looked horrible.

Sucks they didn't hit with Bishop in the 2nd

[Maine-iac]

I've been hoping they would experiment with Bishop at SS and Hancock at FS as Hancock has the nickel back experience.  Maybe Bishop would react and thump people a little better if he isn't coming from depth.

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

7 hours ago, Since1981 said:

I’m not a Hamlin fanboy, and he’s definitely not the solution at S. That said, he takes solid angles. At playoff, he’d end up clutching Henry’s leg like a toddler hanging on for dear life. Not exactly ideal. Still—he rarely gets flat-out cooked. Simmered, maybe, but never fully cooked.

Hamlin slows Henry down just enough for the rest of the defense to get there.

[Delete_Delete_Delete]

Might as well put Poyer back there for the time being. Washed Poyer still better than Hamlin…

[HappyDays]

5 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

All I see is TB get blown up and Henry is off to the races no stopping that.  

 

 

 

So to me this is a coaching problem. Our small MLB looks like he is trying to penetrate into the backfield instead of maintaining a gap, and immediately gets taken out of the play by a guy that probably weighs 200 more pounds than him. You've got Benford strafing right and towards the line as if he needs to play edge contain but Dorian Williams already has the edge. The job of the coaches is to instruct the players on how to execute against this play call. That didn't happen. Henry was gifted an easy wide open gap.

 

I really don't want to hear about personnel issues on the defense this year. I don't see that as a reasonable excuse for the massacre we watched last night. Over the last two offseasons we spent the vast majority of our resources on that side of the ball. The coaches need to make it work with this group.

[GaryPinC]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

 

So to me this is a coaching problem. Our small MLB looks like he is trying to penetrate into the backfield instead of maintaining a gap, and immediately gets taken out of the play by a guy that probably weighs 200 more pounds than him. You've got Benford strafing right and towards the line as if he needs to play edge contain but Dorian Williams already has the edge. The job of the coaches is to instruct the players on how to execute against this play call. That didn't happen. Henry was gifted an easy wide open gap.

 

I really don't want to hear about personnel issues on the defense this year. I don't see that as a reasonable excuse for the massacre we watched last night. Over the last two offseasons we spent the vast majority of our resources on that side of the ball. The coaches need to make it work with this group.

Agree about the personnel, but not about Bernard's play.  He did the right thing.  If he had stood in the gap like a D lineman he would have still been taken out by the center.  LB's job is to shoot those gaps and try and get to the RB before he gets up to speed, especially Derrick Henry.

 

It didn't help Baltimore already outnumbered our guys 5 to three as Bernard tried to slip by as guy #4.

[BuffaloRebound]

2 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

So to me this is a coaching problem. Our small MLB looks like he is trying to penetrate into the backfield instead of maintaining a gap, and immediately gets taken out of the play by a guy that probably weighs 200 more pounds than him. You've got Benford strafing right and towards the line as if he needs to play edge contain but Dorian Williams already has the edge. The job of the coaches is to instruct the players on how to execute against this play call. That didn't happen. Henry was gifted an easy wide open gap.

 

I really don't want to hear about personnel issues on the defense this year. I don't see that as a reasonable excuse for the massacre we watched last night. Over the last two offseasons we spent the vast majority of our resources on that side of the ball. The coaches need to make it work with this group.

Looked like Jones got moved so easily that the double-teaming O-Lineman was able to peel off and take out Bernard.  Combine that with Rapp running backwards at the snap even though there was no Receiver who released from LOS on his side of field.  Our 1 Tech got pushed into Rousseau, our LB’s are too small to stand up a block, and our safeties can easily be manipulated and are either too slow or not instinctive enough  to make plays.  

[Niagara Dude]

20 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

What are your thoughts on Safety going into Week 2?

 

Should we keep Bishop on the field and let him grow thru it?   

 

Damar?
 

Hancock? 

 

Poyer?    

Sign Peppers / Simmons?  

I would sign Pepper and move Poyer up to roster.  Unless your blind anyone can see the Bills have the worse set of safeties in the whole NFL

12 hours ago, harmonkillebrew said:

I think they need to evaluate the position each week for matchup. 

Bishop was a run game liability, but might be needed for his speed in other games.

Hamlin probably should have started.

Rapp is locked in, but looked horrible.

Sucks they didn't hit with Bishop in the 2nd

Beane has done horrible job replacing Poyer and Hyde with garbage,  even Rapp has no business starting

[eball]

The answer at safety is TIME.  Bishop needs reps to get comfortable.  I’m not predicting Bishop/Rapp will become some dynamic duo but they can be mid-tier and that is sufficient on this team.