Parsons traded to Green Bay, given $188 million contract

[NewEra]

4 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Get back to us in January 

If a team with +600 odds doesn’t win the Super Bowl, the coach is a loser.  Odds are….we won’t win the Super Bowl Ethan.  If we do win it, you’ll be still crying and whining for the next decade.  
 

Enjoy the season like most of us will!!  But we all know you won’t.  

Edited August 29 by NewEra

[PetermansRedemption]

15 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

Trade 2 firsts, Oliver and a bag of footballs for a premier sack manufacturer? Who's not signing up for that?

 

Could even cut the bag of footballs out and it’s still fair value. This trade was just a lesser Oliver and two late firsts. 

[uticaclub]

3 minutes ago, PetermansRedemption said:

Could even cut the bag of footballs out and it’s still fair value. This trade was just a lesser Oliver and two late firsts. 

Kenny Clark is a large run-stuffer, while Oliver is a quick penetrator. Both are DTs, but pretty much play a different position.

[Mikie2times]

10 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

I like that dudes comedy (Pack fan) but hearing him just talk shop makes me want to punch his face

[Gunvald's Husse]

7 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

I like that dudes comedy (Pack fan) but hearing him just talk shop makes me want to punch his face

Glad it is not just me. His "A fan's reaction to ..." and weekly round-up videos are great (sometimes, frankly, brilliant) but I have tried a few times to sit through his streams, both alone and with other podcasters, and have had to bail every time.

[RoscoeParrish]

1 hour ago, The Jokeman said:

Give me 16 better backup TEs better than Knox, if you can then I might believe our TEs are below average. 

He was set to hit it last offseason but the Chiefs re-signed him before hit the market. 

They extended him week 1 of 2023. He never came close to hitting FA.

 

which is the larger point. Chris Jones was never available to get. 
 

If your point is “I’d rather have Chris Jones than Micah Parsons,” my counterpoint is that I’d rather have 26 year old Aaron Donald riding a unicorn than either of them. But the choice was never Chris Jones vs Micah Parsons, the choice was what we have now vs Micah Parsons.

[Einstein]

1 hour ago, RoscoeParrish said:

When was the last time he hit FA?

 

Never. But that has nothing to do with what Shredder was saying. He was talking about the market as a whole.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

42 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

I like that dudes comedy (Pack fan) but hearing him just talk shop makes me want to punch his face

Average North Jersey type

 

[The Jokeman]

1 hour ago, uticaclub said:

I said “if Kincaid doesn’t develop.”

 

I think Knox will see more snaps at TE than Kincaid over the course of year & Knox is about a mid-tier TE. 

 

 

Even if Kincaid doesn't develop and is mid tier himself that gives us two average starters and Hawes was arguably the best blocking TE of this class and some feel best blocking prospect in ages that would put us at or about average. 

[Fan boy '92]

4 hours ago, BarleyNY said:

 

First, why isn’t our roster good enough to make a big move like this? I’d say it was a lack of elite, difference makers at premium positions - outside of Allen, obviously. My fix is to find some. Parsons certainly qualifies. Those elite players at premium positions will cost you 2 or 3 good players. Teams have got to find reasonable replacements in the draft, FA and via trade. This season the Bills chose to play things safe and keep the band together rather than take some risk and chase upside overall. I just don’t see how the current tack works out for us in January. 

Here me now believe me later, Micah Parsons will never win a super bowl. 

[julian]

If Manning comes out , I believe he will… the Titans will 100% trade out of #1 to slide down and still pick in top 10 while collecting a haul.

 

 This only happens if Cam Ward is their guy after this season and the Cowboys have a top 10 pick.

 

 This is very plausible IMHO.

[BillsShredder83]

17 minutes ago, julian said:

If Manning comes out , I believe he will… the Titans will 100% trade out of #1 to slide down and still pick in top 10 while collecting a haul.

 

 This only happens if Cam Ward is their guy after this season and the Cowboys have a top 10 pick.

 

 This is very plausible IMHO.

Based on? They've been saying his whole family, who has mentored him heavily are telling him take no shortcuts.  As of today hes started 2 total games since HS.  He sat there and ate his red-shirt, and sat there and watched Sarkasian let them blow a chance at a Natty, while Ewers imploded and he rode pine.  He never hit the transfer portal when he could've done so and not only started, but secured the biggest NIL bag to be had.

 

Itd seem incredibly short sided for him to rush his development IMO (and his HOF royalty football family).  S*** changes fast in college, but I just cannot see it

[TheFunPolice]

Cowboys won this trade. Parsons is great, no doubt, but this trade and contract are too much investment for a DE. 

 

Plus, the Packers waste talent and have an overrated coach. Sorry, but Lafleur's teams feast on the cupcake conference that is the NFC then get exposed by one of the 2-3 good teams in the conference once the playoffs arrive. Same story every single year. 

 

The Packers had 2 long HOF QB careers and have 3 SB appearances and 2 titles to show for it. That's Big Ben's career in Pittsburgh. And that was having to get by prime Manning, prime Brady and the Pats* dynasty, and the Ravens teams with Ray Lewis and Ed Reed. And the Steelers got there 3 times running that gauntlet. 

 

And we're told that coach (who was the HC for 2 of those 3 SBs) is overrated. Then what the heck is LaFleur? 

 

LaFleur had Rodgers for many of the best years of Aaron's career. Zero titles. Zero SB appearances. Nothing. Now Jordan Love is an all-time great QB according to Packers fans. 

 

Enjoy the show! I for one cannot stand the Packers and look forward to the meltdown that will happen when (not if) they fail to reach expectations like always. 

[Alphadawg7]

2023 - Cowboys had the NFL leading passer, the #1 offense in the NFL, the #5 Defense in the NFL, Micah Parsons (on his rookie deal), and the NFL league leader in Interceptions.  BUT - As soon as teams got ahead, they beat Dallas in embarrassing fashion and just neutralized the defense and Micah by running right at him (including the Bills).  

 

Micah is not worth $47M a season - he is an elite pass rusher, probably best pure rusher in the NFL.  But he is a liability the other half of the downs.  He got $7M more than Myles Garrett a few months after Myles got his record deal.  Thats is an insane jump for a guy who is without question not as good as Myles.  

 

Now imagine if Micah was making $47M in 2023 - what players would they have not been able to afford if he was making that in 2023?  In other words, that contract would have made that team worse that was already not good enough and exploitable on defense.  GB was able to make their cap work this year and only lost 1 player, although it was a 3x pro bowl DT.  I would say its a net gain though for GB this season, but that defense wasn't a "Micah" away from being elite either, especially when you factor in the loss of on the inside.  

 

But, IMHO, this puts GB in a win it all now position, because if GB doesn't prove to be good enough this season, they are now in a severely different cap situation moving forward and now have a hole at DT to fill and also lack 2 first round picks for inexpensive opportunities to add more talent to a tight cap.  If this roster can't get it done, improving it to get over humps gets harder now moving forward. 

 

This feels like a boom or bust year for GB IMHO - if it works, 100% worth it no matter what happens in the years after.  If it doesn't, it very well could be an anchor to their future.  It will be interesting to watch

[Julio Hopkins]

This feels like last year when the Yankees decided to pass on adding a lefty arm to reinforce the bullpen at the trade deadline.  Then they needed to get out Ohtani and Freeman in game 1 of the World Series.  Their only options being Tim Hill and Nestor Cortes who hadn't pitched in over a month.  They go with Cortes because they liked him more against Ohtani.  Freeman walks it off with a grand slam, the Yankees aren't close the rest of the series.  

 

At some point you have to go for the jugular.  

[Coach Tuesday]

40 minutes ago, julian said:

If Manning comes out , I believe he will… the Titans will 100% trade out of #1 to slide down and still pick in top 10 while collecting a haul.

 

 This only happens if Cam Ward is their guy after this season and the Cowboys have a top 10 pick.

 

 This is very plausible IMHO.

The Saints aren’t even going to win a game this year and his dad played for them.  It is ordained.

[julian]

16 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said:

Based on? They've been saying his whole family, who has mentored him heavily are telling him take no shortcuts.  As of today hes started 2 total games since HS.  He sat there and ate his red-shirt, and sat there and watched Sarkasian let them blow a chance at a Natty, while Ewers imploded and he rode pine.  He never hit the transfer portal when he could've done so and not only started, but secured the biggest NIL bag to be had.

 

Itd seem incredibly short sided for him to rush his development IMO (and his HOF royalty football family).  S*** changes fast in college, but I just cannot see it

He may or may not come out, my premise was based upon him doing so, if he does then the Cowboys are in great shape to land him if the Titans have the 1st pick.

 

 You don’t believe he’ll come out, that’s fine and you may be correct. 

1 minute ago, Coach Tuesday said:

The Saints aren’t even going to win a game this year and his dad played for them.  It is ordained.

lol that’s a strong possibility 

[Walking Tall]

49 minutes ago, julian said:

If Manning comes out , I believe he will… the Titans will 100% trade out of #1 to slide down and still pick in top 10 while collecting a haul.

 

 This only happens if Cam Ward is their guy after this season and the Cowboys have a top 10 pick.

 

 This is very plausible IMHO.

If Cam Ward works out, the Titans won’t be drafting #1. 

[Virgil]

In another reality, I'm curious how the Cowboys would have reacted to a trade package involving Kincaid, Cook, and one of our defensive lineman.  

[HomeskillitMoorman]

23 hours ago, Success said:

Reminds me of the Mets/Soto deal - great player, WAY too much money.

 

 

 

Totally disagree and think those are two way different scenarios. 

 

The Mets needed an elite hitter in the lineup. Teams in MLB rarely win championships without at least 1 elite hitter, many of them have 2. Soto hasn't had a typical Soto season but it's only year 1. 

 

There's also no salary cap in baseball so if you have an owner like Cohen who is willing to spend whatever, signing Soto doesn't come at the expense of sacrificing other parts of the team. 

 

Parsons has some weaknesses such as being able to be run at. Soto as an offensive player really doesn't have a weakness like that. I think if your D is solid against the run overall he does offer a top quality rusher but it's different than what you can do with Soto. You can walk him but that's still putting a baserunner on for good hitters behind him. 

 

Also Soto's still pretty young in baseball years and his skill set with a generational eye at the plate suggests he'll age well. With inflation and and higher salaries, that could also even not turn out to look like an overpay just like Bryce Harper's deal doesn't look like one anymore, in fact that looks like a really good deal now. 

 

Just totally different IMO.