Bills sign Jordan Poyer (to PS)

[4BillsintheBurgh]

9 minutes ago, GaryPinC said:

Wouldn't be surprised if it was for Hancock also, possibly more so for him.  It really is Rapp and not much else there right now.

Could be, just seems like Rapp and Hamlin should know the defense well enough to mentor the younger players. Not that they're athletically the best or the best players but they should be able to mentor. I get that the PS allows this type of move but it signifies some smoke from some type of issue for me.

[quincy]

We really need Bishop to show like he belongs this year as a starting safety, he has got to show something after Hyde being here for the playoffs and now getting in Poyer in for the whole of year two.

 

I wonder what will happen to Justin Simmons this year. 

 

 

[Steptide]

We're this bad at safety eh

[4BillsintheBurgh]

6 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

It’s not a schtick, it’s logic.  Poyer knows this defense extraordinarily well.  He can mentor a second year guy.  Unless you’re the type who thinks every second year guy should know all there is to know about football.  Which is of course ridiculous.

It's a similar crutch to try and understand why the team does things. It seems that the coaching staff does not trust Bishop and probably the rest of the safety room enough. Why else would he be here? There's been a whole off season for mentoring/learning. Not saying it's it's a death knell for Bishop but it's not ideal. We need him this year.

[wppete]

 

[sven233]

So much overreaction to this move here.  But, I have been here for very long time, so I am not surprised. 

 

Anyway, I am not seeing the downside here.  Is he washed?  Probably.  Will he play for us this year?  Probably not. 

 

What he can be for this team though is a mentor.  His physical skills may not be there anymore, but he is a true pro.  He knows how to study tape.  He knows where eyes need to be in all defenses.  At the very least, he is a guy that can help our young room be more prepared come game day. 

 

Worst case scenario?  We get riddled with injuries.  And let's face it.  The guys in the room are not exactly known for their durability.  In a pinch, he could absolutely step in and get you out of a game or 2 if needed.  Do you want him playing?  Absolutely not but he knows and understands the system better than everyone in that room and while is is severely limited physically at this point, he is smart enough to mask some of those deficiencies.

 

But yeah......we hope he never has to play and he can just be an asset in the room.  Quite honestly, all things considered even with him being a broken down version of his former self, I'd rather have him on the field than Hamlin.  But whatever.  Don't overreact guys.  Hopefully it never comes to him actually playing. 

[GunnerBill]

I loved JoPo. I do think he is likely done. But I think our safety room is trash. Wouldn't shock me if he ended up on the field at some point. 

[Logic]

I haven't read through the 11 pages of this thread because I don't hate myself, but...

Poyer, like Jordan Phillips and Dane Jackson, is almost certainly going to take up one of the six allotted veteran spots on the practice squad.

Using your six allotted veteran practice squad spots on players that know the system very well and can be "break glass in case of emergency" players while also being coaches on the field seems like a very reasonable use of those spots. 

People trying to act like Poyer will be starting week 1, running around this forum freaking out with their hair on fire, or behaving as if the Bills did anything other than sign a veteran player to their practice squad who can give them spot starts if necessary, are being predictably silly and reactionary.

Practice squad. Say it again with me: Practice squad. One more time: Practice squad.

Relax.

 

[NeverOutNick]

44 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

No.  No, he isn't.  I'm not saying Hamlin is great but he's serviceable, and Poyer just isn't.  His mind is willing but his body can't get him there.

 

It's like AJ Klein, when the Bills brought him in in 2020, he was 29 yrs old and after some teething pains when he took over for Milano he played well and even took home "defensive player of the week" honors.  But by 2022 he had fallen off considerably, and by 2023 at age 32 he was cooked.  He understood what he was seeing, he knew where he was supposed to be, he simply couldn't get there.

I’d rather have the old guy who doesn’t make the mental errors leaving corners on islands than the guy who is clueless and out of position all the time. 

[Beck Water]

47 minutes ago, 4BillsintheBurgh said:

This additional "help" for Bishop every year seems to be the new "Edmunds is only 21" schtick.

 

Edmunds, despite some of the views here, was a contributing player from his rookie year.  He wasn't the Luke Kuechly McDermott hoped for, but he was a capable NFL player.

 

A better analogy would be 2nd rounder Cody Ford, drafted as a RT.  He didn't hold his position down as a RT, so they kept moving him around the line hoping he'd be good enough somewhere until after 3 years, they gave up.  Or Kaiir Elam, who was hoped to be getting it after his 2nd year when he showed flashes, but sucked last season.

 

IMO, a justified criticism of Beane's personnel strategy isn't so much poor drafting, as it is sticking with a guy a year too long when he isn't playing up to expectations.  I guess you could refer to moving on late from a draft pick who doesn't pan out as a "type I error", and moving on froman actual capable player too early as a "type II error.  Beane and Co are 100% "type II averse" guys.  This may actually be McDermott - he's been quoted several times as saying players really take a step in their 3rd season.

 

The problem with that as a player development philosophy, is it basically assumes the team will only get 2 good years out of a 4 year contract.

 

8 minutes ago, NeverOutNick said:

I’d rather have the old guy who doesn’t make the mental errors leaving corners on islands than the guy who is clueless and out of position all the time. 

 

You Do You, Boo. 

No one on the field for the Bills is "out of position all the time".  The Bills 11th on points was their worst D since 2020.  You simply don't field a top-3rd D in the NFL with players who are "out of position all the time".  Are there mistakes, Sure, but the problem with a mentally quick guy who physically doesn't have it is he can understand where he should be, and be there, and still not close the deal.

Edited August 27 by Beck Water

[Gunsgoodtime]

18 minutes ago, Andrew Son said:

It’s crazy.

 

i had the same criticism when we signed Von.  We draft all these DE’s early- Groot, AJ, Boogie- and then have to go out and spend $100M on an old player to get any impact 

Me too.  The Von signing was an attempt to fix all the failed defensive draft picks and fa, and was yet another failure 

[Nephilim17]

I hear Henry Jones has been doing pilates twice a week these days. He could be an option, too.

[NeverOutNick]

In a perfect world I’d rather have the guy who wasn’t old and not clueless. Hopefully that guy is Hancock soon lol

[chris heff]

4 minutes ago, Steptide said:

We're this bad at safety eh

There are six spots on the PS for veterans, why not use a few of those on guys that know the system and can help younger players? Or that in case of an emergency and I mean emergency could be called up? The PS still has ten spots for rookies or second year players, that is enough. Did it cross your mind, that they like what they are seeing with some young guys, but feel they need to be coached up? I’ve read in this thread, why not just hire more coaches? Because sometimes being coached up by a guy who has recently been on the field is more effective. It is okay to have both coaches and veteran players teach young players.

[Beck Water]

21 minutes ago, 4BillsintheBurgh said:

It's a similar crutch to try and understand why the team does things. It seems that the coaching staff does not trust Bishop and probably the rest of the safety room enough. Why else would he be here? There's been a whole off season for mentoring/learning. Not saying it's it's a death knell for Bishop but it's not ideal. We need him this year.

 

With this, I can't argue.  Last year with Hyde, it was "OK, they're trying to jump-start Bishop."  But if you're continually jump starting your car, there's quite likely something wrong.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

10 minutes ago, Logic said:

People trying to act like Poyer will be starting week 1, running around this forum freaking out with their hair on fire, or behaving as if the Bills did anything other than sign a veteran player to their practice squad who can give them spot starts if necessary, are being predictably silly and reactionary.
 

All the brouhaha is just tension from fans, waiting for the first divisive tweet (or picture) from Ms. Bush. 😁

[BigDingus]

I'm not overreacting. They definitely don't WANT to have to use him. 

 

But I also don't think this shows much confidence in Bishop (or the safety position in general). If anything, maybe Poyer can come in & help teach these guys what an All Pro did to be successful. 

[That's No Moon]

29 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said:

One guy says "cooked" on Page 1...all the sheep follow in order.  I have read "he's cooked" 20+ times in this thread.

 

The more you say it doesn't make it so.

 

Great signing.

He was physically done three seasons ago, shouldn't have been brought back for his last year here two years ago, and was beyond terrible in Miami last year. Yup. Tremendous signing.

[Mailman]

13 minutes ago, Nephilim17 said:

I hear Henry Jones has been doing pilates twice a week these days. He could be an option, too.

Leonard Smith's knee finally healed up. Call stat!!

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

15 minutes ago, Nephilim17 said:

I hear Henry Jones has been doing pilates twice a week these days. He could be an option, too.

Nope.  Tai Chi. 😁