Bills cuts discussion

[SirAndrew]

1 hour ago, MJS said:

They can't vreak through the BILLS, much less the Chiefs...

QB is the most important sports position on the planet. All the talent in the world doesn’t matter when your QB chokes in the playoffs. Lamar Jackson hasn’t played well enough against the Chiefs or Bills in the postseason. He’s been the problem. 

Edited Tuesday at 10:31 PM by SirAndrew

[BillsFanForever19]

17 minutes ago, NeverOutNick said:

Man I wish someone could’ve beat out Hamlin or Lewis not to mention why did Dwayne Carter or Curtis Samuel stay on the squad when they’ve done absolutely nothing. 

 

Real simple on Samuel, unless someone wanted to trade for him he was going to be here. We'd be paying over 8.6m for him not to be here as a cut. People like to point to O.J. Howard being cut, cutting Samuel would be the monetary equivalent of cutting practically THREE O.J. Howard's. Yes, we'll every once in a Blue moon cut someone with some guaranteed money. But there's a limit to how much guaranteed money we're willing to throw away.

 

When you're on the hook for that much, you might as well try and get something out of him. And i'd rather take an injury risk Curtis Samuel over a K.J. Hamler or Laviska Shenault - especially when we're already paying for him.

 

Dewayne Carter was a Day 2 Pick last season. If you saw something in the player to spend a Round 3 Pick on them, you shouldn't give up on Day 2 Picks after only 1 season of development.

Edited Tuesday at 10:44 PM by BillsFanForever19

[Desert Bills Fan]

Surprises?
maybe:

WR: Shavers made the 53, and so did Moore and Samuel 

OL : Lundt made the 53, Gouraige did not (I thought they really liked him)

LB: Shaq Thompson made it. We didn’t see much of him…and  Spector was Waived/injured.

DB: kept Codrington - as a returner, because he stunk as a CB. And Dane Jackson was waived. And IR’ed Hairston. Is there another move coming?

S: cut Forrest, there was hope he was gonna be a savior…kept Hancock I didn’t notice him- maybe that is a good thing.
QB: cut both White AND Buechele…I guess that makes sense as only 1 goes to PS..

 

[Aussie Joe]

Samuel is a positive if he is healthy … might as well hope for the best now you have already guaranteed the money 

[NeverOutNick]

3 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Real simple on Samuel, unless someone wanted to trade for him he was going to be here. We'd be paying over 8.6m for him not to be here as a cut. People like to point to O.J. Howard being cut, cutting Samuel would be the monetary equivalent of cutting THREE O.J. Howard's.

 

When you're on the hook for that much, you might as well try and get something out of him. And i'd rather take an injury risk Curtis Samuel over a K.J. Hamler or Laviska Shenault - especially when we're already paying for him.

 

Dewayne Carter was a Day 2 Pick last season. If you saw something in the player to spend a Round 3 Pick on them, you shouldn't give up on Day 2 Picks after only 1 season of development.

Your thought process makes sense but I don’t agree with you on Samuel over Hamler. One’s an actual WR and the other is an injury prone gadget player. 
 

Carter I get that Beane doesn’t want to look bad when he passed on players like Troy Franklin but come on nut up and pick best player to make the squad. Lions cut Hooker after spending a round 3 pick on him. That’s what real GMs do, they admit when they make a mistake because it’s best for the team to have the best 53 on the roster. Not PR headliners like Hamlin. Go out and get a real safety

[DCofNC]

Where’s all the guys who argued Forrest was a starter?

[BillsFanForever19]

Just now, DCofNC said:

Where’s all the guys who argued Forrest was a starter?

 

Anyone who was saying that simply wanted anyone but Hamlin to make the roster and was over hyping them for that reason.

[Success]

1 minute ago, DCofNC said:

Where’s all the guys who argued Forrest was a starter?

 

Kind of a low impact call-out.....

 

[Herc11]

Why all the hate already for Carter? He was looking decent up until he got hurt last year. You gotta give him another year. This board would crucify McBeane if they cut him and he turns into a decent player. 

[MarlinTheMagician]

Gotta be happy for Shavers.  Maybe you can make some mismatches putting him and Keon both wide - if they have a short corner, he will have to play one of the tall guys!  I think Shavers could have some upside.

[folz]

1 hour ago, RoscoeParrish said:

Just to be clear, you aren’t including in the average the years they didn’t have firsts but you are including the firsts they traded for from other teams?

 

The Eagles only picked 13th in 2022 because they had previously acquired the Dolphins 15th pick and traded up from there.

 

Just feels like you are holding a savvy trade against them.

 

Anyway, since 17, it sounds like there basically hasn’t been a drafting gap between the two teams, but one team has played in 3 SBs and won two of them.

 

I'm not knocking Roseman for anything, and I'm not trying to say that Beane is a better overall GM than Roseman---as you said, you can't argue with 2 Super Bowl wins and 3 appearances. I was only saying that the Eagles are not a good comparison when it comes to assessing Beane's drafting, mainly because the Eagles have had more premium picks and a higher-overall draft position (specifically over the last 5 years, but I expanded it to 8 at your request). How they got those picks may indeed have been some savvy GM work (not unlike Beane moving up for Josh), but if you are trying to compare just drafted players to drafted players, who did better, well it's not an apples to apples comparison imo.

 

To be clearer with the data:

 

Over the last eight years (2017-2024):

The Eagles have had 58 total picks, with an average draft position of 124. They have had 23 picks in the first three rounds, with an average draft position of 48.

The Bills have had 61 total picks, with an average draft position of 136. They have had 24 picks in the first three rounds, with an average draft position of 57. 

 

                                      1st Round                                  2nd Round                                        3rd Round

Eagles picks    9, 10, 13, 14, 21, 22, 22, 30     37, 40, 43, 49, 51, 53, 53, 57              65, 66, 73, 83, 94, 99, 103

Bills picks        7, 9, 16, 23, 25, 27, 30            33, 37, 38, 54, 59, 60, 61, 63, 63        74, 86, 89, 91, 93, 95, 96, 96

 

In the first three rounds, the Eagles have picked above the Bills 17 of 24 times (71% of the time). [I bolded the picks where the Bills actually picked higher---and 4 of the 7 are at the end of the third round---and the other 3 picks are only separated by 1 or 2 spots]. If a GM could pick which set of draft picks he'd rather have, they are going to take the Eagles picks. We can argue the amount of an advantage it is, but it is an advantage.

 

And again, if you only look at the last 5 years, when the Eagles acquired most of the "impact" players that people refer to, rather than the last 8 years, the difference in draft position between the two teams is even more pronounced. As I noted before, last 5 years, the Bills highest draft pick was 23. The Eagles had 5 picks better than 23 in that span.

 

[Simon]

17 minutes ago, DCofNC said:

Where’s all the guys who argued Forrest was a starter?

 

In your head

[Avisan]

34 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

 

The room is Bishop, Hamlin, Hancock and Rapp.  The first 3 are #3's, not starters.  And one of them will be starting with Rapp.  Hancock has some potential, but is a rookie.  Bishop has not shown anything in real games.  Just too many ???.  

 

 

This is way too early to say on Bishop.  He's had a couple of injuries and one bad play in preseason when matched up 1v1 with a good slot corner.  I think he's looked solid and you can see the athleticism and tools the Bills were looking for when they drafted him, if he can keep reducing his mental errors he has all the talent to be a quality starting safety.

 

Y'all gotta learn to give players more time.  Bernard going into year 2 was a somewhat similar story, and he ended up being very good that year.

[Matt_In_NH]

55 minutes ago, boyst said:

Is shop the one who sounds like he's prediabetic with jowles or is that the other one?  I can't tell them apart.

The other one.  

[NeverOutNick]

47 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

 

The room is Bishop, Hamlin, Hancock and Rapp.  The first 3 are #3's, not starters.  And one of them will be starting with Rapp.  Hancock has some potential, but is a rookie.  Bishop has not shown anything in real games.  Just too many ???.  

 

 

I don’t love bishop but I do think he has the ability to be solid. Hancock may be a diamond in the rough, he seems cerebral too. Hamlin is a great kid but doesn’t belong on an NFL roster and hopefully we pick up someone else to take his backup role because I pray he doesn’t have to see the field this year for us 

[billsbackto81]

39 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

Samuel is a positive if he is healthy … might as well hope for the best now you have already guaranteed the money 

Agree. Wasn't much during the season but had some moments in the postseason. He can only help if healthy. 

[Lost]

49 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Real simple on Samuel, unless someone wanted to trade for him he was going to be here. We'd be paying over 8.6m for him not to be here as a cut. People like to point to O.J. Howard being cut, cutting Samuel would be the monetary equivalent of cutting practically THREE O.J. Howard's.

 

We paid like $31 Million for Diggs to not be here

[BillsFanForever19]

2 minutes ago, Lost said:

 

We paid like $31 Million for Diggs to not be here

 

There's 2 huge differences there:

 

1.) He became a Cancer for the team where we were left with pretty much no choice to remove him from the environment.

 

2.) We were able to trade him for a 2nd Round Pick.

 

If a team was willing to take on his contract and relieve us of over 7m in Cap Space, best believe we would have considered it. 

 

These two situations aren't remotely comparable.

[billybob71]

Grable was never gonna be able to beat out a vampire, poor guy didn't have a chance

[Lost]

4 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

There's 2 huge differences there:

 

1.) He became a Cancer for the team where we were left with pretty much no choice to remove him from the environment.

 

2.) We were able to trade him for a 2nd Round Pick.

 

If a team was willing to take on his contract and relieve us of over 7m in Cap Space, best believe we would have considered it. 

 

These two situations aren't remotely comparable.

 

What's the difference between paying $7 million for a guy who never sees the field or eating the cap and giving his roster spot to someone who might contribute.   The money is basically wasted either way.   I'm hoping the Bills see him being more of a contributor this year