Bills hosting Gabe Davis for visit

[Mikie2times]

17 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I don’t think he’ll be “robbing” any snaps from either of them.  
 

If everyone stays healthy, I think he’ll get some snaps as a blocker and on some deep routes out of the same formations to keep the D honest. jmo.  He’s a decent WR and the WRs at the bottom of our roster are barely that at the moment. 
 

I’ll be forever sad that we didn’t resign Mack.  I think what he did last year as a blocker and WR was one of the most under appreciated roles I can remember.  

Agree 100% on Mack. Gabe is a poor mans Mack, which is a bit wild to think. I used to think it was the other way around. 

[mannc]

7 hours ago, Process said:

Yea that was my first thought, Moore is getting cut

Or Samuel

[Cheektowaga Chad]

As long as Gabe Davis gets similar targets to the number he got after joe Brady took over play calling the last time he was a bill

 

I would be okay with signing him

[Rubes]

I really don't think we're signing Gabe. We're just checking him out for later when we need to sign someone due to injury, like Beane usually does.

 

[Delete_Delete_Delete]

I’d be interested to see some run designs with him on the field, along with Hawes and 6 OL… basically a better Mack Hollins, so yes?

[BuffaloBillsGospel2014]

We have a whole stable of #2 and #3 WRs, maybe a few of them combined will be like having a #1 guy.

[FLFan]

6 hours ago, Governor said:

Wasn’t he running wrong routes which led to numerous interceptions?

Yes.

6 hours ago, dorquemada said:

 

So why do you think the Bills are talking to him?  Rather obviously McD and Beane think the WR room is inadequate to the point that Davis is a viable option.  I mean, most of us here have been saying the WR room was lousy for months.

The Bills do not agree with you.  They talk to lots of players all. The time.  It makes sense they would check in with him.  It does not mean they think he is an upgrade to. What they have.  He is not.

6 hours ago, The Jokeman said:

He's a poor man's Mack Hollins minus ST play lol

Exactly. I thought Hollins was an upgrade last year.  

[quincy]

Gabe is only four months older than Tyrell Shavers, both born in 1999, April 1st for Gabe, August 18th for Tyrell - both are 26 years old. Moore is a year younger at 25. 

 

Generally people want Shavers to make the 53 to see whether he can do something, he keeps working hard in practice but hasn't got a full opportunity yet to be WR, mostly being a special teamer. 

 

Right now I'd assume that Moore is WR4 if the season started this Sunday given Samuel is seemingly injured, Shavers the default WR5 and Samuel probably on IR.  

 

Having played three extra seasons than Gabe, Samuel has less than 700 yards extra and has scored less touchdowns, 29 for Gabe versus 23 for Samuel.

 

For me there is not much upside in Samuel, age 29 and injured a lot and to my knowledge doesn not play ST but dead money comes into it. 

 

If Gabe does come back I am not going to dwell on the past, can he be a dependable WR4 this season? If he's back we just have to root for him to do well.  

 

 

[thewookie1]

I’d rather try Shavers first before returning to Davis. Davis plays well in the 3/4slot WR with a very straightforward route set. I’d fear the OC would go back to what he was doing his last year here which was a mess with route options which Allen and Davis never guessed the same thing. Plus we know what Davis is with his catching issues already and the fewer butterfingered receivers the better.

[boyst]

Been in a training semina all day.

 

Can we sign him but put him on PUP? He's still recovering, right?

[The Jokeman]

20 minutes ago, thewookie1 said:

I’d rather try Shavers first before returning to Davis. Davis plays well in the 3/4slot WR with a very straightforward route set. I’d fear the OC would go back to what he was doing his last year here which was a mess with route options which Allen and Davis never guessed the same thing. Plus we know what Davis is with his catching issues already and the fewer butterfingered receivers the better.

Shavers plays outside, seemingly has more big play potential and plays ST. Definitely a better depth option than Davis IMO.

[DrPJax]

11 hours ago, JerseyBills said:

They must be out on Moore,  I'd take him asap, great blocker and he'll be WR 4 or 5 , a role he excelled in 

     Yet Davis was not available much in his time in Jax and he still dropped catches he should have made.  This , imo , would be a failure on multiple levels  Should he have be resigned in the first place if you’re willing to bring him back , tho prob a cheaper price?  Given all the issues with receivers , and bad contracts Beane has done with WRs , should he perhaps apologize to the radio personalities and fans he got snippy with who were critical of him not drafting any wr other than a 7 th rounder who is already not making the team?  This is another example of Beane failing to provide Allen w adequate support, and being arrogant about his wr corp while they frankly have underperformed. 
 

     We were the only team shut out last week and it’s obvious our wr corp keeps faling to make plays.  Just compare Allen’s support wr corp to what Burrows has in Cincinnati; it’s startling!  We are so desperate now to consider bringing in Davis , known for critical drops and unavailability? That’s a joke Beane is totally responsible for. Compare our preseason to watching teams like the bengals and Washington, or even Chicago.  It’s the quality of individual performances by Bills players that’s is just frankly poor quality to the eye test , below the quality of other teams backups. Again , our o was THE ONLY TEAM SHUT OUT THIS WEEK. Even tho the score or w/ l means nothing , there is a bigger picture of or wr corp dropping balls , unavailability with multiple guys , and lack of playmaking. Backups on every other team at least allowed their offenses to score. I know our starters should be adequate , but there is no promise year to year. Every year we have stretches of WRs unavailable to injury , so backups matter. 
 

     I can’t believe they want to look at Davis but not utilize a guy with potential like shavers who has been consistent this year. If they sign davis rather than roster shavers , this would be the first time I would begin to lose faith in McD and Beane ,,repeating the same things that they failed to reach the sb in the past.   Beans signings like Samuel’s , Moore just look lackluster  ; hollins proved to be a good addition but they let him end up in New England.   Scores in preseason may mean nothing , but you can judge the talent of backups compared to other teams backups. We have looked fundamentally bad and imo , we have played some of the worst football of all teams in the two games so far.
     It’s fair to have opinions on the quality of the backup players , given this teams injury history come playoff time, given this is supposedly a SB competing roster. Revising Davis is a failure of beanes process , including not addressing that position earlier in the draft.  We were the ONLY TEAM shutout , so it’s fair to say there is honest room for concern and so far we have no proof the o will continue to be productive. They better be as this d has shown no solutions to last years 3 rd down or long yardage d failures.  Thats not overreacting, it reacting to the talent level observed in actual competition. 

 

     THE STARTERS are great. Yet they are never available 100% of the time , excluding Allen. The entire roster matters. The ravens will be a big challenge as will a 17 game schedule. We need to get the one seed.  I’m not sure I feel confident this roster as it is now looking will have enough talent. Mcd 7 playoff wins , Allen 6 playoff wins , both with no SB  appearances. The process may not be ultimately working. 

Edited Wednesday at 12:11 AM by DrPJax

[Aussie Joe]

10 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

Shavers plays outside, seemingly has more big play potential and plays ST. Definitely a better depth option than Davis IMO.

so I don’t get why they would want Davis then , or do they plan on having both on the 53?  They must know what Davis has to offer better than anyone else…

[3rdand12]

2 hours ago, NewEra said:

I don’t think he’ll be “robbing” any snaps from either of them.  
 

If everyone stays healthy, I think he’ll get some snaps as a blocker and on some deep routes out of the same formations to keep the D honest. jmo.  He’s a decent WR and the WRs at the bottom of our roster are barely that at the moment. 
 

I’ll be forever sad that we didn’t resign Mack.  I think what he did last year as a blocker and WR was one of the most under appreciated roles I can remember.  

The Hollins thing still mystifies me.

He and Josh seemed on the same page.

 

On the Fence about Gabe

But it is really about his health. has he struggled with injury more recently I thought ?

[NewEra]

Just now, 3rdand12 said:

The Hollins thing still mystifies me.

He and Josh seemed on the same page.

 

On the Fence about Gabe

But it is really about his health. has he struggled with injury more recently I thought ?

He’s struggled with foot injuries his entire career

[3rdand12]

1 hour ago, BuffaloBillsGospel2014 said:

We have a whole stable of #2 and #3 WRs, maybe a few of them combined will be like having a #1 guy.

So we are keeping 7 wrs  lol

[JerseyBills]

24 minutes ago, DrPJax said:

     Yet Davis was not available much in his time in Jax and he still dropped catches he should have made.  This , imo , would be a failure on multiple levels  Should he have be resigned in the first place if you’re willing to bring him back , tho prob a cheaper price?  Given all the issues with receivers , and bad contracts Beane has done with WRs , should he perhaps apologize to the radio personalities and fans he got snippy with who were critical of him not drafting any wr other than a 7 th rounder who is already not making the team?  This is another example of Beane failing to provide Allen w adequate support, and being arrogant about his wr corp while they frankly have underperformed. 
 

     We were the only team shut out last week and it’s obvious our wr corp keeps faling to make plays.  Just compare Allen’s support wr corp to what Burrows has in Cincinnati; it’s startling!  We are so desperate now to consider bringing in Davis , known for critical drops and unavailability? That’s a joke Beane is totally responsible for. Compare our preseason to watching teams like the bengals and Washington, or even Chicago.  It’s the quality of individual performances by Bills players that’s is just frankly poor quality to the eye test , below the quality of other teams backups. Again , our o was THE ONLY TEAM SHUT OUT THIS WEEK. Even tho the score or w/ l means nothing , there is a bigger picture of or wr corp dropping balls , unavailability with multiple guys , and lack of playmaking. Backups on every other team at least allowed their offenses to score. I know our starters should be adequate , but there is no promise year to year. Every year we have stretches of WRs unavailable to injury , so backups matter. 
 

     I can’t believe they want to look at Davis but not utilize a guy with potential like shavers who has been consistent this year. If they sign davis rather than roster shavers , this would be the first time I would begin to lose faith in McD and Beane ,,repeating the same things that they failed to reach the sb in the past.   Beans signings like Samuel’s , Moore just look lackluster  ; hollins proved to be a good addition but they let him end up in New England.   Scores in preseason may mean nothing , but you can judge the talent of backups compared to other teams backups. We have looked fundamentally bad and imo , we have played some of the worst football of all teams in the two games so far.
     It’s fair to have opinions on the quality of the backup players , given this teams injury history come playoff time, given this is supposedly a SB competing roster. Revising Davis is a failure of beanes process , including not addressing that position earlier in the draft.  We were the ONLY TEAM shutout , so it’s fair to say there is honest room for concern and so far we have no proof the o will continue to be productive. They better be as this d has shown no solutions to last years 3 rd down or long yardage d failures.  Thats not overreacting, it reacting to the talent level observed in actual competition. 

 

     THE STARTERS are great. Yet they are never available 100% of the time , excluding Allen. The entire roster matters. The ravens will be a big challenge as will a 17 game schedule. We need to get the one seed.  I’m not sure I feel confident this roster as it is now looking will have enough talent. Mcd 7 playoff wins , Allen 6 playoff wins , both most with no SB  appearances. The process may not be ultimately working. 

We also didn't start our top 4 WR , our top 5 OL and our topc2 TE , while our opponents starters were on the field 

 

We gave Josh an elite OL , 1st rd TE and WR , elite run game ... we were the 2nd highest scoring team last year but yea , ultimately,  we have to win an AFC title at minimum this year , we should get rid of McD , I don't want to be sitting here in 10 years and asking ' What If ' and I've been one of the biggest McDermott homers on this board 

 

Edited Tuesday at 10:27 PM by JerseyBills

[3rdand12]

Just now, NewEra said:

He’s struggled with foot injuries his entire career

I recall his issues in Buffalo last year he was with Bills.

 

Thanks

[JP51]

2 hours ago, mannc said:

Or Samuel

If we could get out from that contract I agree but we would literally need to restructure a deal just to get rid of him or find savings another way

[BillsFanForever19]

4 hours ago, 3rdand12 said:

The Hollins thing still mystifies me.

He and Josh seemed on the same page.

 

On the Fence about Gabe

But it is really about his health. has he struggled with injury more recently I thought ?

 

It doesn't mystify me in the slightest.

 

Mack Hollins was never supposed to be relied on as heavily as he was. It was just a matter of Keon Coleman not being ready for primetime out of the gate, Keon dealing with injuries, and Curtis Samuel being hampered for the majority of the year with injuries. And ultimately, his even being here had to do with what we could afford at the time.

 

Hollins was always brought in to be mainly a Blocker and Special Teams ace. He wasn't someone in their long term plans as a WR. Extenuating circumstances and him overachieving led to a bigger role and more production than expected. 

 

Even then, his abilities and what he did last season are greatly exaggerated by Bills fans. In 20 games and 15 of those him starting, he put up 482 yards and 6 TD's. That's a lot more than was expected of him. But that's still not great numbers. If you can do better than that (and we could this offseason), you absolutely should.

 

When the time came that we could do more at the position, you want to have someone more talented there than Mack Hollins playing as much as he was. And as likeable as Hollins is as a character, Josh Palmer is world's more talented as a WR. 

 

We signed Mack Hollins to a 1 year 2.6m contract with 1.1m guaranteed. The Patriots signed him to a 2 year 8.4m contract with 3.5m guaranteed. That's a massive pay raise and a longer term contract. And that kind of contract means a decent role in the WR room. He may even start opposite Diggs.

 

But we were already looking to upgrade from him. If Mack wanted to sign on for another 1 year deal with a slight pay increase and a role more in line with our original plans where he's not used as much as a WR, I'm sure they'd have brought him back. We were never going to match the kind of money and the kind of role NE was offering. And that was the right call for both Mack and the Bills. 

Edited Wednesday at 02:36 AM by BillsFanForever19