Perspective on the Bills from Eagles fan site.

[JP51]

They may be right if Bosa and White and a healthy Milano (oxymoron I know)  and the entire draft class that seemingly was geared to addressing the defensive issues fails... and it could... Bosa and Milano could be oft injured, White could be a shell, and we could get little to no impact out of the DL we drafted and Hairston could continue to struggle as some have reported... if this is the case, they are not wrong... run back the defensive performance that we had last year or something similar then I do not at all see a way into the big game....  but to say we havent addressed it or at least focused on it I dont think is accurate... we will advance in the playoffs to the level they have achieved improvement on Defense.. IMO, Offense is gonna offense is gonna offense, Josh is gonna Josh... that is going to carry the day into the playoffs... but he needs some support to win it all...  

 

If we get a little luck and drafted well... winning it all based on the improvement is absolutely in play....  to further the optimism... even if we don't this year and the draft class grows and develops out of their rookie year because we hit on a few... to me the future is even brighter as you shed dead cap space and aging veteran contracts...  that are replaced with young starters on rookie deals.. you stay relevant...  

 

Bottom line, who knows... but I am ok with our approach this year... time will tell... and fortunes hopefully fall our way and they are wrong... but to me to dismiss their thoughts as not valid, well... lets see... 

[Mikie2times]

15 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

What is surprising about good offensive teams struggling against good defensive teams?     Moreover, it's unlikely that the Bills would have given the Eagles as many chances to score as the Chiefs did in the first half.   Aside from 2 TOs, including a pick six, the Chiefs had a bunch of 3-and-outs early on.   

 

Nothing is surprising. The Eagles were a complete team and the best in the NFL. People around here are mistaken if they think if we just get past the Chiefs somehow we will be Super Bowl winners. Our offense is still incredibly dependent on Allen, we still haven't shown the clutch playoff gene, Allen can still get sugar high. Assuming our offense is going to juggernaut in that spot and save the day is a HUGE assumption, one I don't agree with, and if it doesn't the game looks like the first Baltimore game fast. 

Edited Monday at 01:34 PM by Mikie2times

[JP51]

4 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

Nothing is surprising. The Eagles were a complete team and the best in the NFL. People around here are mistaken if they think if we just get past the Chiefs somehow we will be Super Bowl winners. Our offense is still incredibly dependent on Allen, we still haven't shown the clutch playoff gene, Allen can still get sugar high. Assuming our offense is going to juggernaut in that sport is a HUGE assumption, one I don't agree with, and if it doesn't the game looks like the first Baltimore game. 

100% this^ ...... the offense will juggernaut... through some games especially in the regular season but absolutely cannot be expected to consistently do that in the playoffs against that level of competition...  they need help... that simple. 

Edited Monday at 01:36 PM by JP51

[pennstate10]

13 hours ago, PonyBoy said:

You have to be in it to win it...

But the Eagles would have abused the Bills if they made the SB last year. 

 

The Eagles front 4 was brutal, the Bills drafted to address this for sure. Hopefully they hit sooner than later.

Not fair to put this pressure on a rookie draft, it's a start 🤞

 

Actually, Bills didn’t draft a single player to address the Eagles front 4. 
 

I agree that the Eagles front 4 won the game for them. But two of their major contributors are gone. 

[BarleyNY]

1 hour ago, Gregg said:

 

 Beane did a lot to try and improve the defense this offseason. We will see if those moves pay off or not.

Exactly. So many fans get excited about every draft pick and year after year assume many will make significant contributions. I’m not sure how they miss how rare that is - especially when teams are without a high first round pick. It would not be difficult to find year old posts predicting that Coleman, Bishop and Carter would vastly improve our passing game and defense. That certainly wasn’t the case. I hope our 2025 rookies all hit big, but assuming big contributions from the class - especially in year 1 - is not realistic. An Eagle (or any other) fan assuming that none make a big difference this season is simply paying attention to the odds. 

[Logic]

It comes down to this:

Do you believe that the Bills' problem are deep and systemic, and no amount of personnel turnover will fix them? 

- or -

Do you believe that the Bills' formula is good enough to get them to the doorstep of the Super Bowl every year, and they keep being just a play or two away from getting there?

If you believe the former, then you probably agree with this article. If you believe the latter, then you probably don't agree with the article. If you believe the former, you likely want some combination of Beane and McDermott gone, and you want a shiny new head coach and/or GM. If you believe the latter, you just keep trying to add talent and "keep trying to kick the door down", as one NFL executive put it to Beane last year.

Which side are you on? That's the big question.

Edited Monday at 02:16 PM by Logic

[PromoTheRobot]

10 minutes ago, Logic said:

It comes down to this:

Do you believe that the Bills' problem are deep and systemic, and no amount of personnel turnover will fix them? 

- or -

Do you believe that the Bills' formula is good enough to get them to the doorstep of the Super Bowl every year, and they keep being just a play or two away from getting there?

If you believe the former, then you probably agree with this article. If you believe the latter, then you probably don't agree with the article. If you believe the former, you likely want some combination of Beane and McDermott gone, and you want a shiny new head coach and/or GM. If you believe the latter, you just keep trying to add talent and "keep trying to kick the door down", as one NFL executive put it to Beane last year.

Which side are you on? That's the big question.

 

I want to trade what we have for magic beans. They're magic!

Edited Monday at 02:26 PM by PromoTheRobot

[kitchen sink]

My hope is that the Eagles organization has the same view as this fan site about the Bills (same for all the other teams in the NFL), but I highly doubt it. 

 

I note this as the other teams know much better than any fan how good the Bills are. 

 

The reason for this is as the original poster alluded the Bills were a play or two (or a call or two) away from the Super Bowl last year (and possibly the last four years). 

 

As such, the changes the Bills made this year to address the two main areas of concern, namely the defensive line and some wide receivers that are good at man-to-man separation, could very likely make the Bills the team to beat in the NFL. 

 

 

[GunnerBill]

43 minutes ago, Logic said:

It comes down to this:

Do you believe that the Bills' problem are deep and systemic, and no amount of personnel turnover will fix them? 

- or -

Do you believe that the Bills' formula is good enough to get them to the doorstep of the Super Bowl every year, and they keep being just a play or two away from getting there?

If you believe the former, then you probably agree with this article. If you believe the latter, then you probably don't agree with the article. If you believe the former, you likely want some combination of Beane and McDermott gone, and you want a shiny new head coach and/or GM. If you believe the latter, you just keep trying to add talent and "keep trying to kick the door down", as one NFL executive put it to Beane last year.

Which side are you on? That's the big question.

 

I believe the latter but still think there is some merit to the opinion in the article. The Bills have again focussed their offseason effort on the Dline. That is something they have tried a few times without it paying off. Will it this time? Who knows?

[BillsShredder83]

17 hours ago, BigAl2526 said:

The Bills thru the eyes of an Eagles fan site

 

SB Nation is the parent organization of Buffalo Rumblings, a web site cited from time to time here at TBD.  They have fan run sites for all NFL teams.  This is an article looking at the Bills, one of the Eagles' opponents in the 2025 season.  I thought it was interesting.  Essentially, they believe that Buffalo did precious little to change the team after yet again failing to surpass the Chiefs in the playoffs.   The is a reference to the old adage about the definition of insanity "doing the same thing over and expecting different results.  No mentioned by name, the article says Buffalo brought in old injured veterans (Tre White, and Joe Bosa) and "warm bodies" (Josh Palmer and Elijah Moore?) at WR.  No mention is made of Buffalo's focus on defense in the draft.  

 

So, are the authors right - Buffalo is destined for another playoff run that will again fall short, or are they underestimating the potential effect that newcomers could have on the team?

 

My own perspective is that Buffalo's near misses in its attempts to reach the Super Bowl are not a reason to go into a full scale rebuild.  The relatively minor retooling that the Bills have done is due in part to salary cap constraints and an effort to preserve the team's long term outlook, rather that "blowing the wad" on a one-time effort to get over the hump.  I think there is still reason to believe that small changes could be enough to give Buffalo the improvements they need to not only get to the Super Bowl, but to win it.  They were not that far off.

No kidding LOL holy hell, anybody thinking that needs a new brain (not at OP, as i didnt think you were implying we did).

 

The media acts like the only way to get better is to sign the top sexy FA's, or trade up to the top of first round..... thats the stuff that gets clicks on articles so of course its what the media dwells on.  I  DO wish this offseason we had addressed WR with more urgency, but I generally liked the moves we made acknowledging they were 2nd tier signings.

 

Our biggest progress came via the draft.  Is it going to be enough to beat the Chiefs?  This draft for 2025 alone, I don't think so.  Rookies acclimate slowly in Buffalo, especially on the defensive side, as history has shown.  Can this be different?  Its possible, but I wouldnt count on rookies to be the difference to get the job done alone.

 

IF we get over the KC hump this year, its going to be because our 2nd & 3rd year players collectively take a giant step forward, or maybe 1 or 2 become a rising star out of nowhere (a guy can wish).  

[jethro_tull]

The Bills will be picked by most to fall short- until they don't. 

Prognosticating is mostly based on track record and does not take into account any attempts at improvement.   I like their chances personally.    

[SCBills]

I’ve seen a few sites listing the Bills as a Top 5 DL entering this year.

 

Thats obviously very dependent upon Sanders, Jackson and Bosa as guys who could potentially join Oliver & Rousseau as high end DL players but the depth, especially once Hoecht & Ogunjobi come off suspension, is Eagles like from last year. 
 

They added better CB depth and drafted a RD1 Corner… Safety and Linebacker, mostly the same, but entering training camp healthy.

 

On Offense they were elite on the OL, elite at QB, above average at RB, awaiting Kincaid making a jump to see a similar above average group at TE and then improved at WR.

 

The article referenced seems strange when the Defense has been overhauled to the point we may see 5 new DL heavy in the rotation, a new CB2 and, for all intention.. a new Safety. 
 

Aside from going out and getting a player like Garrett or Crosby.. who were never actually available .. the Bills probably did as much as possible to improve the floor and ceiling of a team that made the AFCCG without mortgaging the future to a ridiculous extent. 
 

Edited Monday at 04:39 PM by SCBills

[BuffaloBillsGospel2014]

I don’t care what anyone says, it’s almost criminal at this point the lack of WR help for Allen. I can’t think of a worse WR core in the entire league than this 1. Although I do like the addition of Bosa I’m predicting he misses at least 5 games, that would mean we’re back to the same inept DL as last year until Hoecht/the DT return from suspension. 

[Bockeye]

6 hours ago, Augie said:

 

Why would you assume any of that? The first 3 guys in the 2024 draft got hurt (Keon and Carter showed flashes pre-injury), the 4th contributed and there is other talent being developed. The 2025 class has yet to play a down.  Did I miss the sarcasm font? 

Sorry, my bad, I was being sarcastic.  Agree with everything you state above.  It would be crazy to think we aren’t a better team this year than last.  

[uticaclub]

5 hours ago, Gregg said:

 

 Beane did a lot to try and improve the defense this offseason. We will see if those moves pay off or not.

Two players are returning from PED suspensions, Joey Bosa and a rookie class that seems to be over-relied upon, which typically isn't a recipe for success. Our biggest issue is the lack of development among the defensive linemen we've recently drafted. Players like Oliver, Epenesa, and Groot have the potential to be productive but haven't shown significant improvement since their rookie seasons.

Edited Monday at 05:37 PM by uticaclub

[2020 Our Year For Sure]

59 minutes ago, BuffaloBillsGospel2014 said:

I don’t care what anyone says, it’s almost criminal at this point the lack of WR help for Allen. 

I totally agree.

This is why Beane and McDermott suck IMO.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

Bills got younger on the DL.  They should be better. They have major question marks in the defensive backfield at CB#2 and both safeties, but they have options there.  

WR group has a few question marks as well.

 

This whole off-season may have had a different vibe if Andrews catches that 2 pt conversion. Same goes for if Kincaid doesn't drop that final pass. 

 

 

 

[BuffaloBillsGospel2014]

11 minutes ago, 2020 Our Year For Sure said:

I totally agree.

This is why Beane and McDermott suck IMO.

That’s not my opinion but I get those who think that. I just feel like they put too much on Josh with these lower tier WR and it really shows in the playoffs. 

Edited Monday at 05:49 PM by BuffaloBillsGospel2014

[Shaw66]

3 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

I want to trade what we have for magic beans. They're magic!

You want to trade Beane's magic for magic beans.

[SCBills]

1 hour ago, BuffaloBillsGospel2014 said:

I don’t care what anyone says, it’s almost criminal at this point the lack of WR help for Allen. I can’t think of a worse WR core in the entire league than this 1. Although I do like the addition of Bosa I’m predicting he misses at least 5 games, that would mean we’re back to the same inept DL as last year until Hoecht/the DT return from suspension. 

Not sure I agree, as I think the depth of this WR room makes it better than one would believe without a true #1, maybe not even a true #2… but Curtis Samuel and Elijah Moore as your 4/5 is pretty deep.  
 

That said.. it’s currently not a room that scares anyone without Josh Allen at QB but this room is better than last years room.  
 

Not sure if that’s good or if it’s just sad.