Perspective on the Bills from Eagles fan site.

[Snappysnackcakes]

I’m very curious to see how the Iggles react to Brandon Graham retiring - meaning who’s gonna keep Jalen out of trouble. The kid has been compared to Jerome Brown (I see why) and he also likes to do stupid stuff while driving. Just a thought. I can’t hate the Iggles, best friend is a lifelong fan and writer for the team. 

[BillytheKid]

20 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

The Eagles were 3rd in EPA defense Overall, 2nd vs the Rush last year. Baltimore was one sport worse vs the the run and 11th overall. Eagles dropped 37 on us the year prior with a less productive offense and a better Bills defense. They had the 4th worst defense in football that year. We have shown no history of playing up in weight class in the postseason. I don't think it would be close. 

I disagree.

 

The Bills would have played the Eagles a lot closer than the Chiefs did. The Eagles defense wouldn’t have stopped the Bills offense. The Bills offense was number 1 in EPA last year. Nobody in the NFL stopped them last year once they got Cooper at Wide Receiver and everyone was healthy. 

 

The Chiefs offense overall sucked last year. The Bills would have scored plenty on the Eagles no matter how good their defense was. The Bills offense scored on everyone.

 

The problem would have been the Buffalo defense. The Eagles would have scored also. So it would have come down to which defense could get one more stop than the other and that most likely would have been the Eagles. 
 

Also the Bills didn’t turn the ball over last year at all. The Chiefs had two costly turnovers to start the game which put them behind. 
 

That wouldn’t have happened most likley to the Bills since they didn’t turn the ball over and the Bills offensive line was far superior to KC’s O-line last year. 
 

Would have been a one score game either way. The difference in the Eagles game vs KC compared to the Bills is that their d-line was more capable of hurting KC’s crappy O-line and Buffalo’s d-line wasn’t. 

[Victory Formation]

I don’t think these guys have one iota of insight into this Bills team. I think it’s very likely that we win a few Super Bowls over the next 5 or so years. Maybe we become a dynasty team even.

[Bockeye]

Assuming our 2024 draft class is a complete wash and they don’t take a step forward as well as Kincaid not progressing from his 2024 injury, and absolutely none of our rookies contributing….I think the Philly fan is correct. 

[Mikie2times]

34 minutes ago, BillytheKid said:

I disagree.

 

The Bills would have played the Eagles a lot closer than the Chiefs did. The Eagles defense wouldn’t have stopped the Bills offense. The Bills offense was number 1 in EPA last year. Nobody in the NFL stopped them last year once they got Cooper at Wide Receiver and everyone was healthy. 

 

The Chiefs offense overall sucked last year. The Bills would have scored plenty on the Eagles no matter how good their defense was. The Bills offense scored on everyone.

 

The problem would have been the Buffalo defense. The Eagles would have scored also. So it would have come down to which defense could get one more stop than the other and that most likely would have been the Eagles. 
 

Also the Bills didn’t turn the ball over last year at all. The Chiefs had two costly turnovers to start the game which put them behind. 
 

That wouldn’t have happened most likley to the Bills since they didn’t turn the ball over and the Bills offensive line was far superior to KC’s O-line last year. 
 

Would have been a one score game either way. The difference in the Eagles game vs KC compared to the Bills is that their d-line was more capable of hurting KC’s crappy O-line and Buffalo’s d-line wasn’t. 

We weren’t exactly juggernauts vs the better defenses. Denver held us to 13 until the end of the 3rd quarter when Allen connected with Johnson on the improbable 4th down.  We scored 10 against Baltimore the first game and 6 in the 2nd half of the playoff game. Cooper was basically invisible in the playoffs. What other top 10 EPA defenses did we play last year? Houston? That didn’t go well. Detroit? (The same Detroit that allowed Washington to drop 50?).

 

Offense has turtled in big games before. We can virtually guarantee the Eagles would drop 35 on us. But absolutely no guarantee Buffalo can produce against the higher end playoff squads in that moment.  Philly was considerably better than everybody else and we couldn’t even get past the team they blew out of the building.

Edited Monday at 03:44 AM by Mikie2times

[BigAl2526]

4 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

The Bills brought in so much DL help that's SOMEONE is going to make a splash.  This defense is going to be a lot better. 

What the Bills did not do this off season is make a big splash roster move.  I don't think they needed to, but I think that's probably how some people measure the prospects for improvement a team might have

[dave mcbride]

3 hours ago, Mikie2times said:

The Eagles were 3rd in EPA defense Overall, 2nd vs the Rush last year. Baltimore was one sport worse vs the the run and 11th overall. Eagles dropped 37 on us the year prior with a less productive offense and a better Bills defense. They had the 4th worst defense in football that year. We have shown no history of playing up in weight class in the postseason. I don't think it would be close. 

Not saying the eagles’ D wasn’t good, but this doesn't account for change over time. The ravens’ D was the best D in the league in second half of the season.

Edited Monday at 05:47 AM by dave mcbride

[GunnerBill]

I think where I agree is the Bills have pursued the same "pour resources in the defensive line" strategy multiple times under Beane's leadership. This is at least the THIRD major re-tooling of that group of his GMship (and you might even argue the 4th). 

 

I would submit that the others have failed because many of those big investments have not worked out as intended for one reason or another. Murphy, Star, Addison, AJE, Boogie, Settle, Jefferson, Von Miller etc...

 

Whereas basically the only investments in the secondary came in the draft (though granted, one was our first round pick) and some bottom end FA safeties and at receiver two mid to lower end FAs. 

 

In that sense, I see the point. This is the Bills doing the same as they have done before. I am very hopeful on Sanders and optimistic for Jackson. But let's see. 

[Augie]

7 hours ago, Bockeye said:

Assuming our 2024 draft class is a complete wash and they don’t take a step forward as well as Kincaid not progressing from his 2024 injury, and absolutely none of our rookies contributing….I think the Philly fan is correct. 

 

Why would you assume any of that? The first 3 guys in the 2024 draft got hurt (Keon and Carter showed flashes pre-injury), the 4th contributed and there is other talent being developed. The 2025 class has yet to play a down.  Did I miss the sarcasm font? 

[uticaclub]

Nothing changes if nothing changes

[HOUSE]

This seems pretty rude 

 

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Edited Monday at 01:46 PM by HOUSE

[Gregg]

51 minutes ago, uticaclub said:

Nothing changes if nothing changes

 

 Beane did a lot to try and improve the defense this offseason. We will see if those moves pay off or not.

[HereComesTheReignAgain]

Anyone who states "the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results" instantly loses any credibility.  That is not the definition of insanity, it is a quote that gets erroneously credited to Einstein.  Do people that say this honestly believe that is the definition of insanity?!

 

* Sorry to go off topic, but that is huge pet peeve of mine. 

 

** &%@? the eagles and their uninformed fans! 

[JerseyBills]

9 hours ago, billsfan89 said:

Not only was the defensive line massively improved I would also say at corner there was significant investment. 

Absolutely.  Look at the Chiefs game for example , our 2 starting outside CBs when Benford went down aren't on the team anymore , shoot Douglas is still a FA! 

Tre and even Dane are upgrades , I'd rather had them in that game and 2 rookies. Also S help 

2 rookies made a massive impact in Phillies secondary last year 

I love this new look DL as well 

[Mikie2times]

7 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

Not saying the eagles’ D wasn’t good, but this doesn't account for change over time. The ravens’ D was the best D in the league in second half of the season.

An we wouldn't have won a shootout or even been competitive in a shootout with Baltimore. 

[Buffalo Boy]

13 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

The Bills brought in so much DL help that's SOMEONE is going to make a splash.  This defense is going to be a lot better. 

Just like past recent history🤷‍♂️

13 hours ago, boyst said:

I could make the argument that he is right, and it would be easy to make and shored up by the fact that it was a coin flip that determined 1 Chiefs win, poor calls on another, and a missed FG for another. The Bills are on the cusp of beating the Chiefs with exactly what they've had and done the last 4-5 years.

 

So, his point doesn't really strike home like he would like when you look at the reality of those outcomes 

Scoreboard

and something about hand grenades

[BuffaloBillyG]

14 hours ago, BigAl2526 said:

The Bills thru the eyes of an Eagles fan site

 

SB Nation is the parent organization of Buffalo Rumblings, a web site cited from time to time here at TBD.  They have fan run sites for all NFL teams.  This is an article looking at the Bills, one of the Eagles' opponents in the 2025 season.  I thought it was interesting.  Essentially, they believe that Buffalo did precious little to change the team after yet again failing to surpass the Chiefs in the playoffs.   The is a reference to the old adage about the definition of insanity "doing the same thing over and expecting different results.  No mentioned by name, the article says Buffalo brought in old injured veterans (Tre White, and Joe Bosa) and "warm bodies" (Josh Palmer and Elijah Moore?) at WR.  No mention is made of Buffalo's focus on defense in the draft.  

 

So, are the authors right - Buffalo is destined for another playoff run that will again fall short, or are they underestimating the potential effect that newcomers could have on the team?

 

My own perspective is that Buffalo's near misses in its attempts to reach the Super Bowl are not a reason to go into a full scale rebuild.  The relatively minor retooling that the Bills have done is due in part to salary cap constraints and an effort to preserve the team's long term outlook, rather that "blowing the wad" on a one-time effort to get over the hump.  I think there is still reason to believe that small changes could be enough to give Buffalo the improvements they need to not only get to the Super Bowl, but to win it.  They were not that far off.

I mean, statistically speaking the author has a better chance of being right than wrong. 32 teams and only 1 can win it all. I could write the same article about a good number of teams and have a lot to brag about at the end of the year.

 

But the Bills should be exactly where they should be at the end of the year. One of a handful of teams that have a shot to win it all come winter. As long as they are healthy, it's the Bills, Chiefs and Ravens in the AFC. Whichever team has to only play one of the other 2 has the best shot IMO.

[Don Otreply]

Not what one would call an in-depth article, 

[SoTier]

 

13 hours ago, PonyBoy said:

You have to be in it to win it...

But the Eagles would have abused the Bills if they made the SB last year. 

 

The Eagles front 4 was brutal, the Bills drafted to address this for sure. Hopefully they hit sooner than later.

Not fair to put this pressure on a rookie draft, it's a start 🤞

 

 

The Super Bowl was a "perfect storm" for the Eagles where they caught a team with a struggling OL, a future first ballot HOF HC fooled by their offensive game plan, and a KC team that got rattled early and never recovered its poise until the Eagles were on their 2nd and 3rd stringers.  That's a prescription for a blow-out.  

 

I think that Allen behind the Bills OL would have made significantly more positive plays and fewer TOs than Mahomes which would have slowed down the Philly steam roller.  I don't think the Bills would have beat the Eagles, but the score would have been much closer.

 

9 hours ago, Mikie2times said:

We weren’t exactly juggernauts vs the better defenses. Denver held us to 13 until the end of the 3rd quarter when Allen connected with Johnson on the improbable 4th down.  We scored 10 against Baltimore the first game and 6 in the 2nd half of the playoff game. Cooper was basically invisible in the playoffs. What other top 10 EPA defenses did we play last year? Houston? That didn’t go well. Detroit? (The same Detroit that allowed Washington to drop 50?).

 

Offense has turtled in big games before. We can virtually guarantee the Eagles would drop 35 on us. But absolutely no guarantee Buffalo can produce against the higher end playoff squads in that moment.  Philly was considerably better than everybody else and we couldn’t even get past the team they blew out of the building.

 

What is surprising about good offensive teams struggling against good defensive teams?     Moreover, it's unlikely that the Bills would have given the Eagles as many chances to score as the Chiefs did in the first half.   Aside from 2 TOs, including a pick six, the Chiefs had a bunch of 3-and-outs early on.   

 

 

 

[Dillenger4]

9 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

I mean, statistically speaking the author has a better chance of being right than wrong. 32 teams and only 1 can win it all. I could write the same article about a good number of teams and have a lot to brag about at the end of the year.

 

But the Bills should be exactly where they should be at the end of the year. One of a handful of teams that have a shot to win it all come winter. As long as they are healthy, it's the Bills, Chiefs and Ravens in the AFC. Whichever team has to only play one of the other 2 has the best shot IMO.

This sums it up perfectly.

And other teams are making moves like ours too with draft picks and mediocre FA's that they "hope" on. It will be another tough season. Just hope our newcomers can play hard and add some sort of impact.