Ross Tucker interview of Michael Hoecht

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43 minutes ago, mushypeaches said:

I like Ross Tucker, but you could play a very short-lasting drinking game centered around his complete over-reliance on the word "really"

 

46 minutes ago, Fleezoid said:

Ross Tucker always sounds drunk to me. 

🤔... is it possible such a drinking game already exists?

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

36 minutes ago, MiracleAtRich1393 said:

I played pickup pickleball last night with a totally random guy who jumped in and completely schooled me & my friends. I made a passing joke like "I'm getting old" at the end (I'm 41) and he went on a rant about how he just turned 60 and me and my friends all need to get on testosterone supplements, he started when he was 45 and wished he'd done it sooner. Like he would not let it go, he was adamant that we do it. Honestly it was a great advertisement for it, the guy was absolutely shredded and looked as young or younger than me. It was pretty eye opening not gonna lie.

pretty interesting. I am late 40s now, and am in the gym 5 days per week, and so would love to see those gains! 
 

But I think the concern with any of that is once you start taking all that testosterone, your body stops making it naturally, and you have to stay on it. That is a scary proposition to me (in addition to side effects more generally).

[Mr. WEO]

55 minutes ago, MJS said:

Based on what evidence? People say this all the time but just say "trust me, bro". It isn't the 80s and 90s anymore. These guys get busted and suspended today for a huge list of random substances.

 

There's no significant penalty--most of these guess only miss games at the beginning of the season and then are allowed to play in the playoffs (not so in MLB).  No one cares.  Players union and owners are incentivized to break these rules or look the other way.

 

 

[K-9]

52 minutes ago, mushypeaches said:

I like Ross Tucker, but you could play a very short-lasting drinking game centered around his complete over-reliance on the word "really"

Really?

[dave mcbride]

1 hour ago, MJS said:

Based on what evidence? People say this all the time but just say "trust me, bro". It isn't the 80s and 90s anymore. These guys get busted and suspended today for a huge list of random substances.

The NFL is completely lax on testing for HGH because they know if they were strict about it and players stopped taking it, a very large number of players on every team would be listed as "out/doubtful" every week. HGH quickly heals soft muscle tears, which players at this level get ALL of the time given how fast, big, and violent the people lining up against them are.

Edited 22 hours ago by dave mcbride

[MJS]

28 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

There's no significant penalty--most of these guess only miss games at the beginning of the season and then are allowed to play in the playoffs (not so in MLB).  No one cares.  Players union and owners are incentivized to break these rules or look the other way.

This is an opinion based on no evidence, though. Just assumptions.

16 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

The NFL is completely lax on testing for HGH because they know if they were strict about it and players stopped taking it, a very large number of players on every team would be listed as "out/doubtful" every week. HGH quickly heals soft muscle tears, which players at this level get ALL of the time given how fast, big, and violent the people lining up against them are.

Based on what evidence are they not strict about it? Players get suspended if they test positive.

[FLFan]

1 hour ago, MJS said:

Based on what evidence? People say this all the time but just say "trust me, bro". It isn't the 80s and 90s anymore. These guys get busted and suspended today for a huge list of random substances.

They also know when the tests are going to be if they have not previously tested positive and what the banned substances are.  It can be managed so as not to get suspended which is what they do.  Sometimes, they get something they were not expecting which leads to a positive result.  

[Malazan]

If a league wants to really compete with the NFL, they should go full mutant league football. Don't test for anything, let players take what they want.. let them get cybernetic limbs.. let them do whatever they want..

[EasternOHBillsFan]

It's not like he's on the pink powder, yo...

 

[Bob Chandler's Hands]

21 minutes ago, Malazan said:

If a league wants to really compete with the NFL, they should go full mutant league football. Don't test for anything, let players take what they want.. let them get cybernetic limbs.. let them do whatever they want..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAdG-iTilWU

 

 

Make this happen!

Edited 21 hours ago by Bob Chandler's Hands

[MarlinTheMagician]

35 minutes ago, Malazan said:

If a league wants to really compete with the NFL, they should go full mutant league football. Don't test for anything, let players take what they want.. let them get cybernetic limbs.. let them do whatever they want..

Kind of like it.  Guarantees a level playing field and rewards ingenuity.

[dave mcbride]

1 hour ago, MJS said:

This is an opinion based on no evidence, though. Just assumptions.

Based on what evidence are they not strict about it? Players get suspended if they test positive.

Look, if you believe that HGH use isn't rampant in the NFL, that's fine. It obviously is and no one really talks about (players or league) because it's in no one's interest to do so. But both the league and the players need it to keep the multi-billion dollar entertainment machine up and running.

[MJS]

10 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Look, if you believe that HGH use isn't rampant in the NFL, that's fine. It obviously is and no one really talks about (players or league) because it's in no one's interest to do so. But both the league and the players need it to keep the multi-billion dollar entertainment machine up and running.

If nobody talks about it, how do you know?

[Special K]

3 hours ago, MJS said:

Based on what evidence? People say this all the time but just say "trust me, bro". It isn't the 80s and 90s anymore. These guys get busted and suspended today for a huge list of random substances.

 

I think the drugs are always ahead of the tests.

 

I was watching a documentary about Ben Johnson's positive steroid test in the 1988 Olympics.

 

A doctor picked 9 random "clean" blood samples across all sports in the 1988 Olympics, and tested them using 1992 testing specifications, and 8 of the 9 samples came back as "positive" for steroids.

 

Just shows that the drug makers are unfortunately always ahead of the drug enforcers.

[BillsShredder83]

 

2 hours ago, MJS said:

Based on what evidence? People say this all the time but just say "trust me, bro". It isn't the 80s and 90s anymore. These guys get busted and suspended today for a huge list of random substances.

Cmon bro dont be naive.  these guys all always blame it on some 'tainted' supplement.  if this was true you'd see these companies going belly up OR ATLEAST shelling out settlements.  Literally not one time have we seen that that I can remember.

 

You're living in fairy tale land if you believe that guys whose lifelong dream is to be in the NFL, will give that up because theyre 40 time is .05 slower than the rest of the class.

Or if you think in an industry where we regularly see 8-9 digit contracts handed out, that nobody will take a single risk to help their career, legacy, or lifetime financial stability (for them and their kids) out.

 

How many PED tests do we see people pop yearly in the NFL? 3? 5? LOL.  How about college? Any?  So the entire sport of football is clean from high school to the pros?

 

Survey's conducted in the USA found over 8% of men ages 18-25 reported using anabolic steroids (not even including SARM's or Research Chemicals)... but out of all players on NFL 53 man rosters (1,696 total), 3-5 a year use PED's.  Hell 10 players popping (weve never seen that) would still only be .5%

 

These players have 6figure - 9figure incomes, and have the easiest access of all.  Meanwhile any 14yr old with $100 can get anabolics delivered to their doorstep from the internet in 3-5 days. LOL!  It's way crazier to suggest what you're suggesting, than to say the NFL is full of geared-up meatheads.... and the game is better for it.  Want to see a clean game won 9 - 7 ?  Go to a peewee game, but like it or not, anabolics are prevalent in HS all the way up to pro and semi-pro

[BillsShredder83]

3 hours ago, MiracleAtRich1393 said:

I played pickup pickleball last night with a totally random guy who jumped in and completely schooled me & my friends. I made a passing joke like "I'm getting old" at the end (I'm 41) and he went on a rant about how he just turned 60 and me and my friends all need to get on testosterone supplements, he started when he was 45 and wished he'd done it sooner. Like he would not let it go, he was adamant that we do it. Honestly it was a great advertisement for it, the guy was absolutely shredded and looked as young or younger than me. It was pretty eye opening not gonna lie.

When he said supplements, he meant TRT lol  there are no supplements that work.  If you have the health insurance to jump on TRT, the guy isnt wrong!!  Living below your potential quality of life, because grampa used to say "rOgEr MaRis WaS tHe oNlY ReAl bAlL pLaYeR" is silly.  No matter where you land on PED's in sports, theres nothing wrong AT ALL with better living through science under a doctors care. If you're done having kids, and your test is in the gutter, and you're not playing pro-ball; by all means feel free to take advantage of  the medical advancements that we have

[BullBuchanan]

4 hours ago, KentuckyBillsFan said:

I still can't believe we gave a decent contract to a guy who we know just got popped for juicing

Who cares? Let them all juice as long as they're only suspended for meaningless games. We could use a prime Brian Cushing, Clay Matthews, Shawn Merriman on this squad.

[BillsShredder83]

2 hours ago, MikePJ76 said:

I remember in high school trying desperately to gain weight for baseball.  I worked my tail off.  I just could not gained weight.  I was way too  active.  
 

I went to my doctor because my parents made me, to see which weight gain supplement and creatine he would recommend to help me add weight with my lifting routine.  He was a younger doctor and a former college athlete, he looked right at me and said never put that stuff in your body, ever especially the creatine.  That was that.  

You really dodged a bullet there LOL

Doctors also used to manually stimulate women for "hysteria" treatment.  Maybe science evolves

26 minutes ago, Special K said:

 

I think the drugs are always ahead of the tests.

 

I was watching a documentary about Ben Johnson's positive steroid test in the 1988 Olympics.

 

A doctor picked 9 random "clean" blood samples across all sports in the 1988 Olympics, and tested them using 1992 testing specifications, and 8 of the 9 samples came back as "positive" for steroids.

 

Just shows that the drug makers are unfortunately always ahead of the drug enforcers.

It's either this, or athletes stopped looking for an edge..... hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.  The same pool of guys who crash drunk driving and beat up their wives, must have some unique moral code where they draw a hard line at PED's

[That's No Moon]

44 minutes ago, MJS said:

If nobody talks about it, how do you know?

This is exactly why they don't test for it well. If you don't test for it you don't know. If you don't know you can't be held accountable for knowing.

 

The test they use can only catch people in a 24 to 48 hour window and during the season they can only be tested at team facilities so only when they are there which is not every day and not all day. There is also no longitudinal study of a players levels over time.

 

The tests are also randomly selected by a computer from everyone on the roster and practice squad and cannot be targeted at players known to be recovering from injury.

 

Basically, you have to be an idiot to get caught for this, especially during the season. The protocols have zero no-notice testing, even in the off-season.

[BullBuchanan]

2 hours ago, MikePJ76 said:

I remember in high school trying desperately to gain weight for baseball.  I worked my tail off.  I just could not gained weight.  I was way too  active.  
 

I went to my doctor because my parents made me, to see which weight gain supplement and creatine he would recommend to help me add weight with my lifting routine.  He was a younger doctor and a former college athlete, he looked right at me and said never put that stuff in your body, ever especially the creatine.  That was that.  
 

he really didn’t appreciate my joke about buying the one called the Russian bear at GNC which was 4000 calories per shake.  That was a real product.

 

anyway, multiple high school friends took both and made huge gains.  Meanwhile my 5”10 skinny azz worked like a dog to get to 160 pounds.

 

that was a 90’s thing and the current thing is testosterone products.  Anything that advertises like four times on an hour on sports radio stations should be avoided at all costs.

 

anyway,  hoecht is just a guy and he is going to have a hard time living down the ped thing without an abnormally high productive season.

So your cautionary tale is that you didn't take it and now you're here posting on a message board instead of participating in OTAs?

I don't think that more than a very small handful of people even care right now that Hoecht got popped. I sure don't. Whether he has an all-pro season or a totally forgettable one, no one will be talking about this at the end of the season. Every pro athlete is on performance enhancing supplements of some sort. It's all just a matter of gaming specific product and biochemistry levels to not go over certain thresholds.