Gabe Davis released

[ddaryl]

3 minutes ago, Mat68 said:

Healthy he offers more than Mack Hollins.  

 

 

no he doesn't

[Mat68]

2 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

IMHO he has no role here, can’t see him coming back unless he’s willing to do it as a backup and maybe get 20-30 targets on the season unless injuries change that.  I think he wants a place where he will get more opportunities than what the Bills WR room offers him right now.
 

I will honestly be shocked if he isn’t a Steeler or Giant before the end of this week.  They both wake way too much sense right now

He walks in and is an upgrade over Hollins.  Davis blocks and will be involved early downs.  Offers more down field and after the catch.  If he lost a step its no risk. 

[Mat68]

4 minutes ago, ddaryl said:

 

 

no he doesn't

Last season in his by far worst year Davis averaged more yards and catches per game than Hollins.  Hollins caught 31 balls for 378 yards what are we talking about?  Davis is as good a blocker and healthy a by far better wr.  If healthy is the question.  With offset language he will sign a 1 year minimum deal and Jacksonville picks up the tab.  Its a no lose situation with a player that Allen knows and likes.  

[Alphadawg7]

11 minutes ago, Mat68 said:

He walks in and is an upgrade over Hollins.  Davis blocks and will be involved early downs.  Offers more down field and after the catch.  If he lost a step its no risk. 

 

Hollins snaps are already replaced between Palmer and more snaps for Keon.  Palmer is already better IMO than Davis in terms of receiving (better hands, better routes, bigger route tree, better separation) and Keon is going to be given every chance to be WR1 this year.  So this isn't is he a better WR down field than Hollins (and he is, but I don't think its by as much as people think), its where does he fit in the WR room right now.

 

Keon, Shakir, Palmer, Samuel are not going anywhere and that makes Davis essentially WR4/5 here depending on how they use Samuel and assuming they would cut Moore (if only 5 are kept).  If they keep Moore, now you got Davis and Moore battling for first guy off the deep bench, unless Samuel falters and one of them over take his expected role this year.  

 

Im not against Davis coming back by any means (just don't like him as a starting WR2), he is an excellent dirty work guy and has downfield value even though his awareness, hands, and route tree are all not his strong suits.  But looking at it from Davis point of view, he has no role here to be an involved WR in the passing game unless injuries were to make it possible.  

 

I don't think he is looking to go somewhere where his primary use is blocking and he gets some occassional targets as a depth WR.  Places like the Steelers, Giants, and a few other teams offer more opportunities for actual targets.

Edited 16 hours ago by Alphadawg7

[Shaw66]

3 hours ago, BullBuchanan said:

He'd immediately be no worse than the 2nd best WR on the team. 

If that's true, he was the second beat wide out on the Jags.  So why is he a free agent today?

Edited 15 hours ago by Shaw66

[BillsfaninSB]

Shows how good this organization is with personnel.  They prop up guys like Edmunds and Davis and they go and get absurd money elsewhere. 

[billsfan89]

6 minutes ago, Mat68 said:

He walks in and is an upgrade over Hollins.  Davis blocks and will be involved early downs.  Offers more down field and after the catch.  If he lost a step its no risk. 

 

Hollins is/was an ST ace. Both Gabe and Hollins are very good blockers and while I would say Gabe has more receiving ability for the WR5/6 spot the Bills generally like to have someone who plays special teams well. I think if the Bills do sign Gabe his roster spot is going to be harder to justify if he doesn't capably contribute to special teams. It's one of the reason why Hamlin was brought back as he is a solid ST player so that even if he is hopefully displaced as a starting safety the Bills can plug him at ST and then have him as good depth. 

[BananaB]

My frustrations with Gabe were probably more on Beane. Gabe was a solid #3 and earned a shot to be #2 but Beane never made no backup plan or did anything when it wasn’t working. Then Beane doubled down on him the next season and blamed his inconsistencies on injury. 

[BullBuchanan]

2 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

If that's true, he was the second beat wife out on the Jags.  So why is he a free agent today?

How does that logic work?

[paulmm3]

1 minute ago, BillsfaninSB said:

Shows how good this organization is with personnel.  They prop up guys like Edmunds and Davis and they go and get absurd money elsewhere. 

 

Seriously. Massive feather in Beane's cap not to pay big money to extend Davis or Edmunds.

[Captain Hindsight]

1 minute ago, paulmm3 said:

 

Seriously. Massive feather in Beane's cap not to pay big money to extend Davis or Edmunds.

Beane is pretty good about letting guys go at the right time. He has plenty of issues, but he’s a good GM

[TBBills Fan]

2 hours ago, hondo in seattle said:

Am I suffering from some kind of bias when I remember Gabe this way (see below)?

 

- Hard worker, good dude in the locker room, willing blocker.

 

- Not on the same page as Josh, which suggests Gabe made bad decisions on choice routes.

 

- Possesses neither great moves nor speed.  When he got open deep, it was often because a DB made a mistake (sometimes because Josh was running around improvising, looking like he was about to get sacked).  

 

- Opposing DBs said Gabe was easy to cover because he ran a limited route tree.  

 

I guess there'd be no harm in bringing him back for the vet minimum.  Competition is never a bad thing, but I wouldn't be any kind of excited.   

 

If choice routes led to miscommunication, is it safe to say that may not matter. I thought I read Brady is not a choice routes guy with his offense, which diggs didn't like

[JohnBonhamRocks]

If we’re simplifying it to “X replaces Y”, then I feel Palmer replaces Cooper. Not sure we’ve gotten a Hollins replacement.  Moore certainly is not that.

[Goin Breakdown]

13 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

If that's true, he was the second beat wife out on the Jags.  So why is he a free agent today?

Who's beating wives? Tyreek, is that you?

[DapperCam]

Is Gabe Davis able to play special teams? He could be a Mack Hollins replacement IMO.

[BillsFan130]

39 minutes ago, Mat68 said:

He walks in and is an upgrade over Hollins.  Davis blocks and will be involved early downs.  Offers more down field and after the catch.  If he lost a step it's no risk. 

Bad things happen when you throw to Gabe Davis..

 

To my knowledge, Mack Hollins didn't fumble, have a dropped pass, or Josh didn't throw an INT when throwing his way.

 

What happened when josh threw to Gabe? Sure some more explosiveness.

 

But drops, fumbles and INTs when targeting him .

 

Also, Mack was elite at special teams where Gabe doesn't play 

[Mat68]

22 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

If that's true, he was the second beat wife out on the Jags.  So why is he a free agent today?

Because he was paid as a high end 2 by the previous GM and coach.  They drafted Hunter #2 to pair with Thomas Jr.  With the money still owed Davis would be a league minimum signing.  No risk move.  Can do everything Hollins did last year but a better wr.  If Coleman and  Palmer emerge as significantly better it costs the same as any camp body.  I dont understand the push back at all. 

[Krakensabres]

If he is a league minimum ( suggested given that he already has a high pay from his jags team that gives him no financial motivation to get a bigger deal just like Russell Wilson did - Greg from cover 1 posted on this ) then bring him in if he doesn’t make the team doesn’t make the team

Edited 16 hours ago by Krakensabres

[Cray51]

I dont hate bringing him into camp and seeing what he can be.  Similar to Dane Jackson, if you get 1 year of serviceable play, I'm not complaining

[ddaryl]

36 minutes ago, Mat68 said:

Last season in his by far worst year Davis averaged more yards and catches per game than Hollins.  Hollins caught 31 balls for 378 yards what are we talking about?  Davis is as good a blocker and healthy a by far better wr.  If healthy is the question.  With offset language he will sign a 1 year minimum deal and Jacksonville picks up the tab.  Its a no lose situation with a player that Allen knows and likes.  

 

 

 Holins made some cutch catches, had a high football IQ, and was character that the fans really enjoyed

 

There is not a single situation in which I would welcome Gabe Davis back to the Bills

 

We were a better team minus Gabe Davis, and the players here already are better than Gabe Davis