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[CEN-CAL17]

33 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

I see this as the analog of Chase Claypool last year. A talented athlete who hasn't been able to figure out the NFL game and has had questions about his attitude. I'm fine with it because he upgrades Shenault and Shavers but I don't have a ton of optimism.

Dude has averages 50 catches a year in the past 4 seasons…. This is a great pickup

[The Wiz]

7 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

“We felt that defense was a bigger and more immediate need heading into the draft and with the way the board fell, we also felt the value wasn’t there at receiver when we were picking.  But we’re always looking to make our team better and we’ll be open to adding more talent at the receiver position before training camp.”

 

- what Beane should’ve said.

Pretty much every interview from McD and Beane contains the phrase "we are always looking to make our team better".

 

So since he didn't say it this time he should be shunned? 

[3rdand12]

1 minute ago, The Firebaugh Kid said:

That I totally agree with. I think it was more the fact that they don’t see the good that he does. And there’s a ton of good. And I’m stoked about this signing. This kid is gonna surprise a lot of people.

Not sure he will surprise, but hopeful.

Had a feeling Bills were interested in this cat for awhile. Knew the skill set was still a need.

Good score by Beanes Team.

[oldmanfan]

13 minutes ago, Bruffalo said:

Do I need to bring up Shavers and KJ Hamler too? Let’s be real, he’s not making the 53 unless he shocks everyone. 

Ok.  Let’s be real.  We drafted a WR; you said we did not.  Whether he shocks folks or not remains to be seen.  Benford sure did.

[Low Positive]

15 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

That's exactly right. Fans overrate how much extra production WRs get from elite QBs. Chase and Higgins were still elite when Jake Browning was their QB. The example I always use is Tyreek Hill got more production when he went from Mahomes to Tua. WR production is about a whole lot more than their QB, and most of it rests on the WR themselves.

 

I'm struggling to think of a recent example of a WR where the light suddenly clicked on after getting a better QB? It didn't happen with Kadarius Toney or Chase Claypool or Nelson Agholor, etc.

I don't disagree with you, but just to play devil advocate, go look at Wes Welker's numbers with Tom Brady and without Tom Brady. Also, if you take your argument to its logical conclusion you will come to the opinion that QBs don't matter. If Chase can put up big numbers with Browning, why pay Burrow >50 million? 

[3rdand12]

9 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

For what to pay them some amount of signing bonus so they can be cut the end of August.    Barring an injury the five listed below are all on the team.  Add in two TE's who even though Kincaid didn't live up to expectations last year are still threats that need too be taken seriously and need to be game planned for.  Also have RB's that can catch passes and can run the ball behind a very effective O-line.

 

Teams with star QB's don't need star WR's as they QB can make the WR look much better than they really  are.

 

 

 

Offensive coordinators are the key ingredient with seemingly lesser talent. Josh just does Josh.

 

[The Wiz]

4 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

Those last 3.... yes please.

Should have clarified.  Bottom to top. 😆

[HOUSE]

https://youtu.be/jgck_zjTrNA?si=WvEeE1Z093FS2cxW

Pro day

[Negan]

Do any of these WR cast offs turn into great players? 

[Big Blitz]

LFG!

[Captain Hindsight]

43 minutes ago, HOUSE said:

I still want more wide receivers 

[3rdand12]

2 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

Should have clarified.  Bottom to top. 😆

 

2 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

Should have clarified.  Bottom to top. 😆

Its a method 😋

[MikePJ76]

10 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

I disagree.  Elite WRs are generally very good with bad to average QB play.

 

Not exactly sure how a good WR can become a very good WR if they have a bad/average QB.

Well I would caution that coopers ailments in Cleveland were blamed on poor qb play also and then he was just a guy here.  
 

a third round pick was thrown away.  At least Moore only costs money.

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

4 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

Offensive coordinators are the key ingredient with seemingly lesser talent. Josh just does Josh.

 

 

True,, but still need to QB who can make the throws.

[Mat68]

36 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

Good wr’s generally are still very good with bad to average qb play.   
 

 

I would argue 1 can.  

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[Big Turk]

High upside, no real downside. Played with two of the most dysfunctional organizations in the NFL 

 

Not going to excuse the attitude issues but I think a lot of people would have attitude issues on those teams that wouldn't on a team like the Bills.

[Mat68]

21 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Jeremy's argument of getting cheap labor by drafting every year or two at the position has its validity too.

They did draft one this year.  With the first pick last year. They drafted Shorter the year prior and the year before that they picked Shakir.  What are we talking about?

[Luka]

Palmer, Shenault and now Moore. Shenault was definitely a player a large part of the board wanted in the draft when he came out. Moore fits the exact type of receiver people wanted in Worthy last year. I guess I am not understanding how a 4th round wide receiver would some how be a better prospect in a receiver thin class than 3 guys with NFL experience. Is it just the desire for the unknown? You want to be there when "your guy" makes it to the big time? 

 

Shakir is the #1. We used him essentially the same way we used Diggs, except Shakir wasn't bitching every play he didn't get the ball so he saw less targets. Kincaid is technically supposed to be the #2, the generational talent at tight end. You mix Knox and a couple guys in here and there, that's the offense essentially. Cooper improved the offense because he was a deep threat. Coleman is supposed to be that guy but he did not mature as quickly as the staff thought he would, in came Cooper. If Coleman can start to be the presence on the outside that's a threat to Moss a defender down field, this offense will be just as good, if not better than it was last year. 

 

Moore will be the McKenzie of this offense, or at least, that will be what this staff hopes to get out of him. Speed can work just as well on a jet sweep as it can downfield. Get him some bubble screens and make some space, he can certainly be a piece in this offense. 

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14 minutes ago, khlax3 said:

I would assume he is getting at least 3.5 guaranteed. When the browns put the tender on him that guaranteed him 3.43 million from them for this season. I doubt he would sign for less than that

The Browns have a QB room consisting of a busted Watson, the ghost of Flacco, Ken-ya Pick-it (yes you can), an over drafted 3rd round rookie that they took because they didn’t trust the 5th round rookie that they then picked not to turn the organization into a circus. They also have the draft capital to select another QB next year when this blows up in their face. If you were signing a 1 year deal to show your skills and set you up for your next contract, is that the situation you’d want to do it in? I wouldn’t be so sure he didn’t take less.