The Worthy Trade Keeps Looking Worse and Worse

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

The chiefs definitely have a “type” at wide receiver. Short speed bugs that can play inside and out: Tyreek, Hardeman, Worthy, Brown, Rice, Thornton. They are the same build and style. (The one outlier is JuJu).  Their RBs are even sort of similar, like that rookie they have now (Smith).

 

I give credit to the chiefs, as they know how to use these guys. Most of these receivers would be pretty average on other teams. 

Edited Monday at 01:11 PM by Miyagi-Do Karate

[NoHuddleKelly12]

18 minutes ago, ShakAttack said:

It certainly factored in, but regardless, it has been a while since we have seen the Chiefs put up 30+ that easily against any team and we are kidding ourselves if we don’t think Worthy was a big reason for that.

 

That said, I am probably more concerned with the fact that the Chiefs obviously have a defense that is capable of slowing down playoff caliber offenses (as they have been for a while) and we do not.

Weird that it would all be on Worthy tho, since I believe this is the first time since 2023 that the Chefs have scored more than 31 points in a game, with or without Worthy? Meanwhile that’s what we’ve just been averaging without even a deep threat, lol.

Edited Monday at 01:15 PM by NoHuddleKelly12

[SCBills]

The Bills will likely never draft a player like Worthy or sign a player like Thornton so it is what it is. 
 

Bills want to be big and physical on Offense and that also means have Wide Receivers who can block.  
 

 

I too wish they could give Allen one quality speed guy who’s not of the gadget variety, but alas it seems to be akin to wishing they get bigger up the middle on Defense.   They simply aren’t going to do it. 
 

We’ll see what it looks like when we get there but it has to change because an underreported issue the Playoff Bills face is Allen not having guys get open for him regularly enough.  If our Defense wasn’t a flaming dumpster fire every postseason when it matters, this would be a much more talked about issue. 
 

 

Edited Monday at 01:15 PM by SCBills

[Rochesterfan]

4 minutes ago, ShakAttack said:

Maybe so, but at the very least, it’s a combination. Because I’ve witnessed the Chiefs offense struggle to move the ball against much worse defenses than the “decimated” version of Ravens defense.

 

Put it this way, if it were the Bills with this type of output after getting our top WR back, our board would be all over how much that player means to the team. 
 

I think most of us - myself included - do not like to admit to ourselves how good this kid is becoming. Thank goodness he appears to be fragile and potentially injury prone.

 

Are you sure?  The Ravens (prior to this weekend) were statistically the worse defense in the NFL.  They were 32nd in total yards and bottom 3 in both passing and rush yards given up.  Bottom 3rd in red zone, 3rd down and 4th down.  And bottom of creating turnovers.  This weekend did not help any of the numbers.

 

It may be the injuries, but right now they are the NFLs worst defense - so we really have not seen the Chiefs offense against a worse defense.  They have struggled against the Chargers, Eagles, and Giants who all have decent defenses.  It is no surprise they moved the ball against Baltimore.  That is not a good defense and the injuries have killed them.

 

 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

I immediately went to look at the chiefs jags spread after reading this lol. This supposedly unstoppable juggernaut of a team is a 2.5 point favorite over the jags 

 

Edited Monday at 01:19 PM by Generic_Bills_Fan

[T master]

28 minutes ago, ShakAttack said:

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/patrick-mahomes-it-was-huge-to-have-xavier-worthy-back-out-there
 

This was tough to read on so many levels, but most specifically, that we are responsible for the Chiefs having the player that fixed their offense (and morale).

 

So yes, that’s why a Chiefs article is in the Bills forum, because it is unfortunately “Bills related”

The Chiefs may be the game that we can expect Max to be brought up to match his speed on the field .

[ShakAttack]

4 minutes ago, T master said:

The Chiefs may be the game that we can expect Max to be brought up to match his speed on the field .

 

I sure hope we can use Max by playoff time, but knowing McD's tendencies I think it is more likely he will want Max to get a "full off season" prior to him starting, unless injuries force our hand.

[T master]

2 minutes ago, ShakAttack said:

 

I sure hope we can use Max by playoff time, but knowing McD's tendencies I think it is more likely he will want Max to get a "full off season" prior to him starting, unless injuries force our hand.

I take it that you are basing your opinion on the 1st round pick Elam that was traded to Dallas ? I believe if Max shows he's the best player during his time in practice that he will be the guy come game day unlike Elam .

 

From what I remember Elam was more of a man player coming out of college and the Bills play more of a zone type D and who knows it may have been some of the coaching because he has started every game in Dallas so we may never know but I can hope that Max won't turn out the same !! 

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

What’s so ironic and painful about the chiefs is that we have basically handed them some of their best players.

 

1) trade to get mahomes

2) trade to get worthy

3) drafted boogie instead or creed Humphrey (in a year, where we all were clamoring for Humphrey)

4) they picked McDuffie and we picked Elam in a year where we both went CB (though, to be fair, chiefs picked ahead of us).

[Big Turk]

43 minutes ago, Billsfanatic8989 said:

It's hard to judge because of how decimated on D the Ravens are. I think the Panthers would have put up alot of points on them today. 

 

He is a key addition of course. But time will tell. In fact, time will tell with alot of teams. No team out there is a juggernaut. There is no 2007 Patriots or 2013 Broncos type team.

 

IMO, the Bills are the closest to that

[Charles Romes]

Well, the practice window needs to open today for max then. 

[boyst]

51 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

I'd say that it was more the Ravens defense being trash and having multiple additional starters on D go down injured than Worthy.

Agreed. The vaunted ravens defense is not as good in practice as it is on paper. This is a defense that started last year as terrible against the pass and was wildly inconsistent most of the year.

 

Worthy helped. A lot. But the Ravens didn't have a strategic answer. 

[Neo]

I still cant believe we got a Dolphins’ 1st round pick for Marlin Briscoe and used it to draft Joe DeLamielleure.   BRB, going to Fin Heaven to see what they’re saying about it, today.   

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, ShakAttack said:

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/patrick-mahomes-it-was-huge-to-have-xavier-worthy-back-out-there
 

This was tough to read on so many levels, but most specifically, that we are responsible for the Chiefs having the player that fixed their offense (and morale).

 

So yes, that’s why a Chiefs article is in the Bills forum, because it is unfortunately “Bills related”

You could’ve put the chiefs article in the thread dedicated to Xavier Worthy

Edited Monday at 01:49 PM by NewEra

[billsfan89]

We all knew KC even if they lost to the Ravens would “get it in gear” and win at least 10 games and be the 6th seed and be dangerous. This win helps them push for their division. This upcoming Jags game is going to determine in my belief in KC. If they blowout the Jags away then KC is going to be a powerhouse esp if they go win an away game against a solid team by a big margin.

 

If they lose their season is in trouble in terms of winning their division. If they win by a small margin they are the savvy veteran team getting stronger but not quite there yet

[Einstein]

Worthy is good.

It is as simple as that. 

 

Anyone arguing against that at this point is just being a KC hatwr.

 

He has dangerous speed, good hands and he is developing a really nice slant game as well.

 

I hated trading to KC at the time and I hate it now.

[SaulGoodman]

1 hour ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

Weird that it would all be on Worthy tho, since I believe this is the first time since 2023 that the Chefs have scored more than 31 points in a game, with or without Worthy? Meanwhile that’s what we’ve just been averaging without even a deep threat, lol.

 

They also upgraded the worst LT situation in the league with Josh Simmons. 

[Einstein]

40 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

What’s so ironic and painful about the chiefs is that we have basically handed them some of their best players.

 

1) trade to get mahomes

2) trade to get worthy

3) drafted boogie instead or creed Humphrey (in a year, where we all were clamoring for Humphrey)

4) they picked McDuffie and we picked Elam in a year where we both went CB (though, to be fair, chiefs picked ahead of us).

 

And yet there are posters on this forum who will defend Beane trading picks to KC.

 

I don’t care what we get back! There should be a firm WE DO NOT DO BUSINESS WITH KANSAS CITY rule in our front office.

[Dr.Sack]

Good game by Worthy. The question with guys of his body type is “will they hold up?” As a featured player Worthy is going to take 5-10 massive hits a year and we saw what his own old and slow TE did to him week 1.

[90sBills]

1 hour ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

I immediately went to look at the chiefs jags spread after reading this lol. This supposedly unstoppable juggernaut of a team is a 2.5 point favorite over the jags 

 

Not sure how often you bet but this is a typical spread. JAX is a good team. If KC had lost yesterday they would’ve been a slight dog in this spot.