Orlando Buffalo Posted yesterday at 05:42 PM Posted yesterday at 05:42 PM 43 minutes ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said: Completely left out Allen’s 1800 34 TDs rushing …and a receiving TD for good measure. I can’t stand when analysts manipulate statistics like this. Absolutely insanity to even compare these 2 guys. And I am actually a Tua fan, but Josh is a first ballot HOFer if he retires at 30. Tua is a Chad Pennington clone. Being honest the cherry picking of stats of Josh vs anyone just reinforces to me how special he is, the number of stats he is the only guy in NFL history to pull off is absurd. 1 Quote
Doc Posted yesterday at 07:44 PM Posted yesterday at 07:44 PM 2 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said: Completely left out Allen’s 1800 34 TDs rushing …and a receiving TD for good measure. I can’t stand when analysts manipulate statistics like this. Absolutely insanity to even compare these 2 guys. And I am actually a Tua fan, but Josh is a first ballot HOFer if he retires at 30. Tua is a Chad Pennington clone. Not to mention, can you imagine Josh with Hill and Waddle? 1 Quote
Old Coot Posted 18 hours ago Posted 18 hours ago This thread reminds me of the SNL "Da Bears" skit in which its Ditka (alone) vs the Giants: Here at 4:10 Quote
ganesh Posted 10 hours ago Posted 10 hours ago 20 hours ago, Orlando Buffalo said: What this post tells me is that Josh would be a top 10 QB with just his throwing abilities. Tua is top 10, when healthy, and Josh is his equal even if we lop off all of the Josh runs. What that does not tell is that Tua has Hill and Waddle....and Josh has a bunch of nobody's !!!! 1 Quote
Augie Posted 10 hours ago Posted 10 hours ago 17 minutes ago, ganesh said: What that does not tell is that Tua has Hill and Waddle....and Josh has a bunch of nobody's !!!! It also fails to mention how many games it took to get 50 starts. For Josh I would say it was 50. For Tua? You know hat they say about the best ability…. Quote
Doc Brown Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago 19 hours ago, Orlando Buffalo said: Being honest the cherry picking of stats of Josh vs anyone just reinforces to me how special he is, the number of stats he is the only guy in NFL history to pull off is absurd. We could start like an Amazon boycott saying report only total qb epa per play. Quote
folz Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago On 6/16/2025 at 12:56 PM, ChronicAndKnuckles said: Completely left out Allen’s 1800 34 TDs rushing …and a receiving TD for good measure. I can’t stand when analysts manipulate statistics like this. Absolutely insanity to even compare these 2 guys. And I am actually a Tua fan, but Josh is a first ballot HOFer if he retires at 30. Tua is a Chad Pennington clone. 6 hours ago, Augie said: It also fails to mention how many games it took to get 50 starts. For Josh I would say it was 50. For Tua? You know hat they say about the best ability…. Last 50 Regular Season Starts (true perspective): Total Yards Total TDs Total Turnovers Completion % GWD Record Playoffs Josh 14,144 127 49 64.5 10 37-13 7-6 Tua 13,162 84 46 68.6 7 32-18 0-1 Josh's 50 games started week 1 of the 2022 season. Over that span (51 games), Josh has missed 1 regular season game and no playoff games (13 PO games total). Tua's 50 games started in week 8 of the 2021 season. Over that span (61 games), Tua has missed 11 regular season games and 2 of 3 playoff games. People can match up stats all they want, but 43 more touchdowns over that span equates to 301 more points, or 6 points per game. Plus Josh had almost 1,000 yards more total yards over that span, and as Augie pointed out...was always available. Not being available in the playoffs is huge. And in Tua's 1 playoff appearance, he went 20 of 39 (51.3 comp.%) for 210 total yards, 1 TD, 1 INT. Josh has averaged per game in the playoffs: 310 total yards, a 65.7 comp%, 2.5 TDs, 0.30 INTs. That X poster is trying hard to prove that Tua is as good as Josh. But I wonder if he would actually trade them head-up, player-for-player, if he were the GM of the Bills (somehow I doubt it). 1 Quote
Augie Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 8 minutes ago, folz said: Last 50 Regular Season Starts (true perspective): Total Yards Total TDs Total Turnovers Completion % GWD Record Playoffs Josh 14,144 127 49 64.5 10 37-13 7-6 Tua 13,162 84 46 68.6 7 32-18 0-1 Josh's 50 games started week 1 of the 2022 season. Over that span (51 games), Josh has missed 1 regular season game and no playoff games (13 PO games total). Tua's 50 games started in week 8 of the 2021 season. Over that span (61 games), Tua has missed 11 regular season games and 2 of 3 playoff games. People can match up stats all they want, but 43 more touchdowns over that span equates to 301 more points, or 6 points per game. Plus Josh had almost 1,000 yards more total yards over that span, and as Augie pointed out...was always available. Not being available in the playoffs is huge. And in Tua's 1 playoff appearance, he went 20 of 39 (51.3 comp.%) for 210 total yards, 1 TD, 1 INT. Josh has averaged per game in the playoffs: 310 total yards, a 65.7 comp%, 2.5 TDs, 0.30 INTs. That X poster is trying hard to prove that Tua is as good as Josh. But I wonder if he would actually trade them head-up, player-for-player, if he were the GM of the Bills (somehow I doubt it). Thanks, that’s great stuff and, well, frankly….I’m far too lazy to do all that. 1 Quote
Augie Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago (edited) 1 hour ago, folz said: Last 50 Regular Season Starts (true perspective): Total Yards Total TDs Total Turnovers Completion % GWD Record Playoffs Josh 14,144 127 49 64.5 10 37-13 7-6 Tua 13,162 84 46 68.6 7 32-18 0-1 Josh's 50 games started week 1 of the 2022 season. Over that span (51 games), Josh has missed 1 regular season game and no playoff games (13 PO games total). Tua's 50 games started in week 8 of the 2021 season. Over that span (61 games), Tua has missed 11 regular season games and 2 of 3 playoff games. People can match up stats all they want, but 43 more touchdowns over that span equates to 301 more points, or 6 points per game. Plus Josh had almost 1,000 yards more total yards over that span, and as Augie pointed out...was always available. Not being available in the playoffs is huge. And in Tua's 1 playoff appearance, he went 20 of 39 (51.3 comp.%) for 210 total yards, 1 TD, 1 INT. Josh has averaged per game in the playoffs: 310 total yards, a 65.7 comp%, 2.5 TDs, 0.30 INTs. That X poster is trying hard to prove that Tua is as good as Josh. But I wonder if he would actually trade them head-up, player-for-player, if he were the GM of the Bills (somehow I doubt it). Another interesting category might be number of games missed, regular season and playoffs to get there. That would be striking. I’m not Tom Sawyer asking you to paint my fence, but just trying to make a point. I could add a poll here, will he or won’t he? It’s crazy what you can do with numbers and stats. . Edited 46 minutes ago by Augie Quote
ChronicAndKnuckles Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 1 hour ago, folz said: Last 50 Regular Season Starts (true perspective): Total Yards Total TDs Total Turnovers Completion % GWD Record Playoffs Josh 14,144 127 49 64.5 10 37-13 7-6 Tua 13,162 84 46 68.6 7 32-18 0-1 Josh's 50 games started week 1 of the 2022 season. Over that span (51 games), Josh has missed 1 regular season game and no playoff games (13 PO games total). Tua's 50 games started in week 8 of the 2021 season. Over that span (61 games), Tua has missed 11 regular season games and 2 of 3 playoff games. People can match up stats all they want, but 43 more touchdowns over that span equates to 301 more points, or 6 points per game. Plus Josh had almost 1,000 yards more total yards over that span, and as Augie pointed out...was always available. Not being available in the playoffs is huge. And in Tua's 1 playoff appearance, he went 20 of 39 (51.3 comp.%) for 210 total yards, 1 TD, 1 INT. Josh has averaged per game in the playoffs: 310 total yards, a 65.7 comp%, 2.5 TDs, 0.30 INTs. That X poster is trying hard to prove that Tua is as good as Josh. But I wonder if he would actually trade them head-up, player-for-player, if he were the GM of the Bills (somehow I doubt it). I wouldn’t trade Josh for their top 5 best players combined. 1 1 Quote
FLFan Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago Anyone who thinks there is any reasonable comparison in ability or effectiveness between Allen and Tua is either a complete idiot or a totally deranged Dolphins fan. 1 1 Quote
Augie Posted 43 minutes ago Posted 43 minutes ago 41 minutes ago, FLFan said: Anyone who thinks there is any reasonable comparison in ability or effectiveness between Allen and Tua is either a complete idiot or a totally deranged Dolphins fan. Those categories are not mutually exclusive. 1 Quote
folz Posted 37 minutes ago Posted 37 minutes ago 1 hour ago, Augie said: Another interesting category might be number of games missed, regular season and playoffs to get there. That would be striking. I’m not Tom Sawyer asking you to paint my fence, but just trying to make a point. I could add a poll here, will he or won’t he? 😁 If you include playoffs, Josh hit his 50th start in week 3 of his 4th year. Tua hit his 50th start in week 16 of his 4th year. The gap isn't as wide as it would seem because Josh didn't start the first game of his rookie year and missed 4 games due to injury that season. So, his rookie year brings his average down. Josh has started 94.8% of the games in his career. In the last 6 years (subtracting his rookie season), he has started 99% of his games (only 1 game missed). Josh is averaging 15.7 starts per season for his career*. He has averaged 16.5 games per season over the last 6 years**. (not counting playoffs obviously) Tua has started 73.8% of the games in his career. Missing 21 games over the last 5 years. Tua is averaging 12.4 starts per season. [*Note: Josh played three 16-game seasons, before the NFL went to 17 games. Tua only played in one 16-game season, before it shifted.] [Two of the last six years for Josh were only 16-game seasons, with four 17-game seasons.] 1 Quote
Augie Posted 11 minutes ago Posted 11 minutes ago 23 minutes ago, folz said: 😁 If you include playoffs, Josh hit his 50th start in week 3 of his 4th year. Tua hit his 50th start in week 16 of his 4th year. The gap isn't as wide as it would seem because Josh didn't start the first game of his rookie year and missed 4 games due to injury that season. So, his rookie year brings his average down. Josh has started 94.8% of the games in his career. In the last 6 years (subtracting his rookie season), he has started 99% of his games (only 1 game missed). Josh is averaging 15.7 starts per season for his career*. He has averaged 16.5 games per season over the last 6 years**. (not counting playoffs obviously) Tua has started 73.8% of the games in his career. Missing 21 games over the last 5 years. Tua is averaging 12.4 starts per season. [*Note: Josh played three 16-game seasons, before the NFL went to 17 games. Tua only played in one 16-game season, before it shifted.] [Two of the last six years for Josh were only 16-game seasons, with four 17-game seasons.] Thanks! Some kind of a chart or graph would be helpful. 😋 Quote
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