Diggs' Drama

[BullBuchanan]

2 hours ago, FireChans said:

Some would say that was the secret to building a sneaky elite offense

Indeed! Remind me again where we rank in PPG, RYPG, and YPG?

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, GoBills808 said:

Imo waddle would have had a good chance to put up diggs #s in that offense, maybe more

 

Waddle is much more of a threat after the catch, better speed too

 

Not only is Waddle not as talented as Diggs, but this offensive is nothing like Dabolls, no WR under Brady here is going to dominate touches the way Diggs did during his reign here to the same degree.  So no disrespect, but Waddle wasn't going to put up the same numbers nor more.

[GoBills808]

3 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Not only is Waddle not as talented as Diggs, but this offensive is nothing like Dabolls, no WR under Brady here is going to dominate touches the way Diggs did during his reign here to the same degree.  So no disrespect, but Waddle wasn't going to put up the same numbers nor more.

That's why I said 'in that offense'

 

And I submit waddles Miami productions vs Diggs w Vikings as evidence 

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, Pete said:

Waddle is not toxic.  And is much more explosive.  At any rate, if Diggs is the best WR in Beanes tenure, who do you think is second best?  Shakir?  Gabe?  Brown?  Very sad.  And if you don’t think Waddle is a #1- have the Bills had a #1 WR not named Diggs in Beanes 9 years?

 

Diggs wasn't toxic either, until the end.  He was a top 3 WR in the NFL, Waddle will never at any point in his career now, the past, or future be considered a top 5 WR in the NFL.  They are not in the same class.  He is a good WR, and I would have been happy to add him and he would be our best WR on the roster, especially down field.  But he is not, never has been, and never will be better than Diggs in his prime.

 

We had Diggs, he was not only our WR1, but one of the best in the entire NFL.  His tenure ended here EARLIER than it was supposed to, 1 year into a big extension.  We had 2 off seasons to replace him, and what legit WR1 was available during that span in the draft?  None.  What legit WR1 was available in FA?  None.  What legit WR1 was available via trade - DK and Pickens, but DK is not a great WR1 and limited, and he is way way over paid.  Pickens had more drama issues than Diggs and his team dumped him too, and he had never played at the level he is playing at now in Dallas before.  So hindsight is at play there, he was off most teams radars for all the same reasons the Steelers dumped him. 

 

But you want to point to guys who never got traded and say thats the guy.  Waddle wasn't traded, no one was willing to pay even what we were offering for Waddle, but you want to claim he was better than Diggs?  And you want to be mad that we didn't over pay.  

 

The thing that irks me is all this pissing and moaning some of you do on this subject while refusing to look at the facts that this magical Diggs replacement was never at any point really there while also ignoring Beane has tried to get one like he again did this trade deadline yet NONE of the guys he went after ever got traded in the first place (Wilson, BTJ, Olave, and Waddle).  

 

Dont get me wrong - my thought is that the entire staff and FO are fired right now and they have 1 shot to get their jobs back and that is win the SB.  If they don't I am on board we need to try something different.  But that also doesn't mean all this baseless ranting about not having another top 5 WR to replace Diggs yet is because we refused to do it when there has literally not been someone there outside overpaying for a a couple of WR2 guys or gambling on what was a total kncuklehead to replace our own knucklehead, which was never going to happen.

[Billzgobowlin]

11 hours ago, thenorthremembers said:

Because he didn't want to be here and made his situation so untenable that the Bills were willing to eat tens of millions in dead cap rather than keep him in the locker room.

 

Dont let any revisionist history make this guy look like some sort of super try hard leader and winner.  He forced his way out of two different teams because he is a selfish piece of garbage.

Exactly.  First year at a new place he's fine but further in such as Minnesota and Buffalo he was needing the ball more to justify his lack of production.  At the end he gave up.  He did not work his craft and expected everything to be given to him.

[QLBillsFan]

My contribution is he wanted out of Buffalo. 

[K-9]

3 hours ago, Augie said:

 

No, it does not negate what he did before. And what he did before does not excuse his complete lack of professionalism when he went into full diva mode….again. 

I never implied that it did. And I don’t think I came anywhere near making excuses for Diggs, either. 

Edited 4 hours ago by K-9

[Pete]

2 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Diggs wasn't toxic either, until the end.  He was a top 3 WR in the NFL, Waddle will never at any point in his career now, the past, or future be considered a top 5 WR in the NFL.  They are not in the same class.  He is a good WR, and I would have been happy to add him and he would be our best WR on the roster, especially down field.  But he is not, never has been, and never will be better than Diggs in his prime.

 

We had Diggs, he was not only our WR1, but one of the best in the entire NFL.  His tenure ended here EARLIER than it was supposed to, 1 year into a big extension.  We had 2 off seasons to replace him, and what legit WR1 was available during that span in the draft?  None.  What legit WR1 was available in FA?  None.  What legit WR1 was available via trade - DK and Pickens, but DK is not a great WR1 and limited, and he is way way over paid.  Pickens had more drama issues than Diggs and his team dumped him too, and he had never played at the level he is playing at now in Dallas before.  So hindsight is at play there, he was off most teams radars for all the same reasons the Steelers dumped him. 

 

But you want to point to guys who never got traded and say thats the guy.  Waddle wasn't traded, no one was willing to pay even what we were offering for Waddle, but you want to claim he was better than Diggs?  And you want to be mad that we didn't over pay.  

 

The thing that irks me is all this pissing and moaning some of you do on this subject while refusing to look at the facts that this magical Diggs replacement was never at any point really there while also ignoring Beane has tried to get one like he again did this trade deadline yet NONE of the guys he went after ever got traded in the first place (Wilson, BTJ, Olave, and Waddle).  

 

Dont get me wrong - my thought is that the entire staff and FO are fired right now and they have 1 shot to get their jobs back and that is win the SB.  If they don't I am on board we need to try something different.  But that also doesn't mean all this baseless ranting about not having another top 5 WR to replace Diggs yet is because we refused to do it when there has literally not been someone there outside overpaying for a a couple of WR2 guys or gambling on what was a total kncuklehead to replace our own knucklehead, which was never going to happen.

It never had to be a top 5 WR.  The Bills just need a few WRs who can separate quickly.  They need a WR to take the top off, to open up everything underneath, and to get Safety’s and CBs to back the ***** up.  Bills easily could have gotten Jacobi and Shaheed this season.  They could have easily drafted Kyle Williams last draft.  You watch any other team, and their WRs get open.  We see it every week against the Bills.  WRs are an afterthought, it’s all about TEs and Cook.

[mjt328]

Neither side has told the complete story, but we do have lots of pieces that give us strong clues.

 

Diggs was a model player for his first couple seasons on the team.  No matter how much Vikings fans warned us, we wouldn't listen.  We believed that Diggs had turned over a new leaf and matured.  But something broke after the Bengals playoff loss in January 2023 (our third straight postseason exit with him on the team), and he threw a fit on the sideline.  That was when the weird behavior started.  Strange cryptic tweets and comments that seemed to poke jabs at the team and Josh Allen.  Missing mandatory minicamp and creating a huge distraction.  

 

Money wasn't the problem.  Usage wasn't the problem.  He was at the top of the NFL in both when everything started falling apart.  That's why I've always believed his frustrations just reached a boiling point, with the team unable to advance to the Super Bowl.  In many ways, it's hard to blame Diggs for getting upset like that (I know that I have felt exactly the same after those playoff losses).  But considering how pathetic his own production was in those games... maybe he should have done more looking in the mirror.  

 

On the Bills side, I think they decided after Joe Brady took the reigns at OC that Diggs wasn't really needed anymore... and wasn't worth the distractions.  They were shifting to a more run-balanced, check-down/safe offense that refused to force the ball to a WR1.  If Beane hadn't traded Diggs when he did, last year probably would have looked like the Eagles/AJ Brown situation this season.  

 

As I've said before... the problem wasn't trading away Diggs.  His immature nonsense had run it's course.  The problem was that we have tried replacing Diggs with players like Curtis Samuel, Keon Coleman and Josh Palmer.  The closest we actually came was Amari Cooper, and I'm crossing my fingers that Brandin Cooks can turn out better than anyone is anticipating.

Edited 3 hours ago by mjt328

[BillsShredder83]

Having this thread bumped at same time as the new Hailees pregnant started made my heart sink a little lol

 

Every pregnant girl I see, I assume coin flip odds its Stef's 🤣🤣🤣

 

Dude been giving Ghengis Khan a run for his $$$

[Jared]

As a Pats fan I find this whole thread interesting, as it kinda reminds me of Randy Moss with the Pats.  He languished in OAK and everyone thought he was was done and a bad influence.  gets traded to the Pats, puts up record numbers for a few years... but then things started going south.  He gets traded to the Vikings in 2010 after the Pats were unwilling to give him an extension and he was mouthing off a bit in the media.

 

It is interesting to me how both players are perceived very differently by the two fan bases.  Moss never won a ring in NE and shot his way out, but Pats fans basically love the guy.  Diggs never won anything meaningful in Buffalo and shot his way out, but Bills fans seem way more unhappy with him than Pats fans ever were with Moss.

[GoBills808]

4 minutes ago, Jared said:

As a Pats fan I find this whole thread interesting, as it kinda reminds me of Randy Moss with the Pats.  He languished in OAK and everyone thought he was was done and a bad influence.  gets traded to the Pats, puts up record numbers for a few years... but then things started going south.  He gets traded to the Vikings in 2010 after the Pats were unwilling to give him an extension and he was mouthing off a bit in the media.

 

It is interesting to me how both players are perceived very differently by the two fan bases.  Moss never won a ring in NE and shot his way out, but Pats fans basically love the guy.  Diggs never won anything meaningful in Buffalo and shot his way out, but Bills fans seem way more unhappy with him than Pats fans ever were with Moss.

i wouldnt think too hard about it lol

 

moss>>>>>diggs

[dayman]

4 minutes ago, Jared said:

As a Pats fan I find this whole thread interesting, as it kinda reminds me of Randy Moss with the Pats.  He languished in OAK and everyone thought he was was done and a bad influence.  gets traded to the Pats, puts up record numbers for a few years... but then things started going south.  He gets traded to the Vikings in 2010 after the Pats were unwilling to give him an extension and he was mouthing off a bit in the media.

 

It is interesting to me how both players are perceived very differently by the two fan bases.  Moss never won a ring in NE and shot his way out, but Pats fans basically love the guy.  Diggs never won anything meaningful in Buffalo and shot his way out, but Bills fans seem way more unhappy with him than Pats fans ever were with Moss.

Moss is a true tippy top end all time great and fairly likable. Diggs wants to be a HoFer but won’t be and is unlikable.

[folz]

13 hours ago, Donuts and Doritos said:

 

Here's an in depth explanation:

 

Inside the Stefon Diggs-Buffalo Bills divorce - ESPN https://share.google/8NYUQyZYrI3S88Aku

 

 

Thanks for posting this. I never read it before. The main (new to me) thing in there was:

 

One (Bills) team source believed that Diggs had grown frustrated with the late-season losses and had suggestions about improving the overall approach to winning that went beyond the specifics of his own role and that his delivery on those thoughts might have gone poorly.

 

Sounds like he was actually trying to get involved in game-planning/team philosophy (or telling the coaches/team what they should be doing instead, according to him of course). Pretty presumptuous for a WR. A lot of QBs are not even afforded that kind of a voice in the team.

 

 

10 hours ago, dock581 said:

What did we get from the trade??

BIG question:

 

HOUSTON GOT:

Stefon Diggs

2024 6th round pick (#189): Houston traded that pick to Detroit, who selected DT Mekhi Wingo (Texans selected LB Jamal Hill with pick 188,one slot before).

2025 5th round pick (#166): Traded to Cleveland, who traded it to Seattle, who picked WR Tory Horton. Not sure what the Texans ended up with from this pick

                                                (too many moves to track).

 

BUFFALO GOT:

2025 2nd round pick (#56): We traded that pick (with others) to Chicago to move up. Picks 56, 62, and 109 for Chicago's 41, 72, and 204.

 

Buffalo ended up with: T.J. Sanders, Landon Jackson, (and after trading Elam and a 6th to Dallas for their 5th and a 2026 7th) we got CB Jordan Hancock, (and after a second trade with Chicago) we got Deon Walker, and finally Dallas' 2026 7th round pick.

Chicago ended up with draft picks: OT Ozzy Trapilo, DT Shermar Turner, LB Ruben Hyppolite, and CB Zah Frazier.

Dallas got: Kair Elam and OT Ajani Cornelius in the draft.

 

So, it is very convoluted and it is not easy to just say this is what we got for Diggs, but here is the overview of assets given and assets gained from the Diggs trade and then the two subsequent trades made with the pick we got from Diggs.

 

BILLS GAVE UP (to three teams: Houston, Chicago, and Dallas) the following:

Stefon Diggs

Kair Elam

2024 pick 189 (6th): DT Mekhi Wingo (selected here)

2025 pick 56 (2nd): OT Ozzy Trapilo

2025 pick 62 (2nd): DT Shermar Turner

2025 pick 132 (4th): LB Ruben Hyppolite

2025 pick 166 (5th): WR Tory Horton

2025 pick 169 (5th): CB Zah Frazier

 

2025 pick 204 (6th): OT Ajani Cornelius [more part of the Elam trade]

 

BILLS RECEIVED the following:

2025 pick 41 (2nd): DT T.J. Sanders

2025 pick 72 (3rd) DE Landon Jackson

2025 pick 109 (4th) DT Deon Walker

 

2025 pick 170 (5th): CB Jordan Hancock [more part of the Elam trade]

2026 Dallas 7h round pick [more part of the Elam trade]

 

I bolded the main elements that were basically the Diggs trade only. So to be more concise (but not exact), you could say we basically got T.J. Sanders in the 2nd for Diggs, a 5th (Horton), and a 6th (Frazier). 

 

In the long run, it looks like we gave up a lot more than we got overall. But I don't really care about losing Diggs and Elam. So, for me, it will come down to how will the 5 draft picks we made/will make stack up against the 7 draft picks we gave up.

 

One last way to look at the trades is via value. if you look at draft value chart, the Bills picks equals 820.4 on the chart, while the other 7 picks given away equals 726.2 on the draft value chart. So, in value only, we basically gave up Diggs and Elam for the first pick in the 4th round (via draft value).

 

Edited 2 hours ago by folz

[QCity]

24 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

 But something broke after the Bengals playoff loss in January 2023, and he threw a fit on the sideline.  That was when the weird behavior started.  Strange cryptic tweets and comments that seemed to poke jabs at the team and Josh Allen.  Missing mandatory minicamp and creating a huge distraction.  

 

That inflection point was Feb 2023 when the Bills declined to re-sign WR coach Chad Hall, who was beloved in the WR room. That was the nudge that got the ball rolling.

[mannc]

3 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Diggs wasn't toxic either, until the end.  He was a top 3 WR in the NFL, Waddle will never at any point in his career now, the past, or future be considered a top 5 WR in the NFL.  They are not in the same class.  He is a good WR, and I would have been happy to add him and he would be our best WR on the roster, especially down field.  But he is not, never has been, and never will be better than Diggs in his prime.

 

We had Diggs, he was not only our WR1, but one of the best in the entire NFL.  His tenure ended here EARLIER than it was supposed to, 1 year into a big extension.  We had 2 off seasons to replace him, and what legit WR1 was available during that span in the draft?  None.  What legit WR1 was available in FA?  None.  What legit WR1 was available via trade - DK and Pickens, but DK is not a great WR1 and limited, and he is way way over paid.  Pickens had more drama issues than Diggs and his team dumped him too, and he had never played at the level he is playing at now in Dallas before.  So hindsight is at play there, he was off most teams radars for all the same reasons the Steelers dumped him. 

 

But you want to point to guys who never got traded and say thats the guy.  Waddle wasn't traded, no one was willing to pay even what we were offering for Waddle, but you want to claim he was better than Diggs?  And you want to be mad that we didn't over pay.  

 

The thing that irks me is all this pissing and moaning some of you do on this subject while refusing to look at the facts that this magical Diggs replacement was never at any point really there while also ignoring Beane has tried to get one like he again did this trade deadline yet NONE of the guys he went after ever got traded in the first place (Wilson, BTJ, Olave, and Waddle).  

 

Dont get me wrong - my thought is that the entire staff and FO are fired right now and they have 1 shot to get their jobs back and that is win the SB.  If they don't I am on board we need to try something different.  But that also doesn't mean all this baseless ranting about not having another top 5 WR to replace Diggs yet is because we refused to do it when there has literally not been someone there outside overpaying for a a couple of WR2 guys or gambling on what was a total kncuklehead to replace our own knucklehead, which was never going to happen.

Puka Nacua…taken by the Rams a few picks after Beane ran to the podium for WR Justin Shorter, now starring for the Las Vegas Raiders…

[Don Otreply]

14 hours ago, Neo said:

 

There are many here more learned than me.   I’ll start and let them build or tear down.

 

He is an a**hole who came up small in big moments.

 

 

Couldn’t have said it better myself,  hell Knox has noticeably more playoff TDs than Diggs does, 

[RunTheBall]

If Diggs was willing to take the roll he has in NE when he was in Buffalo, he’d go down as a Buffalo legend and be on the Wall of Fame. That’s what really pisses me off, he could have been one of the beloved Bills along with Jimbo, Thurman, Tasker, Freddie, Fitz, etc. That’s a g-d legacy, and he didn’t give a sht. All he cared about was himself. Oh he talked a good game and made people think it was about winning, but Steff is the type of guy who is happy with losing if he gets his 15 targets for 120 yards. I’m glad he’s gone. I couldn’t care less that he’s competing with Tyreek Hill for most baby mommas, he wasn’t a true Bill. He was an elite mercenary who came up short when it mattered most, blamed eveyone else, then bailed. 

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, mannc said:

Puka Nacua…taken by the Rams a few picks after Beane ran to the podium for WR Justin Shorter, now starring for the Las Vegas Raiders…

Diggs was still a Bill in that draft and no one had any idea Puka was gonna be what he is.  If they did he wouldn’t have lasted as long as he did making all 32 GMs, even the rams, look like fools for not taking him sooner

2 hours ago, Pete said:

It never had to be a top 5 WR.  The Bills just need a few WRs who can separate quickly.  They need a WR to take the top off, to open up everything underneath, and to get Safety’s and CBs to back the ***** up.  Bills easily could have gotten Jacobi and Shaheed this season.  They could have easily drafted Kyle Williams last draft.  You watch any other team, and their WRs get open.  We see it every week against the Bills.  WRs are an afterthought, it’s all about TEs and Cook.

And what has Kyle Williams done?