I'm really starting to love this WR room. We quietly got better

[Billsfanatic8989]

Still need to draft a legit #WR 1. Or, get one through free agency. 

[Mr. WEO]

1 minute ago, FireChans said:

No I don’t. Read it again. 
 

Hopkins is averaging less than 10 YPG more than Cooper. 38.5 to 47.8.

 

And the Chiefs’ offensive numbers and Mahomes’ numbers have improved dramatically since trading for him, similar to the Bills. 

 

Whoops!  9.3 is less than 10, good pickup.  .The difference between a WR2 and a WR4 I guess.

 

Mahomes is averaging 14 more ypg since Hopkins got there.  Is that dramatic?  

[FireChans]

14 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Whoops!  9.3 is less than 10, good pickup.  .The difference between a WR2 and a WR4 I guess.

 

Mahomes is averaging 14 more ypg since Hopkins got there.  Is that dramatic?  

so it went from Hopkins is dramatically doing better than Cooper, to Hopkins isn’t making a dramatic impact on KC at all?

[Mr. WEO]

59 minutes ago, FireChans said:

so it went from Hopkins is dramatically doing better than Cooper, to Hopkins isn’t making a dramatic impact on KC at all?

both are true as you can clearly see.  What’s the hard part reading those numbers?

[Sharky7337]

Let's revisit the victory lap you were taking on this worst of all time take

 

Chiefs just crowd the line of scrimmage cause our receivers are no threat.

[SCBills]

Lack of seperation on the outside REALLY showed itself this season and became very, very evident last night.

 

Our entire Offense is run, screen/swing pass, occasional middle of the field target and Josh Allen off-script.

 

We had zero ability to win on the outside this year with Keon and Cooper.  Hollins to a lesser extent, although he absolutely serves a purpose on this team and should 100% be brought back. 

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

No we didn't quietly get better. In fact we got way worse !!

 

Our WR corp is non existent. Coleman was a no show.

 

Our only offense for poor Josh is Cook, Kincaid and the rookie Hawes. 

 

Our WR room stinks at this point !

[Rocky Landing]

59 minutes ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

No we didn't quietly get better. In fact we got way worse !!

 

Our WR corp is non existent. Coleman was a no show.

 

Our only offense for poor Josh is Cook, Kincaid and the rookie Hawes. 

 

Our WR room stinks at this point !

Three games in, Keon Coleman has a 77.7% completion rate, Kalil Shakir has 72.2%, Josh palmer 74.1%, and Josh Allen has targeted 10 different players in each game. Your negativity is really just becoming schtick at this point.

[Bills!Win!]

So, in the span of four days we went from everyone eats to everyone stinks.

[strive_for_five_guy]

Just now, The Frankish Reich said:

I’m thinking that the last two weeks kinda say no, we haven’t quietly gotten better. 

To be fair to the OP, we don’t have Hollins anymore either.

[DJB]

 

[Big Turk]

1 minute ago, DJB said:

 

 

I'm still arguing that Brady makes it much harder on this offense than it needs to be with his overuse of Mesh in high leverage situations and inability to scheme up proper passing concepts that lead to space for players.

 

These WRs might not be great in terms of overall ability, but they are certainly better than what Brady has made them look.

[DJB]

1 minute ago, Big Turk said:

 

I'm still arguing that Brady makes it much harder on this offense than it needs to be with his overuse of Mesh in high leverage situations and inability to scheme up proper passing concepts that lead to space for players.

 

These WRs might not be great in terms of overall ability, but they are certainly better than what Brady has made them look.

It’s a combo of both. I can admit that Brady is a pretty good run coordinator but his passing concepts are brutal. 
 

Add in the worst WR group in the NFL and it’s a recipe for disaster 

[Big Turk]

10 minutes ago, DJB said:

It’s a combo of both. I can admit that Brady is a pretty good run coordinator but his passing concepts are brutal. 
 

Add in the worst WR group in the NFL and it’s a recipe for disaster 

 

Think it's been a problem repeatedly since 2020...OC starts out, looks amazing year 1(year 2 for Daboll but Allen really came out in 2020 in a way nobody ever saw before), gets figured out at some point early in year 2 and doesn't have the answers to fix the issues, leaves, new OC takes over...he looks great year 1 and then year 2 gets figured out with no answers and we regress..

 

Win totals last 5+ years:

 

13-11-13-11-13-11?

 

Daboll->Dorsey->Brady

 

The issue is we haven't hired an OC that has enough answers once their best gets figured out and they have to adjust to what defenses are doing to them.

Edited 38 minutes ago by Big Turk

[SoonerBillsFan]

On 6/23/2024 at 7:09 AM, JerseyBills said:

Lets just start with the top 5 WRs, Bills just dropped a video yesterday or the day before , so pretty much confirmed our top 5..

 

Last year                This year

Diggs                       Coleman

Davis                        Samuel

Shakir                       Shakir

Harty                         Hollins

Sherfield                   MVS

 

There's obviously a huge question mark with Coleman, as with any rookie WR but should be dynamic in this O. 

 

I'm huge on Shakir, I really think he's going to be a stud this year and eclipse 1k yards. 

 

Huge fan of Samuel,  he does it all, you can put this guy anywhere, including the backfield and he's explosive and makes plays and that was on a terrible O with terrible QB play. Skys the limit, loved the signing. 

 

Hollins is interesting but he's an elite run blocker , which Brady has shown,  we're running the ball, bottom line , and not a great year statistically last year but I could see him having his 22 season where he put up 57 rec 690 yards 4 TDs. This was Gabe his first 2 years and this is his replacement for much cheaper. Plus he's a certified leader..

 

MVS , yes the drops and statistically wasn't great in the regular season but you can argue he's the reason KC won the SB. In our game he had 62 yards, 17 more yards than Kincaid who was our top guy w 45 yards. Would've loved to have him in January last year. Made huge big , long catches. Meanwhile Diggs is dropping wide open TDs which win us that game.. 

 

And at 6 , Claypool, Hamler, Shorter etc will fight it out 

 

Bottom line , this is a much deeper WR group. Harty/Sherfield were busts, they were awful. And with Gabe injured vs KC, it showed how weak our depth was. No offense,  but I never want to see Andy Isabella playing in a playoff game and that won't happen again with the depth added. Sherfield/Harty also had no business being out there. 

 

Obviously Coleman is a huge key to this group and puzzle but I see no reason he can't be the guy we expect him to be. Plus Kincaid year 2. Cook year 3. Upgraded RB room

This is going to be a fun O to watch. Probably the best we've seen with Allen because of WR depth, elite RB/TE and Brady calling plays

 

*Not to crap on Diggs, I really admire his game and intensity, I have him as my profile picture but the fact that Beane ate 30+ mil and took a future 2, clearly they thought he was just to disruptive in the locker room, as a leader. The Cincy game leaving his teammates,  as a captain, speaks volumes.

McBeane has built this team on family and doing your 1/11th on o and d and Diggs just didn't fit that culture. Good luck but good riddance 

 

* MOST COMPLETE O IN THE GAME,  EASYYYYYYYY

 

** Since this blew up a little,  I was 100% wrong on the original WRs but with the addition of Coop, I feel like this is not only our best WR corps but most complete O (Cook/Ray/OL/TEs) in the Allen era

This aged well

[IYKYK]

4 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

This aged well

Trust the process 

[ScottishBills]

On 9/20/2025 at 2:58 AM, Rocky Landing said:

Three games in, Keon Coleman has a 77.7% completion rate, Kalil Shakir has 72.2%, Josh palmer 74.1%, and Josh Allen has targeted 10 different players in each game. Your negativity is really just becoming schtick at this point.

 

Any chance of an admission that you are the one with the schtick!?!? No, didn't think so. 

 

The rest of us were right the whole time 🤷🏽‍♂️

No joy in it, but worth pointing out given the amount of wanky replies that appear when you criticise the obvious shitshow we have been watching in the pass game for 2 years

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

😂 I was waiting for this to rear it’s hilarious head once again … where’s the “Can everyone take a freaking breath” poster? 😂

[st pete gogolak]

We need to go outside the organization for both new OC and DC next year.  No more promoting from within. If Mike McDaniel or Stefanski are fired after the season and they can’t get HC gigs, I’d hire them in a heartbeat. Hell, I’d make Stefanski HC if he could convince Schwartz to come along as DC.

[Gunsgoodtime]

If having the worst wrs in the league for 2 years straight is quietly getting better, how loud is it going to be if we ever ever get a wr that's higher than #3 on any other nfl team?