Do You Like What Beane Did in the First Round?

[DapperCam]

24 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

I know it's easy to sit out here and criticize and second guess, and I love me some Brandon Beane, but...

 

The board calling for:

Linderbaum or Dax Hill over Elam

Humphrey over Basham

DK Metcalf over Cody Ford

 

We've been more correct in this range than the Bills FO.

 

Beane better have a few more magic tricks up his sleeve tonight.

I think the board was calling for Rosen over Allen. Gotta include the hits and misses to be fair.

[TheWeatherMan]

2 hours ago, Bangarang said:

I don't hate the trade with KC. Seemed like they were going to get Worthy regardless and we took a 3rd rounder from them in the process. 

If they were going to get Worthy regardless then why did they trade up for him 🤔 

[Gugny]

9 minutes ago, SaulGoodman said:

 

This was one of the rare times that Buffalo had control over what KC does. And they handed them the player they coveted, gift-wrapped.

So Beane was supposed to draft a player he didn’t want just to prevent another team from getting said player?

 

That is cutting your nose off to spite your face. 

[pigpen65]

Bills fans are either underestimating or in denial about how bad of shape the roster is in. The Miller contract really ***** them. The roster needs help everywhere. There isn't one positional group that is fully stocked outside of QB. In reality Beane should have sold at the deadline last year to accumulate the picks. But they need lots and lots of help. This is a rebuild year. 

Edited April 26 by pigpen65

[NoSaint]

Just now, schoolhouserock said:

The trade with KC was a good one.

 

The Bills should have taken Legette at 32. The trade with Carolina is the one I don’t like.

Yea but that’s just a player evaluation difference and those happen 
 

if we like Mitchell more and flip flopped, so be it, right? Conceptually it’s not catastrophic unless you are really into the option year

 

if we decide to go defense and wait til 60 for WR I’m right there with you

[Sweats]

I was honestly a little pissed off last night cause i stayed up till 11:30 knowing i had to get up early in the morning for a work meeting and nothing much happened in the first round, but now that i had a chance to catch some zzzzzzzzzzz's in the office this morning, i'm feeling good about what Beane did last night.

 

He created some draft pick capital with great value and i'm sure he's got a plan going forward.

[BarleyNY]

11 minutes ago, SaulGoodman said:

 

This was one of the rare times that Buffalo had control over what KC does. And they handed them the player they coveted, gift-wrapped.

Yep. For all those saying that KC would’ve probably gotten him anyway, it’s important to note that we were the ones that made sure they did. 

[Bangarang]

2 minutes ago, TheWeatherMan said:

If they were going to get Worthy regardless then why did they trade up for him 🤔 

 

I imagine they would've moved up to 29 or 30. 

[Bills!Win!]

The bills have enough draft picks to trade up and pick McConkey and Mitchell 

[NoSaint]

11 minutes ago, Gugny said:

So Beane was supposed to draft a player he didn’t want just to prevent another team from getting said player?

 

That is cutting your nose off to spite your face. 

or much more reasonably you could just trade him to another suitor as clearly the chiefs thought someone wanted him before they could get him 

Edited April 26 by NoSaint

[Slippery Rubber Mats]

6 minutes ago, DapperCam said:

I think the board was calling for Rosen over Allen. Gotta include the hits and misses to be fair.

 

The meltdowns here about Rosen sound a whole lot like the meltdowns around here now. EMOTIONS ARE HIGH

[TheyCallMeAndy]

Went from 2 top-100 picks to 3 top-100 picks and sacrificed Worthy and Leggette to do it.
 

Still plenty of impact WRs to be had. 

[Alphadawg7]

58 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

They could. Equally someone else could have traded into #28 (we know the Bills had other calls - Beane told us so) and other teams could have called Dallas, Baltimore, San Fran as well had Worthy still been there. 

 

I think it is more likely than not that they'd have got him anyway. But it isn't a complete given. And I do think there is a principle question about whether you should ever be in the market to help them. Put it this way, if he ends up a stud in KC l this trade will put some pressure on Beane. 

 

I don't mind the outcome, because I am sceptical about Worthy as a #1 receiver. But I think there are legit questions about whether as a point of principle it is the right process. 

I get what you are saying…but…What is the alternative though?  The only way to block KC from getting him is to take him ourselves.  So should Bills have taken a guy they didn’t want to block KC from getting him?  And let’s say we did, or we took someone else or traded with someone else and KC missed out on Worthy?  The result would have been Legette sitting there for KC or even Mitchell or Franklin too…all IMHO better WR prospects in the first place who all have top end speed themselves.  Not to mention McConkey who everyone was terrified of KC getting a week ago.
 

I just think that anyone thinking we needed to play defense there with the plethora of WRs still on the board is being unrealistic.

 

At least by trading, we took away their 3rd round pick which in itself weakens them as they still need help pretty badly at CB, OL, etc.  And that 3rd we took becomes a valuable piece for us where Beane has been maybe the best GM in the NFL since becoming GM on drafting in the mid rounds or using those picks to maneuver to get what he wants.

 

All in all, there was zero Beane could do to keep KC from landing speed at WR at pick 32, whether it was Worthy or not.  At least Worthy isn’t strong, meaning in the cold playoff games in bad weather his best attributes will be easier neutralized too.  
 

So this was best case scenario, for us to take away their 3rd for our use as they were getting a fast WR regardless in 4 picks.  

Edited April 26 by Alphadawg7

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

4 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

I’ll see who we get with their 3rd rd pick and then decide. Gunner didn’t even have a 1st rd grade on Xavier worthy. Neither did Joe Marino. Chiefs would likely have taken him at 32 regardless. Bills clearly didn’t want him at 28. His nfl.com draft profile grade says “might eventually become an average starter” …

 

Stop with all the rational thoughts about a one hundred and sixty-pound receiver

 

[H2o]

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/brandon-beane-on-trade-with-chiefs-didnt-matter-to-us-who-they-were-picking

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“I could see them taking a receiver but you don’t truly know. . . . But where they were moving from, I don’t think it mattered to us who they were picking,” Beane said, via Matt Parrino of NewYorkUpstate.com. “Now we’ve got the two 2s, a 3, a 4 and four 5s. I think that gives us a chance to fill some roles or use ammo to move around again, depending on how the board falls.”

The guy the Chiefs drafted, the Bills didn't want. Despite all of the tears flowing around here like the Chiefs were just handed Tyreek Hill 2.0 (a guy whose only accolade thus far is just the fastest recorded 40 time, but nothing on the field), the Bills brass did not give a single  who the Chiefs selected. Beane got what he wanted. You Nancy's need to get over it already. 

[GunnerBill]

3 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

I get what you are saying…but…What is the alternative though?  The only way to block KC from getting him is to take him ourselves.  So should Bills have taken a guy they didn’t want to block KC from getting him?  And let’s say we did, or we took someone else or traded with someone else and KC missed out on Worthy?  The result would have been Legette sitting there for KC or even Mitchell or Franklin too…all IMHO better WR prospects in the first place who all have top end speed themselves.  
 

I just think that anyone thinking we needed to play defense there with the plethora of WRs still on and he board is being unrealistic.

 

At least by trading, we took away their 3rd round pick which in itself weakens them as they still need help pretty badly at CB, OL, etc.  And that 3rd we took becomes a valuable piece for us where Beane has been maybe the best GM in the NFL since becoming GM on drafting in the mid rounds or using those picks to maneuver to get what he wants.

 

All in all, there was zero Beane could do to keep KC from landing speed at WR at pick 32, whether it was Worthy or not.  At least Worthy isn’t strong, meaning in the cold playoff games in bad weather his best attributes will be easier neutralized too.  
 

So this was best case scenario, for us to take away their 3rd for our use as they were getting a fast WR regardless in 4 picks.  

 

I am certianly not saying take a guy just to keep another team from getting him. But the same as teams generally don't trade in division I would try not to trade with KC.

[Success]

Secretly, I was kind of hoping they'd trade up into the top 10 for one of the top WR's.

 

But, that would be pretty careless given our situation.  JA is getting paid now - we need more picks, not fewer.  Beane is playing it smart.

 

[Alphadawg7]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I am certianly not saying take a guy just to keep another team from getting him. But the same as teams generally don't trade in division I would try not to trade with KC.

I get that, but each trade is in a vacuum with individual circumstances.  And in this case, the correct move was to strip KC of a 3rd as there was nothing Bills could to keep KC from getting a top WR prospect with top end speed and more than likely they still get the same player anyway.  
 

If Bills were picking 12th and we gave KC a shot at an elite prospect that was head and shoulders above the other ones on the board, then yes, don’t do that trade.  
 

But in this case, taking away their 3rd was a win for us in every way you can analyze the trade.

[GunnerBill]

15 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

or much more reasonably you could just trade him to another suitor as clearly the chiefs thought someone wanted him before they could get him 

 

And we KNOW Beane had other calls. Do we KNOW that those teams were calling because they wanted Worthy? No. But the Chiefs was not the only offer. I don't buy the "the only way to keep him out of the Chiefs grasp was to pick him" narrative as though it is fact. It may well be the case but we don't know that. 

[Beck Water]

One of the things I like about Beane is there's very little pissing and moaning about the hand he's been dealt.

He looks at his cards, decides what he needs to get what he wants, and wheels and deals accordingly.

 

In this case, he dealt our 3rd round pick to help us be competitive after injuries during the season - and it worked.  But then the NFL screwed us on the comp pick formula, left us without the 3rd we expected, and was deaf to appeals.  So Beane shrugged, rolled up his sleeves, and figured out what he needed to do.

 

I remember all too well the days of Buddy Nix moaning on the catfished cell phone call about how the Bills "only had 6 picks - what can you do with 6 picks?"

 

Beane may be right, he may be wrong, but if he goes down, he's going to go down trying to make a difference.

Edited April 26 by Beck Water