mrags Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 I’m a Hard no because I would never get rid of Josh. But in actuality it probably makes for a great deal. could trade the 1 pick likely to many teams for multiple first rd picks. Even some team in the top 10 would give up their 1st, 2nd, and at least next years 1st. It’s possible you could come away with 2 of the top 3 WRs, in rookie deals, with 5th year options. Could still get some of the top positions in the draft at any other positions in rd2. And could walk away with at least 3 first round picks next year. i admittedly haven’t researched any QBs in this draft to know who’s really good or not. But I can tell you for a fact, that I would not pick Williams. I think he’s a head case and will end up being a problem at the very least because of it. That juice is not worth the squeeze if you ask me. Personally I think he’ll be a bust. So if you had the #1 pick, and he was on the board I would likely trade back for extra picks and look to the top QB next year. Still probably grabbing one in rd 2 this year, with some of those extra picks. in theory it makes a ton of sense 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your Brown Eye Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 No, I would need more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbRiddick Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 I wouldn't trade Joshua in exchange for the safety of my children and wives. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChattanoogaBills Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 I had forgot that Caleb Williams took a picture in a red dress so I changed my vote to yes.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweats Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 35 minutes ago, SoTier said: I'm undecided if you're trolling or if you simply refuse to admit, even to yourself, that you've said/wrote/posted something really stupid, so you have to defend that indefensible position to the death. Brandon Beane has better things to do than waste even a nanosecond on considering a trade offer for Josh Allen ... that's supposing that some other GM has wasted even a nanosecond thinking that the Bills would accept any offer for him. Nothing I've posted is stupid......it just depends on the mentality of the person reading it. Beane is obviously not sitting around contemplating trade offers for JA, but if the right trade was dumped in his lap, are you telling me he wouldn't even consider it? Are you saying that he would just hang up the phone without seeing what was offered?........or maybe it doesn't get even that far cause maybe he won't even answer the phone. I'm not saying that JA is or ever will be trade bait, but at the end of the day, every player at every position is expendable for a price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweats Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 53 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Lets recap: You post a trade scenario for probably the most loved player in Western NY sports history. A player that has averaged 5100 yards and 44 TD's and been a perennial MVP candidate for 4 straight years still in his prime on a discount compared to other top paid QB's in the league. Then you use compensation that is GROSSLY undervaluing him that has NO possibility of ever being considered by anyone within the Bills organization. Then you compound it by telling the doubters here that you "100% guaranteeing" that BOTH the offers have come in and that Beane HAS considered trading him because you know "business". So I am not sure what is worse...your original never gonna happen trade offer or that you thought this would go better around here lol 1) I posted nothing about a trade scenario for anyone, let's get that straight. I simply said that if the right offer came along, you can't tell me Beane wouldn't consider it. 2) JA is my favorite Bills player from any era 3) i have zero idea what you're talking about on this point.......kind of feels like you're making this one up to validate your moot point that you have nothing else to add to this, so you just throw a point in there to make it look more official 4) Wow.....you are a piece of work on this point, just making stuff up now. I said that Beane would consider an offer if the right deal came along for his due diligence. I'm sure he has probably heard offers over the past 6 years. Just making **** up to suit your own narratives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 When we get onto hypotheticals about trading Josh … think it’s telling me that the pre draft commentary has just about ran its course…. And we desperately need to get this draft in the books and move on 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 7 hours ago, EmotionallyUnstable said: Chicago Bears get: Josh Allen Buffalo Bills get: #1, #9, 2025 1st and 2nd If not, what would it take? Everybody’s got a price! any team that gets josh....is never picking in the Top 10 again.....for real if Josh was off the bills....we'd be lucky to win 6 games so, the only premium pick is this years #1 & maybe #9 NONE of these QB's will be as good as josh....the only advantage is resetting the $45-50 mil QB cap market i'm NOT doing it for two 1st's and 2 seconds. what's my price ??......call me when it's five 1st's and five 2nd's 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGFOOTspaceman Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 3 hours ago, Sweats said: You fit right in around here then. 😂 My experience has been a mixed bag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant Aldo Raine Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 I voted yes to get Allen out of Buffalo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGFOOTspaceman Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 15 minutes ago, papazoid said: any team that gets josh....is never picking in the Top 10 again.....for real if Josh was off the bills....we'd be lucky to win 6 games so, the only premium pick is this years #1 & maybe #9 NONE of these QB's will be as good as josh....the only advantage is resetting the $45-50 mil QB cap market i'm NOT doing it for two 1st's and 2 seconds. what's my price ??......call me when it's five 1st's and five 2nd's My point exactly...It's a franchise crippling price for short term success. Al Davis is the only one who would do it and he's dead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aimee75 Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 7 hours ago, Doc said: LOL! What jokers voted “yes”? Trolls, self loathers and people in this forum that are fans of other teams but pretending to be Bills fans. You can spot them pretty easily. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 10 minutes ago, Sweats said: 1) I posted nothing about a trade scenario for anyone, let's get that straight. I simply said that if the right offer came along, you can't tell me Beane wouldn't consider it. 2) JA is my favorite Bills player from any era 3) i have zero idea what you're talking about on this point.......kind of feels like you're making this one up to validate your moot point that you have nothing else to add to this, so you just throw a point in there to make it look more official 4) Wow.....you are a piece of work on this point, just making stuff up now. I said that Beane would consider an offer if the right deal came along for his due diligence. I'm sure he has probably heard offers over the past 6 years. Just making **** up to suit your own narratives. Ummmmmmm....These You? 👇 7 hours ago, Sweats said: This is a tough one....on one hand, you have the 2nd best QB in the league, but on the other hand, there are some quality QB's in this draft.....unproven, yes, but every QB is unproven when coming out of college and playing their first season in the NFL. I voted yes, only because if you can get enough draft capital in the next 2 years, you could actually build something special. It seems we're just piecemealing a roster together the past couple of years, but if you can create a structured foundation, you can have a somewhat juggernaut for years to come.....all on a rookie salary. Would i want this to happen?......probably not, but i wouldn't be upset with it. 5 hours ago, Sweats said: Dude, this doesn't even make sense, but i'll humor you.........Mahomo is a multi-SB winning champion, they ain't letting him go at any cost. We've got the 2nd best QB in the league with very little team around him. If the opportunity comes up to build a whole roster through structural foundation, all on a rookie deal, you have to at least consider it......i guarantee you that our FO have done their due diligence and have at least thought about it......albeit, probably as just a passing glance, but i'm sure the notion has come up, as i'm sure it comes up with every franchise with a legit QB. Now, whether they ever act on it is another story. 4 hours ago, Sweats said: And yet again, oh so close, but it was a shoot and a miss........franchises are not going to trade their best asset, im sure we can agree on that, however, i can guarantee you that they have at least considered it. That is called Business 101, son......(i'll dumb it down a little here)....it's called asset vs. acquisition. Every team in the league has gone through the scenario of the "do the gains exceed the need". Every franchise has considered a trade of their best asset in terms of gain from the deal.......none ever do it, as it is franchise suicide, however, in order for them to do their due diligence, every possible scenario is on the table. 4 hours ago, Sweats said: And i can guarantee that you are wrong. 3 hours ago, Sweats said: Fans don't ever want to admit this, but everything is negotiable, and everything has a price. You can't tell me that Beane already hasn't gotten 8-12 (and even that is probably low) trade scenarios across his desk for JA from other franchises and of course his answer will be no, but offers are considered every day, not every offer is acted upon. The FO will do their due diligence and consider every offer or trade, but that doesn't mean they will accept any........this, my friends, is business. JA is a Bill.....he isn't going anywhere. Wow, disillusioned. 100% chance Beane has considered trading JA, if the right scenario comes across his desk.........that's business, son. 2 hours ago, Sweats said: 1) It's a lazy and irresponsible response to even think that every single player in the NFL is untouchable, that every single player is above an offer or trade, that every single player is of god-like status to their franchise 2) Maybe Beane has never considered trading JA, but he would if the right deal came along, i can assure you that 3) Can you guarantee that no other team since 2018 hasn't called the Bills asking Beane if he has a price or trade value on JA?.....so you're telling me that Beane hasn't gotten even one phone call from 31 other teams about what it would take to let JA walk?........wow, just wow guy. 4) Yes, it takes 2 to make a deal, however, that's if the deal is made.....it only takes one to offer the deal 5) Would any franchise in their right minds want to offer the deal/money/trade capital for what it would take to get JA?.......probably not, but you know there's some fairly stupid franchises out there (i'm looking at you Browns, Jets, etc.) and stupid deals are done in this league all the time......nothing surprises me anymore, including a blind delusional fanbase with very little business insight. I have spoken. 21 minutes ago, Sweats said: Nothing I've posted is stupid......it just depends on the mentality of the person reading it. Beane is obviously not sitting around contemplating trade offers for JA, but if the right trade was dumped in his lap, are you telling me he wouldn't even consider it? Are you saying that he would just hang up the phone without seeing what was offered?........or maybe it doesn't get even that far cause maybe he won't even answer the phone. I'm not saying that JA is or ever will be trade bait, but at the end of the day, every player at every position is expendable for a price. I mean...you have said everything you are claiming you didn't say in these posts...and even in these last couple starting to contradict your previous 100% guarantees that he has had offers and had consider them. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweats Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 7 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Ummmmmmm....These You? 👇 I mean...you have said everything you are claiming you didn't say in these posts...and even in these last couple starting to contradict your previous 100% guarantees that he has had offers and had consider them. I have contradicted nothing. I voted yes because everything is negotiable and everything has a price. Would any franchise want to pay the capital involved in wanting JA?....probably not, but you can't rule anything out. Would Beane do his due diligence and at least listen to a decent offer?......probably, but we all know the answer is no. A franchise is a business and they need to see all sides from all angles and consider every scenario for every situation. ........what is your actual point here cause so far, you've been talking out your ass all day and in fact, i would probably get more meaningful conversation from that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 6 minutes ago, Sweats said: I have contradicted nothing. I voted yes because everything is negotiable and everything has a price. Would any franchise want to pay the capital involved in wanting JA?....probably not, but you can't rule anything out. Would Beane do his due diligence and at least listen to a decent offer?......probably, but we all know the answer is no. A franchise is a business and they need to see all sides from all angles and consider every scenario for every situation. ........what is your actual point here cause so far, you've been talking out your ass all day and in fact, i would probably get more meaningful conversation from that. Well you denied saying things you said...so I was just pointing that out. Point is...you have told multiple people here now that you guarantee that Beane has gotten as many as a dozen trade offers for Allen and you 100% guarantee Beane has considered trading Allen. And then you acted surprised when people pushed back on that notion. And in some posts you say you 100% guarantee those things...and in other posts when referencing if it really happened you say things like "probably not". So not sure you understand contradiction if you think those things are not contradicting themselves. But I do agree that a conversation with my rectum would be more meaningful than discussing if Beane has actually considered trading Josh Allen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 If the Bills made that trade for that return, then they deserve to lose the franchise. At least this thread helped highlight posters to add to the ignore list lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 (edited) I would need their 1st, 2nd and 3rd round picks for the next 5 Drafts to even consider it. Edited April 17 by Victory Formation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 3 hours ago, papazoid said: any team that gets josh....is never picking in the Top 10 again.....for real if Josh was off the bills....we'd be lucky to win 6 games so, the only premium pick is this years #1 & maybe #9 NONE of these QB's will be as good as josh....the only advantage is resetting the $45-50 mil QB cap market i'm NOT doing it for two 1st's and 2 seconds. what's my price ??......call me when it's five 1st's and five 2nd's At the time of the draft last year did you think CJ Stroud was as good as Josh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said: At the time of the draft last year did you think CJ Stroud was as good as Josh? not then, not now, likely never there are many ways to judge a QB, here's a couple neutral parties.... ESPN's total QBR ranks Josh #3 and CJ #15 PFF who analyzes every player and every play of every game ranks josh #1 and CJ #13 Edited April 17 by papazoid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToGoGo Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 I actually don’t think there is a price. Not for 10 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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