Why does Beane get a pass?

[Cray51]

1 hour ago, Sharky7337 said:

Von miller contract - ACL tears took away what was a VERY promising start for Von in a Bills uniform

Dawson Knox contract - Worth the money until we drafted Kincaid, and worked out a new deal for Knox so it really didnt impact anything

Stephen diggs contract - No credit for bringing him in when he was available from Minny?

Defense line draft picks that never pan out - Rousseau is looking to be solid for his draft position, and Oliver is great

Defense tackle signings that are not good enough - Jones was a great signing

No reliable pass rusher - See Von

Wyatt Teller give away - Different schemes and good teams lose good players.  Teller was a missed opportunity but it happens to good team

Edmunds - What's the problem here?  He drafted him, and let him go and replaced him with a very solid and cheap in house option...

 

Just curious why he is so highly regarded when these issues have come to roost fully

I could really just say: 4 straight division titles after making the playoffs ONCE in the previous 25 years...

[SoonerBillsFan]

2 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

He got an extension cause of 17 nothing more nothing less 

No, he got an extension because Terry likes and believes in him.  So again he is only on limited time with a few fans,not the owner.

[Mikie2times]

OP, if it's any consolation the same posters who are roasting you also roasted anybody who said something was up with Diggs.  

[BarleyNY]

29 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Why should they have to tell the public that.  They run it the way they run it.  Beane should get credit for the good things he does and criticism for the bad things like anyone else.  Given they are a perennial playoff team there have been more good moves than bad.

 

I didn’t say they had to tell anyone, just that it is very out of the ordinary and odd. Why wouldn’t a team be transparent about it? I guess it rubs me wrong for this reason: Beane is the GM. If he has final say then I see no reason at all to not tell the public. But if it’s McDermott, then it’s a problem because Beane winds up taking the heat for decisions he’s getting stuck with. That would be dysfunctional. 

 

Edited to add: Gunner just posted that he has seen it states that Beane has final roster authority. If that’s the case, then I’m good with laying the blame and kudos for roster decisions at Beane’s feet. I just haven’t seen anything definitive on the matter myself. 

Edited April 5 by BarleyNY

[billsfan714]

23 minutes ago, GETTOTHE50 said:

he doesnt leave any stone unturned and takes calculated shots/gambles.

 

hes the best GM in bills history and i hope we never lose him.

 

he has what it takes. hes one of the few surgeons of a GM in the league.

Until he gets to one superbowl, let alone 4, no he's not.

[Don Otreply]

48 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

For all that money spent he got half a season out of Von (okay unlucky) and good production out of Jones. But that is a LOT of dollars down the drain. The right moves that summer we overtook KC. Unfortunately the moves we made were not what was required and wasted our last bit of cap flex in that first window. 

Be that as it may, Beanes moves are still SOP, team dump under performing players,  it’s barely news, happens with monotonous regularity in the NFL, me, not worried in the slightest, We will still win the AFCE, and go to the post season, jmo, feel free to disagree, but that’s my feelings on this, 

[BarleyNY]

24 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

They have said Beane has authority over personnel and both he and McDermott report to Pegula. That is public and on the record. No mystery about it. Fans speculate about who has more power in the relationship and I agree it is McDermott but also when you speak to people who have been in that building including one at a high level what they say is the same as the public line - Beane runs personnel and he makes those decisions.

 

I appreciate that information. I’ve looked for it, but have never found anything definitive that states which of them has final roster authority. 

[Don Otreply]

5 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

OP, if it's any consolation the same posters who are roasting you also roasted anybody who said something was up with Diggs.  

Okay, we are gonna trade Beane for a pick next year…, 

[oldmanfan]

2 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

 

I didn’t say they had to tell anyone, just that it is very out of the ordinary and odd. Why wouldn’t a team be transparent about it? I guess it rubs me wrong for this reason: Beane is the GM. If he has final say then I see no reason at all to not tell the public. But if it’s McDermott, then it’s a problem because Beane winds up taking the heat for decisions he’s getting stuck with. That would be dysfunctional. 

I’m not so sure it’s out of the ordinary.  Would have to compare to other teams.

[Cray51]

26 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

It isn't a dig at Beane overall. But they blew that 2022 offseason. There is no question. Yes he found some good contributors in the draft but equally - running back, linebacker and slot receiver are what some might call low hanging fruit. It was a bad offseason. No way around it.

To be fair, that class was pretty poor at the positions that we needed. 

 

WR?  No impact signings other than maybe Juju, who chose the Chiefs.  Kirk signed for way over our limit

DT?  Suh was a cheap option but he went where he wanted.  We did sign Jones who has earned a second deal

Von was unfortunate, but almost every top signing that year has been a miss

 

Some good RB options, but it really doesn't look like a good FA group after a few years.

 

 

[Virgil]

1 hour ago, Sharky7337 said:

Von miller contract

Dawson Knox contract

Stephen diggs contract

Defense line draft picks that never pan out

Defense tackle signings that are not good enough

No reliable pass rusher 

Wyatt Teller give away

Edmunds 

 

Just curious why he is so highly regarded when these issues have come to roost fully

 

Von miller contract - Most were on board at the time, and he was living up to it until he got hurt.  No issues for me, just bad luck

Dawson Knox contract - I agree this was a bit high and a future contract.  No one knew Kincaid would be coming.  Knox restructured and gave money back.  No issues

Stephen diggs contract - No one had an issue at the time.  He fell off a cliff earlier than expected and no one thought he was going to push his way out.  

Defense line draft picks that never pan out - AJ just re-signed, Oliver got an extension.  Groot is getting picked up.  Are you just referring to Boogie?

Defense tackle signings that are not good enough - Um, Jones?

No reliable pass rusher - Until injuries, we had one of the best past rush in the league last year.  As people got healthy, the pass rush came back

Wyatt Teller give away - Seriously?  This has been addressed multiple times.

Edmunds - Did you want to pay him that much money as the Bears did?  If anything, Beane got a full 5 years out of him, a comp pick, and quietly upgraded with a replacement draft pick.  That's the life of the NFL sometimes

[GunnerBill]

6 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

Be that as it may, Beanes moves are still SOP, team dump under performing players,  it’s barely news, happens with monotonous regularity in the NFL, me, not worried in the slightest, We will still win the AFCE, and go to the post season, jmo, feel free to disagree, but that’s my feelings on this, 

 

No I think we will win the AFCE and make the playoffs too. But when we ask why haven't we made that final step and won a Championship that set of moves in 2022 looms large IMO.

[Buffalo Boy]

1 hour ago, Fan in San Diego said:

Knox

Cap’n Stonehands, Davis’ bigger brother?

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

1 hour ago, Logic said:

The Bills have won the 2nd most games in the league since 2020.

They've won four straight division titles.

The only possible reason to say he "deserves" criticism is because they haven't won a title. But if that's the case, then 31 GMs every single year deserve criticism.

Looking at moves in a vacuum for any GM across the league, you're going to see some moves that worked and some that didn't. No GM is immune to mistakes. But looking at the total output and production of a team gives you a sense of what kind of job the team's architect has done. The fact remains that only the Chiefs have won more games than the Bills since 2020, that they've won their division four years in a row, and that they are contenders year in and year out.

You want perfection? Go watch a Kurosawa film or listen to a Betthoven sonata. 

Beane is a very good GM.

P.S. Brandon Beane DOES receive criticism, and if you don't see it, then you're not looking in the right places. Go turn on ESPN, Fox Sports 1, or listen to any drive time football radio show, and you'll hear scores of criticism of Beane and his Bills. Heck, the buzziest phrase in football the past two season has been "the Bills window is closed".

If you're angry at Brandon Beane and want to criticize him, then just say that. Don't manufacture an immunity to criticism that he does not actually possess.

 

And then came back  and won the AFC East and #2 seed

[LABILLBACKER]

Beane has had his hiccups but for the most part he's been a very good GM.  He'll make the appropriate moves later this month to land us 2 quality wrs.  And I'm sure Dawson & Von will be June 1st casualties next year. Remember there will be several quality wrs hitting fa and resetting the market next March. 

[billieve420]

For any mistakes or perceived mistake's Beane has made. They are erased by him finding a Franchise QB in Allen. It isn't easy winning a Super Bowl and when you have a Dynasty in your conference it is that much harder.

 

Despite not winning a Super Bowl. Team has been successful making the playoffs annually and generally being regarded one of the top teams in the league.

Edited April 5 by billieve420

[B-Man]

1 hour ago, Sharky7337 said:

Von miller contract

Dawson Knox contract

Stephen diggs contract

Defense line draft picks that never pan out

Defense tackle signings that are not good enough

No reliable pass rusher 

Wyatt Teller give away

Edmunds 

 

Just curious why he is so highly regarded when these issues have come to roost fully

 

I'm not sure where you are looking.

 

but he hasn't been "given a pass"

 

Criticism has been raised on all the Bills boards and in the media.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

/

[78thealltimegreat]

20 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

No, he got an extension because Terry likes and believes in him.  So again he is only on limited time with a few fans,not the owner.

No he wouldn’t be employed if he selected any player not named Josh Allen in 2018 and that includes Lamar Jackson. 

[Mikie2times]

14 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

Okay, we are gonna trade Beane for a pick next year…, 

We have in most peoples eyes a HOF QB and enough players acquired by Beane that we have 4 pages of justifying his actions. A coach, who many of the same people in this thread defend until the bitter end.

 

So why is it again that our ceiling is a Wild Card win and Division championship in a trash division?

 

Did we not just miss pretty badly in our first attempt to go all in with the cap? 

Did we not miss in passing on a guy like Hopkins for peanuts in comparison?

Not drafting more weapons for Josh?

Not prioritizing the offensive line for several years?

 

He's a solid GM. The OP didn't say we should get rid of him. He said should he get a pass? The answer is no. He has hand in this and deserves being critiqued like any other member who has a hand in this.    

Edited April 5 by Mikie2times

[Buffalo Boy]

1 hour ago, Sharky7337 said:

Von miller contract

Dawson Knox contract

Stephen diggs contract

Defense line draft picks that never pan out

Defense tackle signings that are not good enough

No reliable pass rusher 

Wyatt Teller give away

Edmunds 

 

Just curious why he is so highly regarded when these issues have come to roost fully

    Careful about criticizing their leaders!!

That doesn’t go well here😂

   I think Beane has done an above average job and is a solid GM. I don’t think he’s stellar though.

   My biggest complaint is having allowed McD to dictate so many D pickups . Some will jump on this and ask “ Where’s the proof?” But it seems too obvious the onus that has been put on building out the D from the get go. Von Miller was a semi trash signing at the time and in hindsight a disaster.

   A multi generational talent at QB and he has been given sub par o lines and sub par rushing help. The Diggs signing was brilliant but that opportunity/window was squandered.  
   Beane needs to use all his picks and hit of a few Receivers and a safety this draft. He doesn’t need to give away multiple firsts and more for a single receiver, not in a draft this deep at the position with all the needs we have.