billsfan89 Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 1 minute ago, Billy Claude said: I know it is "up to" 6.5 million but doesn't that mean he will at least get a long look at starting? The only spot where he can really "compete" for is LG where David Edwards is. And I am fine if that's the competition as Edwards is the weakest link on the line on paper. Spencer Brown the last 10-12 games he played last season was a very good RT, Torrence was the best "pure guard" in the 2023 draft and he put in a good season, Collins isn't a center or a LT but Dawkins and McGovern have those spots on lock coming off career years. It's either a pure depth signing or he is going to compete with Edwards. That's fine I am good with either. Although I would like to see the Bills spend pick 60 on a top guard in the draft and plug in another cheap rookie and have Edwards and Collins as depth. But I don't think that's going to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeavercreekBillsFan Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 My biggest issue isn’t even the Diggs trade. I’m more angry about Beane nuking the best OL he’s given Josh since he got here. Tired of Josh having to run for his life and not having weapons. This year we get both. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Claude Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 5 minutes ago, CaptnCoke11 said: My guess is he’ll be the swing tackle Ok. Still seems like a lot of money for a guy who was out all last year and hasn't been any good for three years. 8 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Why? Ever ask yourself why ever WHy the bills telegraphed every sneak was over the LG now starting C. So why not keep him at tackle? Or are you saying Morse stank because they didn't run QB sneaks thru him? Obviously not Morse's strong suit but it's major revisionist history if people are saying he stank last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 (edited) 1 hour ago, Motorin' said: I think Van Demark looked bad on the right side. When did we ever see him on the right side? He played like, 3 snaps on the R side against the Giants. 22 minutes ago, Billy Claude said: I know it is "up to" 6.5 million but doesn't that mean he will at least get a long look at starting? Let's wait and see what the contract actually is. Key points are how much is guaranteed, how much is salary, and what are the incentives. Spencer Brown is set to be earning $3.585M this season. Edited April 4 by Beck Water 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFan Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 (edited) 10 minutes ago, BeavercreekBillsFan said: My biggest issue isn’t even the Diggs trade. I’m more angry about Beane nuking the best OL he’s given Josh since he got here. Tired of Josh having to run for his life and not having weapons. This year we get both. I understand where this is coming from, but I disagree as to the receivers. You can't hold on to declining aging players forever. Davis caught 55% of his targets. Diggs 67% overall, but 62% after week 6. Beane kept the 3 players that caught 80% plus in Shakir, Kincaid and Cook. He brought in a proven slot player in Samuel and now has the opportunity to upgrade Davis with a 1st rd talent. To me it looks like Allen is going to have a younger, faster and more talented overall group of pass catchers than he has ever had while in the NFL. How much better would the Bills have been had Diggs & Davis caught the ball at even a 70% clip? The math says easily another 10-12 catches and about 150 yards. Those yards might have won us the Philly game or one of the other close games earlier in the season. As to the offensive line, I was in your camp before the off-season. I am not fully on board with moving McGovern to center. However, Beane & Co, must truly believe that McGovern can be effective there and as others have pointed out there were issues on the line at the point of attack between McGovern and Morse. Edited April 4 by GASabresIUFan 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 *kazoo noise* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 1 hour ago, Logic said: This was the dude that was expected to go in the first round, but then had the legal issue pop up RIGHT before the draft, right? And after the first round came and went without him being drafted, his agent told/asked every NFL team NOT to draft him, as he wanted Collins to be able to pick his own team? Then every team obliged, and he signed a UDFA deal with Dallas? I remember being so mad at the Bills that year for not calling his agent's bluff and just drafting him in the 7th round. What could he have really done about it? Oh well. That's milk that was spilled a looooong time ago. And now, 9 years too late, he's a Bill. He'll be an interesting bit of trivia, along with former Bills Vince Young, Matt Leinart, and Reggie Bush. Yes, he was named in a murder investigation. The thought was that he wouldn't be named a suspect, but it was stil a fluid situation and no one knew for 100% certainty that nothing could possibly come from it. I think that had way more to do with no one Drafting him than the request itself. Even in Round 7, you don't want to be the team that has to stand up at a podium and explain to the public why they Drafted someone charged with Murder, knowing his name was involved in the case. 1 hour ago, The Jokeman said: Could be a Darryl Williams type signing. Yet going to be hard to break into our starting 5 if ask me. He's depth. A swing Tackle with versatility to also be a Backup Guard. Lots of people are posting he's toast. And yes, he's at a point in his career where you don't want to start him 17 games every down. But when it comes to a Backup Lineman, you can do a lot worse. Backup OT is a lot like Backup QB. There isn't even a solid 64 Starters in the League. You're always looking at the Ryan Quessenberry, Germain Ifedi, Bobby Hart's of the world. Taking a guy who played at a high level starter and using him in spot duty or in part of a season if someone were to get hurt for a little while, hopefully allows him to be fresh and play better when you need him. But he's definitely not a Daryl Williams type guy that you view as a potential starter. 1 hour ago, Warriorspikes51 said: This was my first thought 😂 He's the only player so far who said anything to Diggs that I saw 🤣 HE MUST GO! When you pose something as a joke that you'd actually be happy about. You've talked about it in the past and even talked about trading away Matt Milano yesterday in your obsession to acquire pieces to trade into the Top 10 of the Draft. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 41 minutes ago, Paup 1995MVP said: Do you think they told him when he signed, " We like you. But we don't want to have to play you?" Do you think they told him he's in competion for a starting position? Or that he's in competion for a backup role? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Billy Claude said: Ok. Still seems like a lot of money for a guy who was out all last year and hasn't been any good for three years. So why not keep him at tackle? Or are you saying Morse stank because they didn't run QB sneaks thru him? Obviously not Morse's strong suit but it's major revisionist history if people are saying he stank last season. I am saying Morse play and push declined. He couldn’t anchor anymore. Reality is it was time to move on. I said what I said. Question I have why does my comment make you think I said he “stank” who are you benching at Tackle Brown or Dawkins. There is a possible position he can secure at LG? Edited April 4 by MAJBobby 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 9 minutes ago, Beck Water said: When did we ever see him on the right side? He played like, 3 snaps on the R side against the Giants. Let's wait and see what the contract actually is. Key points are how much is guaranteed, how much is salary, and what are the incentives. Spencer Brown is set to be earning $3.585M this season. In preseason, and he was bad at RT. Which is why I don't think view Van Demark as a swing tackle, but the backup LT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterStrategist Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 9 minutes ago, BeavercreekBillsFan said: My biggest issue isn’t even the Diggs trade. I’m more angry about Beane nuking the best OL he’s given Josh since he got here. Tired of Josh having to run for his life and not having weapons. This year we get both. How exactly did we "nuke" the OL? Morse was slightly above average some games, but mostly average. McGovern, Dawkins, Torrence and Brown return. Edwards as well. Yes Connor likely moves to C. But that could be a very good thing. Morse didn't hold up against 3-4 style, or anytime DT was in a 0 or 1i technique. Edwards and Collins battle it out for LG. Combined OL is just as good, if not better. With Torrence likely improving and Brown as well. We haven't even had the draft and you're prognisticating a bad WR room. Let's see what happens in draft to start. 1st round WR and double dipping sometime later, and all of a sudden we might have a more diverse group since 2020 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirAndrew Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 I really do like Beane, but he needs to get over his love of aging big name players. It’s just a waste money. I’d rather bring in guys with the potential to improve. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 (edited) Yeah was not told he is just a Swing OT. They I am sure told him you get first shot at LG. Edited April 4 by MAJBobby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 54 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: Dang, I can’t believe my “Buddy, git r done” from 2015 has come to fruition now! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 Now draft a Center. 😎 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 Hell compete with David Edwards at LG duties. RVD is Dawkins backup. Collins bumps out to RT if there is an injury to Brown 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikePJ76 Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 seems like this is the guard backup...if he makes the team he can play tackle or guard in a pinch if someone is hurt. they now have a veteran who can back up at center and a veteran who can back up at guard tackle. the issue with collins is he is known to be lazy and has a hip issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 This is a strong IOL draft - bizarre move but on-brand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juno999 Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 47 minutes ago, Motorin' said: In preseason, and he was bad at RT. Which is why I don't think view Van Demark as a swing tackle, but the backup LT. Players can and do improve year over year. Especially between year 1 and year 2. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nosejob Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 2 hours ago, MJS said: He surely isn't seen as a starter. Just a backup to compete for a roster spot, I guess. Future NYG starter via our P.S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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