Freddie's Dead Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 2 hours ago, ddaryl said: can't live in fear son.... I fear a vet who is about to get paid $30 milliuon a year not living up to the cost just the same Santayana GOODBYE!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 On 4/3/2024 at 12:38 PM, boyst said: Should they package a trade that would include this years first, next year's first and second to pick in the top 8 for a WR? That's too much for a WR, especially in a WR-rich class where there will likely be better WR prospects available in the bottom of the first and into the second round than there usually are available even the top half of the first rounds of most drafts. I'm not opposed to the Bills using #28, one of the 2025 seconds, and maybe one or two of the Day 3 picks to move up but NOT 2 firsts plus a second next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted April 4 Author Share Posted April 4 As of yesterday it was 75% yes As of noon 60% yes As of now it's 50% 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 3 minutes ago, boyst said: As of yesterday it was 75% yes As of noon 60% yes As of now it's 50% Take another blue pill. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 I am 90 percent yes with the other 10 percent also yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastport bills Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 Beane will trade up for a Wideout because the trade of Diggs netted us a fat zero for the 2024 season and a huge hole in the receiving corp.. I refuse to believe that he couldn’t have gotten a better offer after the draft or after June cuts. Why couldn’t we have demanded a starter from a team that was willing to pay 20million for a top ten receiver. We’ll see how our roster gets constructed going forward but you can bet Beane needs a top tier receiver in the draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 27 minutes ago, boyst said: As of yesterday it was 75% yes As of noon 60% yes As of now it's 50% The extra RD2 pick changes the way I view things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beebe Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 NEVER trade up for a wide receiver unless you have absolutely unmatched levels of conviction that he's gonna be a superstar. What have we seen in past drafts to suggest that NFL GM's are particularly skilled at properly rating receivers? 2023 WRs drafted in order: Smith-Njigba, Quentin Johnson, Zay Flowers, Jordan Addison. 2022 (in order): Drake London, Garrett Wilson, Chris Olave, Jameson Williams, Jahan Dotson, Treylon Burks 2021 (in order): Henry Ruggs, Jerry Jeudy, Ceedee Lamb, Jalen Reagor, Justin Jefferson, Brandon Aiyuk 2020 (in order): Jamarr Chase, Jaylen Waddle, Davonta Smith, Kadarius Toney, Rashod Bateman A few years prior, we saw Corey Davis, Mike Williams and John Ross all go top 10 in the draft. The year prior, Round 1 WRs consisted of Corey Coleman, Will Fuller, Josh Doctson, Laquan Treadwell. Kevin White was a semi recent top 10 WR. The Bills took Sammy Watkins fourth overall in 2014. I would obviously much rather draft 8th or 18th than 28th. But spending draft capital to move into those spots - which merely earns you the opportunity to guess wrong at extra cost - when you have a reasonable chance of getting someone just as good if not better later in the draft at no additional risk - doesn't seem like the correct move. Especially with a roster that could benefit from building depth at other positions. 3 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fergie's ire Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 6 minutes ago, beebe said: I would obviously much rather draft 8th or 18th than 28th. But spending draft capital to move into those spots - which merely earns you the opportunity to guess wrong at extra cost - when you have a reasonable chance of getting someone just as good if not better later in the draft at no additional risk - doesn't seem like the correct move. Especially with a roster that could benefit from building depth at other positions. I agree. My belief with the draft has always been that you don't get better players earlier in the draft. What you get is better odds that a player will be good. Harrison Jr. looks like a generational talent. But the last receiver I can think of who seemed to be that kind of talent, with physical tools and ability, was Sammy Watkins. He seemed like a sure thing. At that cost, and with a deep class, I think they're better off picking multiple receivers and increasing their odds that way. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 (edited) If the Vikings convince the Chargers to trade out of #5 (and the Chargers should be easily convinced), then the Bills should pull the trigger on trading up with the Giants to 6 and get Nabers. All for it. Giants should be into it since it gives them another 1st for next year when they will be in the QB market after they get out of Jones contract at the end of this season. Edited April 4 by DrDawkinstein 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 21 minutes ago, beebe said: NEVER trade up for a wide receiver unless you have absolutely unmatched levels of conviction that he's gonna be a superstar. What have we seen in past drafts to suggest that NFL GM's are particularly skilled at properly rating receivers? 2023 WRs drafted in order: Smith-Njigba, Quentin Johnson, Zay Flowers, Jordan Addison. 2022 (in order): Drake London, Garrett Wilson, Chris Olave, Jameson Williams, Jahan Dotson, Treylon Burks 2021 (in order): Henry Ruggs, Jerry Jeudy, Ceedee Lamb, Jalen Reagor, Justin Jefferson, Brandon Aiyuk 2020 (in order): Jamarr Chase, Jaylen Waddle, Davonta Smith, Kadarius Toney, Rashod Bateman A few years prior, we saw Corey Davis, Mike Williams and John Ross all go top 10 in the draft. The year prior, Round 1 WRs consisted of Corey Coleman, Will Fuller, Josh Doctson, Laquan Treadwell. Kevin White was a semi recent top 10 WR. The Bills took Sammy Watkins fourth overall in 2014. I would obviously much rather draft 8th or 18th than 28th. But spending draft capital to move into those spots - which merely earns you the opportunity to guess wrong at extra cost - when you have a reasonable chance of getting someone just as good if not better later in the draft at no additional risk - doesn't seem like the correct move. Especially with a roster that could benefit from building depth at other positions. To me, this list mostly illustrates that QBs make the WR draft picks. The ones who made it were the ones with the good/great QBs. The busts are a lot of Cleveland, Atlanta, Jets... With Josh at QB, whatever we invest in getting him better WR talent will see greater returns. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickelCity Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 (edited) I voted no because I don't think we can afford to get to the top three, and I don't think the next tier is a sure thing (Thomas Jr to a degree, and then Mitchell and Worthy who inactively don't want us to draft). Id be happy letting the draft fall to us. I'm good with legette at 28. I really like Wilson and McConkey. My pipe dream is two from those three. My heartbreaker guess is we'll get an early receiver (Legette) and get close to a shot at Jamari Thrash later on but he'll go before we can get there. Edited April 5 by NickelCity 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schoolhouserock Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 TBD is split! I voted no because I don’t want to give up next year’s 1st. Given the turnover this off-season, there is a reasonable chance that next year’s 1st could be the highest pick the Bills have had among the past few seasons. I think that future pick is more valuable than most are currently projecting. I think the Minnesota 2nd rounder is a very interesting piece. Most will likely project it to be at the top of the 2nd round and so it will have a reasonable trade value. The Minnesota 2nd rounder probably is not enough to get into the top 8 without the Bills’ future 1st… but perhaps it is enough to jump up to grab a Brian Thomas Jr? That I could see. I’d vote “yes” to a trade up, just not as high as proposed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted April 4 Author Share Posted April 4 1 hour ago, Gugny said: Take another blue pill. Another... How presumptuous! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaenon Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 Let's look at Top 15 WRs in the last handful of years. 2017 #5 - Corey Davis #7 - Mike Williams #9 - John Ross 2018 None 2019 None 2020 #12 Henry Riggs #15 Jerry Jeudy 2021 #5 Ja'Maar Chase (#1 WR) #6 Jaylen Waddle #10 DeVonta Smith 2022 #8 Drake London #10 Garret Wilson (#1 WR) #11 Chris Olave #12 Jameson Williams 2023 None It's not that impressive of a list. How many true #1s are on this list? 2? 2 in 7 years. Olave is fringe. Waddle is #2 to Hill, Smith is #2 to AJ Brown, and Mike Williams was #2 to Keenan Allen. You never know what's gonna happen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lagoon Blues Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 Wildly even at this moment...120-128. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 Are you guys going to be surprised when Justin Jefferson is in a Bills uni? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 3 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said: If the Vikings convince the Chargers to trade out of #5 (and the Chargers should be easily convinced), then the Bills should pull the trigger on trading up with the Giants to 6 and get Nabers. All for it. Giants should be into it since it gives them another 1st for next year when they will be in the QB market after they get out of Jones contract at the end of this season. As much as I think Nabers is the best WR in the draft, I think I would rather trade back and grab McConkey, Worthy or Leggett so we don’t gut next years draft, and seriously jeopardize the future of the team… 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 1 hour ago, Kaenon said: Let's look at Top 15 WRs in the last handful of years. 2017 #5 - Corey Davis #7 - Mike Williams #9 - John Ross 2018 None 2019 None 2020 #12 Henry Riggs #15 Jerry Jeudy 2021 #5 Ja'Maar Chase (#1 WR) #6 Jaylen Waddle #10 DeVonta Smith 2022 #8 Drake London #10 Garret Wilson (#1 WR) #11 Chris Olave #12 Jameson Williams 2023 None It's not that impressive of a list. How many true #1s are on this list? 2? 2 in 7 years. Olave is fringe. Waddle is #2 to Hill, Smith is #2 to AJ Brown, and Mike Williams was #2 to Keenan Allen. You never know what's gonna happen. Name the QBs all those guys went to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 On 4/3/2024 at 4:02 PM, Logic said: Don't be scared because the Sammy Watkins trade didn't work out. Look at the Julio Jones trade, which DID work out. Send a package of picks (including this year's and next year's 1st, plus a future 2nd and 4th, or whatever the value chart dictates) to Chicago for the 9th pick. Draft Rome Odunze. Allen has a blue chip, franchise WR on a cost controlled deal for five years. A top playmaker who can grow with Allen and be the driving force in this passing game for years to come. 100% agree w/ this. I'm surprised the OP poll is split close to 50/50. I thought everyone would be on board w/ a trade up. We're talking about getting a player who can be Allen's go-to for a decade, and give opposing DC's nightmares. They could be one of the legendary combo's of NFL history when all is said & done. I wouldn't compromise on that possibility. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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