Einstein Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 (edited) 28 minutes ago, mrags said: Sure. Go ahead and post 3 more playoff games from the 90s bills and tell me how well you did on resale for those games. In your mind, a 1990's Bills Playoff game = Regular season game in December after the team had lost 3 of our last 5 games? It was a regular season December game. Not a playoff game. I don't see the correlation. I’m sorry that you mispriced your tickets for night games. Quote First you talk about how little money people have and how we can’t afford PSLs but then talk about how well resale is. When you haven’t even done it in 2+ years. But your next post will be to point out that the majority of fans in the area live in mom’s basement and flip burgers for $15/hr and cannot afford tix. But yet the stadium is sold out every game, and there’s a 7k person waiting list. I never said you can't afford PSL's - I said PSL's will sell at a lower percentage rate as the team moves on to areas where fans with less income typically sit. In a completely separate conversation I spoke about how night games sold well. Those were two separate conversations not meant to be correlated. Your inability to follow the conversation is not my fault. To be honest, I think what is actually happening is that you are taking my analysis of the PSL situation to heart, as a personal affront to you. I assure you that it wasn't meant that way. I'm not judging your decision to purchase. Not at all. I didn't intend to hurt your feelings. I simply give my thoughts and that's it. You have every right to purchase a PSL and enjoy it. I hope you do. You can ignore me if you'd like - I wont take offense. Edited April 11 by Einstein Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 18 minutes ago, Einstein said: In your mind, a 1990's Bills Playoff game = Regular season game in December after the team had lost 3 of our last 5 games? I don't see the correlation. It was a regular season December game. Not a playoff game. I never said you can't afford PSL's - I said PSL's will sell at a lower percentage rate as the team moves on to areas where fans with less income typically sit. In a completely separate conversation I spoke about how night games sold well. I'm not sure why you equate that to the PSL talk. Your inability to follow the conversation is not my fault. To be honest, I think what is actually happening is that you are taking my analysis of the PSL situation to heart, as a personal affront to you. I assure you that it wasn't meant that way. I'm not judging your decision to purchase. Not at all. I didn't intend to hurt your feelings. I simply give my thoughts and that's it. You have every right to purchase a PSL and enjoy it. I hope you do. You can ignore me if you'd like - I wont take offense. Yeah I never took anything personal at all from you about your ongoing opinion of whatever you tho know going to happen or has happened. I am simply stating that you are all over the place which I imagine everyone else in this thread can attest to that. Although I think it’s funny that you said “In a completely separate conversation I spoke about how night games sold well” which is what I was replying to in the first place. But I brought it up because you do know that you replying in a thread titled “PSL Pricing/Seat Selection Discussion” right? I have no problem affording my tickets. I’ve upgraded and spent more on my tickets in each of the last 2 years. And for the record I haven’t stated if I am or am not going to renew for the new stadium. I have no need to block you as I find it funny with all the arguments you have going with just about everyone on the board. Yet everyone else is wrong. Got it. again, on the selling of night games. I sold 6 regular home games last season. And 2 playoff games. I can vouch for the fact that the night games I sold JUST LAST YEAR, not 2 and 3 years ago. Did not do as well as you think. Maybe when you last had tickets, the thought of night games was a cool and popular thing. But when the team has more night games at home than 1pm games, it loses its luster. I and many others that actually have season tickets and have had them for a long time, and have had them as recently as last year can vouch for that. You however want to argue that the opening day of the season which happened to be a night game, and a playoff game which was the first playoff game with full attendance in 20 years were great for your resale. Great. We all knew that here. Now get season tickets this year, and try and sell a meaningless night game against the Jaguars, in October, and tell me how you did. Until then, keep your opinions to yourself. Adults with knowledge of the situation are taking here. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Jack Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 48 minutes ago, Einstein said: 212 So section 212, Pepsi Club, tickets this year in that section are about $380/game/seat, even counting for the increase in prices since 2021, you made a little profit for that game, not an outrageous amount. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutOfBubbleGum Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 17 hours ago, mrags said: Sure. Go ahead and post 3 more playoff games from the 90s bills and tell me how well you did on resale for those games. you’ve recently stated you haven’t had tickets in a while. Then you said the last game you sold was the Titans game 2 seasons ago. Then the first playoff game at home in front of a full crowd in 20 years. just stop. Post about something you actually have knowledge of. I sold 6 regular season games last year and 2 playoff games. I made money overall. I made money on all regular season games. And lost money on 1 playoff games. But you’re arguing so many different things you can’t even remember what your original point was. Hell, no one else can because you keep flip flopping back and forth. First you talk about how little money people have and how we can’t afford PSLs but then talk about how well resale is. When you haven’t even done it in 2+ years. But your next post will be to point out that the majority of fans in the area live in mom’s basement and flip burgers for $15/hr and cannot afford tix. But yet the stadium is sold out every game, and there’s a 7k person waiting list. JUST STOP ALREADY. EVERYONE IS SICK OF HEARING IT OVER AND OVER. and that means a lot coming from me because everyone here loves me so much. The waiting list will be the Bills waiting for people to shell out the money to buy the PSL's. Me, forget the PSL's, I'm buying a new truck. Took all the thought process right out of it. On 3/24/2024 at 12:01 PM, Punching Bag said: In actuality UFL is like generic soda pop compared to brand name soda for NFL. Perhaps it will be better than its parent league however. Time to stop drinking soda. It's bad for your teeth and your health. On 3/24/2024 at 12:01 PM, Punching Bag said: In actuality UFL is like generic soda pop compared to brand name soda for NFL. Perhaps it will be better than its parent league however. Time to stop drinking soda. It's bad for your teeth and your health. On 3/24/2024 at 12:01 PM, Punching Bag said: In actuality UFL is like generic soda pop compared to brand name soda for NFL. Perhaps it will be better than its parent league however. Time to stop drinking soda. It's bad for your teeth and your health. On 3/24/2024 at 12:01 PM, Punching Bag said: In actuality UFL is like generic soda pop compared to brand name soda for NFL. Perhaps it will be better than its parent league however. Time to stop drinking soda. It's bad for your teeth and your health. On 3/24/2024 at 12:01 PM, Punching Bag said: In actuality UFL is like generic soda pop compared to brand name soda for NFL. Perhaps it will be better than its parent league however. Time to stop drinking soda. It's bad for your teeth and your health. On 3/24/2024 at 12:01 PM, Punching Bag said: In actuality UFL is like generic soda pop compared to brand name soda for NFL. Perhaps it will be better than its parent league however. Time to stop drinking soda. It's bad for your teeth and your health. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 I'm not sure but is soda bad for your health and teeth? 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 10 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: I'm not sure but is soda bad for your health and teeth? I think he made that very clear. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 2 hours ago, OutOfBubbleGum said: The waiting list will be the Bills waiting for people to shell out the money to buy the PSL's. Me, forget the PSL's, I'm buying a new truck. Took all the thought process right out of it. Time to stop drinking soda. It's bad for your teeth and your health. Time to stop drinking soda. It's bad for your teeth and your health. Time to stop drinking soda. It's bad for your teeth and your health. Time to stop drinking soda. It's bad for your teeth and your health. Time to stop drinking soda. It's bad for your teeth and your health. Time to stop drinking soda. It's bad for your teeth and your health. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 (edited) 20 hours ago, mrags said: Sure. Go ahead and post 3 more playoff games from the 90s bills and tell me how well you did on resale for those games. I had a couple of extra tix at least twice during the '90s playoffs games and couldn't get $5 for them in the lot or at the gates. Walked in with 'em. Not sure how that's apropos to your debate, but fwiw. Edited April 12 by PBF81 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 1 hour ago, K-9 said: I think you need to post this like 4 times. 29 minutes ago, PBF81 said: I had a couple of extra tix at least twice during the '90s playoffs games and couldn't get $5 for them in the lot or at the gates. Walked in with 'em. Not sure how that's apropos to your debate, but fwiw. Yeah and “the Comeback game” didn’t sell out despite 200k people saying they were there and didn’t leave. point is, it’s all old hat after you start and keep winning. Especially when it’s the same story every year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 2 hours ago, mrags said: Yeah and “the Comeback game” didn’t sell out despite 200k people saying they were there and didn’t leave. Wasn't attendance for that game poor because of the weather? It ended up being okay for the game, but people didn't buy tickets prior because it was in the middle of a blizzard. I could be mis-remembering though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsPride12 Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 5 minutes ago, Virgil said: Wasn't attendance for that game poor because of the weather? It ended up being okay for the game, but people didn't buy tickets prior because it was in the middle of a blizzard. I could be mis-remembering though I was pretty young back then but I think it was more complicated than that. It has always been my understanding that at the time most people thought the Bills run back then was over at that point. They had just been embarrassed by Houston in a rough loss at the end of the regular season and were going to be without Kelly, Thurman, and Cornelius Bennett. It sounds bad now as they would go on to two more Super Bowls and nobody knew what history was about to happen in that game but going into the game there was a general feeling the "window was closed" 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScotSHO Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 8 minutes ago, Virgil said: Wasn't attendance for that game poor because of the weather? It ended up being okay for the game, but people didn't buy tickets prior because it was in the middle of a blizzard. I could be mis-remembering though Nah, they lost to the Oilers the week before and had to settle for a WC spot. Kelly was also hurt in that game, so it looked like all hope was lost for the season. The WC game was in the mid 30s with rain, so it was sort of a crappy weather day but not bad if they were on top of their game. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 31 minutes ago, Virgil said: Wasn't attendance for that game poor because of the weather? It ended up being okay for the game, but people didn't buy tickets prior because it was in the middle of a blizzard. I could be mis-remembering though attendance was 75,141...The perception on bad attendance was because it wasn't sold out in time to lift the blackout......and yes I was there and stayed till the end...everyone in my row left so I figured if the run was over I would stay and watch. I had nothing else to do that day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WEATHER DOT COM Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 On 4/9/2024 at 10:39 PM, Jrb1979 said: https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/buffalo-sabres/latest-news/state-reseller-law-hindering-sabres-season-ticket-holders The Sabres sent an e-mail to fans who comprise less than 1% of their season ticket base that “in light of the recent ticket reseller laws” passed by the NY state legislature in 2022, those who sell a high percentage of their games on the secondary market would have to purchase a license from the state to be able to purchase their season tickets. It is from NY state. Until at least one other NY based team sends a similar letter, the Sabres are using this "recent ticket reseller law" as a crutch for this new policy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 1 hour ago, Virgil said: Wasn't attendance for that game poor because of the weather? It ended up being okay for the game, but people didn't buy tickets prior because it was in the middle of a blizzard. I could be mis-remembering though I don’t believe it was in a blizzard. It was extremely cold from what I remember. But was also in my teens so I don’t remember exactly. but I think the lister had worn off after we lost in the previous 2 SBs and we just lost to the Oilers a week before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 10 hours ago, mrags said: point is, it’s all old hat after you start and keep winning. Especially when it’s the same story every year. True to an extent, but at least one of the games that I couldn't move tix for at the game was an AFC CG. As to the weather, no, it wasn't a blizzard, I have no idea how cold it was, but it wasn't snowing. We thought about going, drove by, but decided to catch it locally at a bar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Noggin Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 To paraphrase a Louis CK bit: OF COURSE...season ticket holders are allowed to sell their tickets. Of course. It's become over-priced corporate sports entertainment, a luxury commodity, and subject to the market. BUT MAYBE...selling tickets for games that end up being overrun with visiting team fans (Pitts, Dal, KC...any NFC North or AFC East team tbh) is a little traitorous or at least disadvantageous to the fanatic cause. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Noggin Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 On 4/12/2024 at 4:14 PM, mrags said: I don’t believe it was in a blizzard. It was extremely cold from what I remember. But was also in my teens so I don’t remember exactly. but I think the lister had worn off after we lost in the previous 2 SBs and we just lost to the Oilers a week before. And Kelly was hurt. Belief was low. We often forget how small/stretched the local ticket market really is for Buffalo, compared to other NFL cities, and especially with respect to affluence. Also, I'm not sure traveling NFL tourism was much of a thing yet. Green Bay's small market solidarity is a solid counter to this line of thinking (they would never have an un-sold-out home playoff game), but there is an old school, generational loyalty and exclusivity to those seats in that community that I'm sure limits how many opposing fans sneak into Lambeau for a given game. FATIGUE/FRUSTRATION was a real thing in this 90s example, as it has become again the last two seasons in Orchard Park. 2022 was STRESSFUL in that stadium, and the weather was hilariously bad when compared to every other effing day during each week. From Halloween weekend on the vibe was WAY off. Which was partially influenced by Vikings, Steelers, Packers, and Bengals fans being loud enough to make a difference. That never happened in the 90s run, that I recall. I'd guess that continued price hikes have something to do with the increase in out-of-town fans. Eventually one has to orchestrate a time-share or sublet arrangement to make the financials work. I'm sure the majority of lower bowl seats behind the visiting bench at this point are renewed primarily for profit. Just wish more fans would look for ways to geographically limit WHO buys their seats on the secondary markets and/or seek buyers more privately/locally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfanmiamioh Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 25 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said: And Kelly was hurt. Belief was low. We often forget how small/stretched the local ticket market really is for Buffalo, compared to other NFL cities, and especially with respect to affluence. Also, I'm not sure traveling NFL tourism was much of a thing yet. Green Bay's small market solidarity is a solid counter to this line of thinking (they would never have an un-sold-out home playoff game), but there is an old school, generational loyalty and exclusivity to those seats in that community that I'm sure limits how many opposing fans sneak into Lambeau for a given game. FATIGUE/FRUSTRATION was a real thing in this 90s example, as it has become again the last two seasons in Orchard Park. 2022 was STRESSFUL in that stadium, and the weather was hilariously bad when compared to every other effing day during each week. From Halloween weekend on the vibe was WAY off. Which was partially influenced by Vikings, Steelers, Packers, and Bengals fans being loud enough to make a difference. That never happened in the 90s run, that I recall. I'd guess that continued price hikes have something to do with the increase in out-of-town fans. Eventually one has to orchestrate a time-share or sublet arrangement to make the financials work. I'm sure the majority of lower bowl seats behind the visiting bench at this point are renewed primarily for profit. Just wish more fans would look for ways to geographically limit WHO buys their seats on the secondary markets and/or seek buyers more privately/locally. The “opposing fan” influence the past 5 years is nowhere even close to what it was during those 2006ish-2017ish years. My seasons are in section 109 and every week was like being at a different away game. It sucked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 29 minutes ago, billsfanmiamioh said: The “opposing fan” influence the past 5 years is nowhere even close to what it was during those 2006ish-2017ish years. My seasons are in section 109 and every week was like being at a different away game. It sucked It was all the “fans” from Canada that would jump on band wagons of teams that were doing well. Well, that and every single one of them was a pats “fan” 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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