BillsFan130 Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 1 hour ago, GoBills808 said: lol why they ever give him that deal in the first place is completely beyond me Agreed. He had one descent year when he caught a bunch of TDs in 2021 but that's it. How that warrants a 14 mil per year is beyond me 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 2 hours ago, HappyDays said: Details are in: https://overthecap.com/player/dawson-knox/7887 He went from a $14.3M cap hit in 2024 to a $7.7M cap hit. So $6.6M in savings this year. His cap hit in 2025 year is also slightly cheaper, by about $1.4M. The one downside is it's harder to get out of his contract in 2025. Cutting him pre-6/1 next year will now actually cost us more, whereas before it would have saved us money. Most likely scenario I think is we designate him as a post-6/1 cut next offseason. I don't think we will keep him for a $14M cap hit next year. I think both Von and Knox will be post June 1st cuts next year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 37 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: I got a feeling they will trade him next year … he will be better off too… he is still a TE1 on some team and his role in Buffalo is diminished … He still makes those tough sideline catches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Fan Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 48 minutes ago, Prospector said: He’s all of our uncles if we took footloose to heart Youre damn right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 I almost wish the bills just re structured the full amount for Josh and just would have bit the bullet with Knox's contract this year so they can get out of this deal after this season. anyone know the post June cap savings if bills cut Knox next year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Matter_What Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 It's on Spotrac now. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/dawson-knox-29132/ His cap hit is lower both this year and next, but dead cap after this season went from $7,8M to $17M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 On 3/11/2024 at 10:56 AM, DapperCam said: I don’t really understand Von and Knox taking pay cuts. What leverage do the Bills have in this scenarios? They can’t really cut these guys due to the dead cap. Why do the players say yes? they want to win. with incentives they can make more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 On 3/15/2024 at 8:10 PM, LABILLBACKER said: I think both Von and Knox will be post June 1st cuts next year. I think Von and Diggs will be our two 6/1 cuts next year. Due to a partially guaranteed salary in 2025 it would be too costly to cut Knox then. But the reworked contract wouldn’t impact the Bills ability to trade him then if they decide to go that route. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 On 3/11/2024 at 10:56 AM, DapperCam said: I don’t really understand Von and Knox taking pay cuts. What leverage do the Bills have in this scenarios? They can’t really cut these guys due to the dead cap. Why do the players say yes? In Knox’s case he’s getting an additional $17M in guaranteed money to take a pay cut of $4.5M over the 3 years left on his deal. Most players will trade off guaranteed money for some salary they might never see. This reminds me of what Beane worked out with Star on his horrible contract. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Doug Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 3 hours ago, No_Matter_What said: It's on Spotrac now. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/dawson-knox-29132/ His cap hit is lower both this year and next, but dead cap after this season went from $7,8M to $17M. So, it looks like the potential out if not after this season, but the 2025 season, where dead cap is about $7M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlCowlingsTaxiService Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 On 3/11/2024 at 10:35 AM, Logic said: Imagine working you way up the depth chart, balling out, and signing a big contract to be the TE1 of a top offense for years to come. Then the very next offseason your team trades up in the 1st round to select another tight end, and the offseason after that, they're knocking on your day asking you to take a paycut. Tough business. Maybe had he actually “balled out” this wouldn’t be the case Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 On 3/15/2024 at 5:04 PM, HappyDays said: Details are in: https://overthecap.com/player/dawson-knox/7887 He went from a $14.3M cap hit in 2024 to a $7.7M cap hit. So $6.6M in savings this year. His cap hit in 2025 year is also slightly cheaper, by about $1.4M. The one downside is it's harder to get out of his contract in 2025. Cutting him pre-6/1 next year will now actually cost us more, whereas before it would have saved us money. Most likely scenario I think is we designate him as a post-6/1 cut next offseason. I don't think we will keep him for a $14M cap hit next year. Whoaoa, That's Some Haircut! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 On 3/11/2024 at 9:25 AM, Process said: Love Dawson but it's pretty crazy that he was counting $14.4M against the cap in the first place. Stuff like that is why we are in this mess. Hind sight is always 20/20 especially when you draft a guy like Kincaid ! At the time and even now i still believe Knox is a total Bills type player & will be very valuable to our new OC ! There will come some times this season that Kincaid, and other will be seemed against & i hop win the biggest of moments Knox will be that guy that they will forget about because of the sentiment of this way of thinking that he's not worth the pay & he will burn the opposition . When Knox made that Angry run down the sideline and plowed over that defender or the time he made that catch that he flipped into the end zone for the TD to help win that game i don't believe any of us were thinking he wasn't worth the cash then but now that Kincaid has come aboard it's totally different . Yah he's not Travis Kelsey but i'm not going to Knox him because i think there will be times when he will come up big for the team this year and would still rather have him than not but will agree $14 mill a year is way to high for him i hope he can see that & stays with the Bills long term ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigotz Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 On 3/17/2024 at 5:51 AM, No_Matter_What said: It's on Spotrac now. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/dawson-knox-29132/ His cap hit is lower both this year and next, but dead cap after this season went from $7,8M to $17M. The idea of us cutting or trading him was always fan fiction anyway. You don't cut a good player who's 27 years old simply because he's paid $3-$4M too much. Maybe if you were rebooting your franchise and wanted to trade for a premium draft pick, but otherwise, it's a ridiculous strategy. With this in mind, we shouldn't be worried about the extra dead cap if we cut him in 1-2 years. He will be here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 On 3/11/2024 at 10:51 AM, LABILLBACKER said: Exactly...if you want to avoid restructures, void years, cap hell or kicking the can down the road to screw you later, just stop overpaying for less productive players. This isn't rocket science, it's called preventative medicine. As soon as Beane perfects his crystal ball so he's 100% solid on which players he re-signs early will continue to ascend, and which will stumble, I'm sure he'll get right on that. At the point where Beane extended Knox very early in the 2022 season, Knox had just done everything the team asked him to do in 2021. Doubled his receptions, doubled his receiving yards, catch % up 14.5% with no increase in drops, better blocker downfield AND inline. So Beane has to make a decision: do I extend him now? If I don't, and he continues to equal or better that performance, he could price himself out of our market. If I do, and it turns out to be "regression to the mean" this season, it's a premature move. In fairness to Knox, his receiving use fell off in 2022 through no particular fault of his own - he was asked to block and chip because Spencer Brown wasn't cutting it, AND he had ligament repair surgery mid-season last year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 6 minutes ago, Rigotz said: The idea of us cutting or trading him was always fan fiction anyway. You don't cut a good player who's 27 years old simply because he's paid $3-$4M too much. Maybe if you were rebooting your franchise and wanted to trade for a premium draft pick, but otherwise, it's a ridiculous strategy. With this in mind, we shouldn't be worried about the extra dead cap if we cut him in 1-2 years. He will be here. His new/current contract is now right in line with his TE ranking. This re-working basically ensured he'll finish his contract with us. Absolutely no need to cut him or move on. Folks are just stuck in that mindset because they havent gotten over the old deal yet (which really only affected us for 1 season). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DabillsDaBillsDaBills Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 5 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: His new/current contract is now right in line with his TE ranking. This re-working basically ensured he'll finish his contract with us. Absolutely no need to cut him or move on. Folks are just stuck in that mindset because they havent gotten over the old deal yet (which really only affected us for 1 season). What ranking are you using? Based on his receptions and yards from last season he's still really overpaid. We're paying Knox to be a good to great TE1 and he's performing like a low end TE2. When you look at his active and dead cap hit for 2025 and 2026 he's one of the worst TE contracts in the league. It never made sense to give Knox a big contract and then trade up to draft Kincaid in the 1st. Beane is now doubling down on his mistake by increasing the dead cap from Knox when we inevitably release him after 2025 or 2026. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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