Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 1 minute ago, billsfan89 said: Reworking the two only “bad” contracts on the roster (Knox and Von) is a huge victory hopefully they can get Diggs to slightly rework his deal as well Very huge victory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Fan Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 4 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said: Happy has his connections at OBD. That's been established here. It's Buffalo. 2 degrees of separation at most. Kevin Bacon is my uncle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
letsgoteam Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 5 hours ago, drummernut74 said: Because they are true team players that want to WIN in Buffalo, and have a unique set of principles Yup and some point these guys have "enough money". Von for sure. Dawson not nearly as much, but with some self restraint (and commonsense investing), his family is/will be set for many generations as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TC in St. Louis Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 Hey, Dawg....we gotta talk. Things have changed since we did that deal. You know you're not worth 14 million a year. We thought you'd be a 60 catch 8 TD guy, but that ain't in the cards. What say we drop down to about half, and put in some juice if you hit certain incentives? if you get to 60 catches and 8 td's we'll get you to 14. Earn it, bro. Knox: Seems fair. I love playing here. Let's do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickelCity Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 2 minutes ago, TC in St. Louis said: Hey, Dawg....we gotta talk. Things have changed since we did that deal. You know you're not worth 14 million a year. We thought you'd be a 60 catch 8 TD guy, but that ain't in the cards. What say we drop down to about half, and put in some juice if you hit certain incentives? if you get to 60 catches and 8 td's we'll get you to 14. Earn it, bro. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 (edited) Details are in: https://overthecap.com/player/dawson-knox/7887 He went from a $14.3M cap hit in 2024 to a $7.7M cap hit. So $6.6M in savings this year. His cap hit in 2025 year is also slightly cheaper, by about $1.4M. The one downside is it's harder to get out of his contract in 2025. Cutting him pre-6/1 next year will now actually cost us more, whereas before it would have saved us money. Most likely scenario I think is we designate him as a post-6/1 cut next offseason. I don't think we will keep him for a $14M cap hit next year. Edited March 15 by HappyDays 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 9 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Details are in: https://overthecap.com/player/dawson-knox/7887 He went from a $14.3M cap hit in 2024 to a $7.7M cap hit. So $6.6M in savings this year. His cap hit in 2025 year is also slightly cheaper, by about $1.4M. The one downside is it's harder to get out of his contract in 2025. Cutting him pre-6/1 next year will now actually cost us more, whereas before it would have saved us money. Most likely scenario I think is we designate him as a post-6/1 cut next offseason. I don't think we will keep him for a $14M cap hit next year. We also added two void years to his contract, $2.33M in 2027, $1.17M in 2028. The actual pay cut he took was probably for around $3M in real cash. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 18 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Details are in: https://overthecap.com/player/dawson-knox/7887 He went from a $14.3M cap hit in 2024 to a $7.7M cap hit. So $6.6M in savings this year. His cap hit in 2025 year is also slightly cheaper, by about $1.4M. The one downside is it's harder to get out of his contract in 2025. Cutting him pre-6/1 next year will now actually cost us more, whereas before it would have saved us money. Most likely scenario I think is we designate him as a post-6/1 cut next offseason. I don't think we will keep him for a $14M cap hit next year. Not had a chance to look what does it do to a 2025 trade? To me that is the most likely option. Moving him for a 5th or something. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 20 minutes ago, HappyDays said: We also added two void years to his contract, $2.33M in 2027, $1.17M in 2028. The actual pay cut he took was probably for around $3M in real cash. lol why they ever give him that deal in the first place is completely beyond me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 9 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Not had a chance to look what does it do to a 2025 trade? To me that is the most likely option. Moving him for a 5th or something. Good point. We would take a $12.47M dead cap hit, which would be $1.6M in savings. I'm not sure what the trading team would owe him, that would determine his trade value. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 1 minute ago, HappyDays said: Good point. We would take a $12.47M dead cap hit, which would be $1.6M in savings. I'm not sure what the trading team would owe him, that would determine his trade value. Yea. He still has starting tight end value. So as long as the receiving team isn't seriously on the hook that is the most likely outcome IMO. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 7.7m puts like 20 TEs above him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Yea. He still has starting tight end value. So as long as the receiving team isn't seriously on the hook that is the most likely outcome IMO. how many starting value tight ends out there are taking pay cuts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 6 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: how many starting value tight ends out there are taking pay cuts I don't know but for instance Dalton Schultz took a below market value last year. It happens. If the Bills made Knox available for trade they would have multiple suitors contract terms allowing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 45 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Details are in: https://overthecap.com/player/dawson-knox/7887 He went from a $14.3M cap hit in 2024 to a $7.7M cap hit. So $6.6M in savings this year. His cap hit in 2025 year is also slightly cheaper, by about $1.4M. The one downside is it's harder to get out of his contract in 2025. Cutting him pre-6/1 next year will now actually cost us more, whereas before it would have saved us money. Most likely scenario I think is we designate him as a post-6/1 cut next offseason. I don't think we will keep him for a $14M cap hit next year. I get the $3M+ in real pay cut too. Just my opinion, but I could see Dawson taking another cut next year for more guaranteed money to stay in Buffalo in 2025. It seems like the thing he would do. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 15 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: lol why they ever give him that deal in the first place is completely beyond me My theory was that we were coming off the heels of the Matt Araiza story and the team was looking for a bit of good will in the locker room. Knox had just lost his brother... it was an immediate infusion of good news at a time when the team needed it. And he came off a year where he scored 9 TDs. They bet on his upside and it unfortunately didn't pay off. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: I don't know but for instance Dalton Schultz took a below market value last year. It happens. If the Bills made Knox available for trade they would have multiple suitors contract terms allowing. 😂😂Ok I think his trade value is zero 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew21PA Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 On 3/11/2024 at 10:41 AM, Buffalo_Stampede said: Hey Stefon Diggs, Brandon Beane would like to ask you a question? Text chain read like tjis BB: hey Stef Diggs: don’t even think about it BB: alright - have a great summer - see you in June! 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 1 hour ago, ColoradoBills said: I get the $3M+ in real pay cut too. Just my opinion, but I could see Dawson taking another cut next year for more guaranteed money to stay in Buffalo in 2025. It seems like the thing he would do. I got a feeling they will trade him next year … he will be better off too… he is still a TE1 on some team and his role in Buffalo is diminished … Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prospector Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 On 3/11/2024 at 12:23 PM, TBBills Fan said: Kevin Bacon is my uncle He’s all of our uncles if we took footloose to heart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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