Shaw66 Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 23 minutes ago, Sweats said: Yeah, you could actually witness some players slowing down as the season went on. I'm of the mindset that once players start getting a little long in the tooth and can't perform to the highest level, you have to start letting these guys go......it's nothing personal, it's a business and a franchise that keeps personnel due to the fact that it becomes personal, isn't running their business effectively. Yeah, I agree. Belichick was the master at that. Over the years, I've developed two general rules about player retention. The rules are (1) let old talent go before they're done (only exception is a true franchise player who you drafted and who deserves to finish his career with your team), and (2) keep young talent until you're sure they've busted. It looks like Beane should have started on the old players a year ago, and done it a bit more gradually. Had to keep Morse, because the middle of the line was so unsettled. Had to keep White, because he could have come back and been a stud for several years. McGovern, Torrence, and Douglas made them expendable this year. Had to be Poyer last year, and Rapp could have taken on a bigger role more quickly. The best talent in free agency is first and second picks coming off their rookie deals, guys who have underperformed in some way, so their original team lets them walk. Work ethic and team orientation are great, gotta have it, but there's no substitute for size, strength, speed, talent - the stuff you find in the first two rounds. Elam is the current example of sticking with the underperforming young talent. The Bills need to keep working with him and see how he develops. Edmunds was the last example - Bills were sure about him by the time he left. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 58 minutes ago, Sweats said: Yeah, you could actually witness some players slowing down as the season went on. I'm of the mindset that once players start getting a little long in the tooth and can't perform to the highest level, you have to start letting these guys go......it's nothing personal, it's a business and a franchise that keeps personnel due to the fact that it becomes personal, isn't running their business effectively. I doubt this was personal for Brandon. He was probably just trying to squeeze the last bit of juice out of the turnip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 54 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said: Is this the current cap with the Tre White release or without? Since the 10 million from Tre roles off after June 1 seems this would make them cap compliant before doing anything further Both sites list him as “active” so he is counting towards the cap projections provided. So if nothing else happens they are cap “compliant” post June 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khlax3 Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 18 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Tre White $10 million doesn’t kick in until June 1st. Draft picks cost about $11 million if we keep all of them, so that’s a wash. Even if we draft 11 players in the draft the picks will only cost between 4-5 million in cap space. round 1- 2.4 million Round 2- 1.17 million Round 3- 1.011 million All other rounds are a minimum type salary. All of these players would replace existing minimum contracts on the roster and it would be a wash cap wise. Honestly if you drafted 11 players and they all made the team you might actually gain space as they would likely be replacing guys who make more than the rookie contracts 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/von-miller-can-get-back-to-17-5-million-with-10-5-sacks This breakdown Vons Paycut 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 14 minutes ago, khlax3 said: Even if we draft 11 players in the draft the picks will only cost between 4-5 million in cap space. round 1- 2.4 million Round 2- 1.17 million Round 3- 1.011 million All other rounds are a minimum type salary. All of these players would replace existing minimum contracts on the roster and it would be a wash cap wise. Honestly if you drafted 11 players and they all made the team you might actually gain space as they would likely be replacing guys who make more than the rookie contracts Yes. Makes sense. Thank you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vtnatefootball11 Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 Details are out on Trubisky. 2 year, $5.25m, with $2.7m guaranteed. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/bills-ex-steelers-qb-mitchell-trubisky-agree-to-two-year-5-25-million-deal-per-report/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pennstate10 Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 55 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/von-miller-can-get-back-to-17-5-million-with-10-5-sacks This breakdown Vons Paycut Thanks. Who determines whether an incentive is “not likely to be earned”? Apparently, one of Vons incentives is 2 sacks. I would guess that is likely to be earned, based on his improved play, and likelihood for increased snaps this coming year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 2 minutes ago, pennstate10 said: Thanks. Who determines whether an incentive is “not likely to be earned”? Apparently, one of Vons incentives is 2 sacks. I would guess that is likely to be earned, based on his improved play, and likelihood for increased snaps this coming year. It’s based solely on the previous year, which is why it’s a popular cap tool for guys who were hurt the year before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pennstate10 Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 1 minute ago, BuffaloRebound said: It’s based solely on the previous year, which is why it’s a popular cap tool for guys who were hurt the year before. Thanks! That actually makes sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 4 minutes ago, pennstate10 said: Thanks. Who determines whether an incentive is “not likely to be earned”? Apparently, one of Vons incentives is 2 sacks. I would guess that is likely to be earned, based on his improved play, and likelihood for increased snaps this coming year. People are getting this all confused. Von redid this part of his contract along with the base pay cut. Spotrac has it all defined. There are no LTBE/NLTBE incentives. It's plain and simple. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/von-miller-7717/ 2024 Sack Incentives (non-cumulative) 2: $1M 4: $2.5M 6: $4M 8: $6M 10.5: $8.645M 15: $9.645M $1.5M for an AFC Championship Win + 30%+ snaps + 12 regular season snaps 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 48 minutes ago, vtnatefootball11 said: Details are out on Trubisky. 2 year, $5.25m, with $2.7m guaranteed. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/bills-ex-steelers-qb-mitchell-trubisky-agree-to-two-year-5-25-million-deal-per-report/ Barf 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 3 hours ago, John from Riverside said: I’m gonna say that I think that Von Miller is going to return to some version of what he was and this will look like a smart deal Well, yea, but I was replying to someone saying to restructure (or convert his salary to bonus) and not renegotiate (ie reduce his salary) even if von doesn’t return to form yesterdays deal is fine 5 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: People are getting this all confused. Von redid this part of his contract along with the base pay cut. Spotrac has it all defined. There are no LTBE/NLTBE incentives. It's plain and simple. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/von-miller-7717/ 2024 Sack Incentives (non-cumulative) 2: $1M 4: $2.5M 6: $4M 8: $6M 10.5: $8.645M 15: $9.645M $1.5M for an AFC Championship Win + 30%+ snaps + 12 regular season snaps all incentives are either likely or unlikely to be earned for accounting purposes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuco Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 10 minutes ago, pennstate10 said: Thanks. Who determines whether an incentive is “not likely to be earned”? Apparently, one of Vons incentives is 2 sacks. I would guess that is likely to be earned, based on his improved play, and likelihood for increased snaps this coming year. It's all spelled out in the CBA. Everything fits into a category one way or another so there's nobody subjectively saying, well he'll probably get 2 sacks so we'll make LTBE. Generally (but certainly not always) if a player didn't get the stat the year before then its considered NLTBE. In this case, since he got zero sacks last year all sack incentives are NLTBE. 7 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: People are getting this all confused. Von redid this part of his contract along with the base pay cut. Spotrac has it all defined. There are no LTBE/NLTBE incentives. It's plain and simple. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/von-miller-7717/ 2024 Sack Incentives (non-cumulative) 2: $1M 4: $2.5M 6: $4M 8: $6M 10.5: $8.645M 15: $9.645M $1.5M for an AFC Championship Win + 30%+ snaps + 12 regular season snaps Actually, according to the rules spelled out in the CBA, those are all NLTBE incentives. Meaning, none of those incentives will count against the salary cap this year. And any of them that are reached will be charged against next year's cap. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 3 minutes ago, NoSaint said: all incentives are either likely or unlikely to be earned for accounting purposes None of his incentives are on the books for the 2024 season. He converted $8.645M into this incentive. So, if you want to go with what you are saying, they are all NLTBE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babulator Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 (edited) I'm no cap wizard and I've seen it covered different ways, but this sounds good. Edited March 7 by babulator 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 4 minutes ago, babulator said: I'm no cap wizard and I've seen it covered different ways, but this sounds good. It definitely sounds good, but take into account FA signings, Rousseau needs a new deal, Brown needs one, I'm probably missing someone, but it's still a good place to be considering the past few seasons. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 Lots of articles written today about Beanes Busy Day https://www.spotrac.com/news/detailing-buffalos-12-player-move-day-2213/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 4 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Lots of articles written today about Beanes Busy Day https://www.spotrac.com/news/detailing-buffalos-12-player-move-day-2213/ Thank you for posting as it is a very good summary of multiple moves. Beane is earring his paycheck. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFan Posted March 7 Author Share Posted March 7 3 hours ago, vtnatefootball11 said: Mods can we get this thread pinned (or otherwise merge the first page with the running cap thread)? The cap thread that is pinned doesn't have a running list of transactions. I fully agree! I've updated the OP with the contract info, but cap hit still not clear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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