Aussie Joe Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 1 minute ago, Mango said: Admittedly I haven’t heard the segment yet. But as a knee jerk that seems like an ownership issue. Like is who is willing to give up control of the culture and to whom? Like is he talking about the GM not relinquishing control of the culture to the HC? HC to OC/DC or positional coach. It has been rumored that McBeane have a“no meddling” clauses in their contracts. In recent history Danny Briere requested it to take of as Head/Pres of Hockey Ops and it was declined. This goes all the way back to Ted Black and Regier on the hockey side where Darcy and Terry were having secret meetings about prospects, trades, etc. I wonder if Jerry Jones has that “no meddling” thing at Dallas ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 Just now, Aussie Joe said: I wonder if Jerry Jones has that “no meddling” thing at Dallas ? Isn't Jerry also the GM? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyNoodles Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 The Bills have a winning culture and are "winners." The problem not achieving in the playoffs isn't about culture. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 Anyone else think this thread was going to be comments about Pat MacAfee by Lombardi? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 Now that the Morris news is out, I think it’s obvious Lombardi is talking about Atlanta. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OZBILLS Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 McBeane are bums who showed they're not capable 3 years ago 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Jones Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 53 minutes ago, RkFast said: Pure speculation and conjecture above. I'm pretty sure this describes about 75-80% of the posts in this forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 sounds like a cry for help by Lombardi to get another NFL job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 Again, no. Not even close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
somnus00 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 Winning the superbowl increases the fan base...leading to big surge in merchandise sales... increasing the team owners' profits. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeskillitMoorman Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 56 minutes ago, RkFast said: Pure speculation and conjecture above. The TRUTH is that it is widely accepted around the entire NFL world that the Buffalo Bills organization and its culture is one of the best ones in the NFL, if not in ALL of pro sports in the US. Does that necessariliy translate to winning a championship? No. But the org is not some shoddy fly by night deal like you imply above. What McD and Beane have built is consdiered top tier around the league. And the idea that the Pegulas are "not in it for winning" doesnt wash, either. They invested a ton of money building what is consdered one of the best fitness centers in the NFL (https://www.buffalobills.com/news/bills-expect-world-class-sports-performance-center-to-enhance-their-game). They have laid out BIG contracts to free agents and to retain their own talent. Again...does that translate into winning? No. The Von contract is bad right now due ot his injuries. But its sure damn NOT for lack of trying. The effort to win is there. The MONEY is there. I disagree on the effort to win when it comes to McD. He hasn't improved at all as a coach in over 7 years. Things like in-game management is all about preparation. He doesn't do it. He's never put in the effort or work to improve himself as a gameday coach. It's one of the reasons it's maddening to me that we're keeping him when our guys like #17 show up in these big games and leave their heart on the field and we have a coach that does not do the same thing. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 52 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said: What would be the incentive for an owner to want to win a championship? They make the same money either way and if you win then all over the players and coaches want more and more money. I think an owner just wants to put a competitive team on the field, just good enough for the fans not to go nuts and demand change. I think what we have now is an owner's dream scenario “Just wants to put a competitive team on the field” 🙄 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 37 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: “Just wants to put a competitive team on the field” 🙄 Did I say anything about our owner? Clearly he has more money than brains if he's up with the Jets and Browns in spending. I asked the question, what is the incentive for an owner to win? Look at the Patriots. They are one of the most valuable franchises on the planet and they spend next to nothing according to your chart. That's smart business 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transient Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 I don’t think this is the Bills at all. I think this is a team and a culture and a locker room that could win a SB, I just think the coaching is not able to overcome major adversity. Big picture, I think McDermott could have coached the team we fielded on September 11, 2023 to a SB victory. I also think there are coaches that could have taken the team the Bills fielded against KC to a SB victory, as well, but I don’t think McDermott is one of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 Lombardi is a BB homer. He is basically complaining that Bill isn’t getting a job. Vrabel as well. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billl Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 4 hours ago, ProcessImproverMan said: I agree. I think the Pegula's are content with the mediocrity and not taking the next step to change our culture because firing McDermott has the potential to backfire and get you a worse coach and worse team culture. The Chargers fired Schottenheimer because he couldn't get over the hump in the playoffs and the Chargers regressed for the most part with Norv Turner. Because the Pegula's are already making money hand over fist with the currently company culture, which is winning to an extent, and because breaking McDermotts contract to go out and hire a more proven winner would eat into profits, I think the Pegula's are content to let McDermott continue pushing his failed team culture that cannot get the super bowl Bills fans deserve. The Pegula's are not all in for winning. We have seen the Chargers go all in by firing a failed coach to bring in a new culture with Harbaugh that has a better track record than McDermott. We have seen the Patriots do it in the past when they fired Pete Carroll who kept losing in playoff games and bright in Belichick. We saw the Bucs do it with Dungy (who failed repeatedly in the playoffs) when they brought in Gruden who won a super bowl his first season. The Pegula's are becoming fat and lazy and don't want to really push a winning culture. Let me make sure I'm following you here. The Spanos family that moved the Chargers to Los Angeles is focused on winning over profits while the Pegulas, who have kept multiple teams in Buffalo, are in it for the cash grab. Is that about the gist of it? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billl Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 2 hours ago, KDIGGZ said: I asked the question, what is the incentive for an owner to win? Look at the Patriots. They are one of the most valuable franchises on the planet The Patriots are probably a bad example to use if you're suggesting that winning championships doesn't increase the value of a franchise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 (edited) 2 hours ago, KDIGGZ said: Did I say anything about our owner? Clearly he has more money than brains if he's up with the Jets and Browns in spending. I asked the question, what is the incentive for an owner to win? Look at the Patriots. They are one of the most valuable franchises on the planet and they spend next to nothing according to your chart. That's smart business The incentive is they’re competitive. They love competition. What incentive is there for fans? We spend all our money for what? What do we get? Edited January 26 by Buffalo_Stampede Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastport bills Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 4 hours ago, major said: He said teams today talk about winning but they don’t want to give someone the authority to build the culture that’s necessary to win. He said they like their own culture and don’t want to change. Is that us? Do we just like what we have? Change is hard and takes work. Lombardi said majority of teams are just content to stay how they are and not put into the work to win. And Lombardi knows the inner workings of most NFL teams because he’s a contributor on NFL Network and a failed ex GM. These guys have theories and try and put it off as factual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 5 hours ago, major said: He said teams today talk about winning but they don’t want to give someone the authority to build the culture that’s necessary to win. He said they like their own culture and don’t want to change. Is that us? Do we just like what we have? Change is hard and takes work. Lombardi said majority of teams are just content to stay how they are and not put into the work to win. I mean, the Bills have been winning. Their record under McDermott is 73-41 (0.640). Harbaugh with the Ravens over the same time frame is 75-40 (0.652). Boy Genius McVay is 70-45 (0.609). The Cowboys under McCarthy are 42-25 (0.627). Who are these coaches who are "building the culture that's necessary to win" if McDermott isn't among them? The problem is, getting over the hump and winning those last 2-3 games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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