Ethan in Cleveland Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 I must admit I haven't watched much of the Rams. But Donald is playing some DE this game. Some with a 4 man front some with a 3 man front. Two questions... 1. Has he done this a lot in the past? 2. Any chance McD is watching and we see Jones and Joseph at DT with Oliver at DE? That puts our three best run defenders on the line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 I know Kansas city does this a lot with Chris jones . I don't know if Oliver has the length to play outside end on passing downs like a Donald or Chris jones does though 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 Are we going to base it on the Rams success with it today? 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billl Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 I wouldn’t recommend moving Oliver to DE with the expectation that it will improve the run defense. Generally, a team does that on obvious passing downs. You don’t typically want a DT trying to set the edge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted January 15 Author Share Posted January 15 48 minutes ago, Billl said: I wouldn’t recommend moving Oliver to DE with the expectation that it will improve the run defense. Generally, a team does that on obvious passing downs. You don’t typically want a DT trying to set the edge. Yeah I was thinking more so you can get two bigger DT in the middle. Steelers run between the tackles. I would like to see both Jones and Joseph lined up in the middle together. I hope Settle is inactive in favor of Joseph and Ford Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 (edited) 53 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said: I know Kansas city does this a lot with Chris jones . I don't know if Oliver has the length to play outside end on passing downs like a Donald or Chris jones does though He has rushed from the outside occasionally over 4 years... I think he's even landed a sack He's usually better stunting around the tackle from the three technique spot though Edited January 15 by Buffalo716 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 1 hour ago, Ethan in Cleveland said: I must admit I haven't watched much of the Rams. But Donald is playing some DE this game. Some with a 4 man front some with a 3 man front. Two questions... 1. Has he done this a lot in the past? 2. Any chance McD is watching and we see Jones and Joseph at DT with Oliver at DE? That puts our three best run defenders on the line. Yes. And yes. Oliver has lined up at DE on a couple of occasions this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 23 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: He has rushed from the outside occasionally over 4 years... I think he's even landed a sack He's usually better stunting around the tackle from the three technique spot though Chris Jones has rushed from the outside more than occasionally. He has rushed from the outside multiple times in every game this season. And has gotten more than one sack this season running from the outside. That being said, Oliver is not Chris Jones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 Just now, bobobonators said: Chris Jones has rushed from the outside more than occasionally. He has rushed from the outside multiple times in every game this season. And has gotten more than one sack this season running from the outside. That being said, Oliver is not Chris Jones. Oh I'm not comparing him .. Chris Jones does rush from the outside a good amount And Oliver has only done it a few times in years ... Ofc they aren't the same but the question was has he done it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 26 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: He has rushed from the outside occasionally over 4 years... I think he's even landed a sack He's usually better stunting around the tackle from the three technique spot though Oh has he actually? I stand corrected then. I just knew the concern coming out of college was his arm length, so I figured he would probably struggle against Offensive tackles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 Just now, BillsFan130 said: Oh has he actually? I stand corrected then. I just knew the concern coming out of college was his arm length, so I figured he would probably struggle against Offensive tackles He's not out there alot ... A few snaps in 4 years... But I've seen it He is really good stunting around the edge tho ... Better than lining up straight up 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 5 hours ago, bobobonators said: Chris Jones has rushed from the outside more than occasionally. He has rushed from the outside multiple times in every game this season. And has gotten more than one sack this season running from the outside. That being said, Oliver is not Chris Jones. Indeed the Chiefs going back a couple of years tried to make Jones a full time defensive end. It didn't work. He is much better rushing as a 3T. With all of these interior pass rushers it is a nice change up to use them off the edge in certain pass rush looks but long term it is equivalent of buying a Ferrari and then driving it just in your local neighbourhood for the school run and the supermarket. And as for the idea that it helps your run D.... I'm not so sure. The Bills have decent run defenders on the edge. Groot is one of the best in the league in that category. I also think people are acting like we are about to play Bill Cowher's Steelers who can mash you on the ground. This group will try and run the ball to stay out of 3rd and long and they have two solid backs but if the Bills just play their keys, trust their fundamentals and execute they don't need any special plans or funky formations to stop this version of the Steelers in the run game. As one recently fired coach woukd say - just do your job. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 9 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said: I must admit I haven't watched much of the Rams. But Donald is playing some DE this game. Some with a 4 man front some with a 3 man front. Two questions... 1. Has he done this a lot in the past? 2. Any chance McD is watching and we see Jones and Joseph at DT with Oliver at DE? That puts our three best run defenders on the line. I think Lawson is better run defender at DE then Oliver would be Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 Donald is going home now, tx 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 45 minutes ago, Bogie_Klinkhammer said: Donald is going home now, tx 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 10 hours ago, BillsFan130 said: I know Kansas city does this a lot with Chris jones . I don't know if Oliver has the length to play outside end on passing downs like a Donald or Chris jones does though length? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 6 minutes ago, nucci said: length? Arm length. He has really small arms relative to other d lineman and that was the one red Flag for him coming into the NFL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 2 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said: Arm length. He has really small arms relative to other d lineman and that was the one red Flag for him coming into the NFL ok, thanks....not sure what that meant 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 12 minutes ago, nucci said: length? That's what she said. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 11 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said: I must admit I haven't watched much of the Rams. But Donald is playing some DE this game. Some with a 4 man front some with a 3 man front. Two questions... 1. Has he done this a lot in the past? 2. Any chance McD is watching and we see Jones and Joseph at DT with Oliver at DE? That puts our three best run defenders on the line. I have pushed for this a few times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrivefourfive Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 Fine for this game. But if you haven’t heard, we already beat the Steelers and it’s on to KC. In THAT game, Espenesa and Rousseau need to tackle Mahomes and push him into Oliver/Jones/Joseph in the middle. Can’t be letting Pat run around those edges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 1 hour ago, BillsFan130 said: Arm length. He has really small arms relative to other d lineman and that was the one red Flag for him coming into the NFL Yea Ed's arm length is below the ideal for a Dlineman. He isn't Calijah Kancey, who has sub 30 inch arms or anything but it is on the smaller end. Ed is 31.75. Aaron Donald is also on the smaller end at 32.5 compared to someone like Chris Jones who is 34.5. I do think it has probably cost Ed half a dozen sacks or so over the years where he has been right there and just not had that bit of extra length to drag a guy down. But he has still been a disruptor inside. Outside when backs are trying to run at your outside shoulder those long arms matter way, way more. And that is why Groot is so good in those situations. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 14 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said: I must admit I haven't watched much of the Rams. But Donald is playing some DE this game. Some with a 4 man front some with a 3 man front. Two questions... 1. Has he done this a lot in the past? 2. Any chance McD is watching and we see Jones and Joseph at DT with Oliver at DE? That puts our three best run defenders on the line. Not sure if McD has ever thought of it but i have always wanted to see the Bills put Oliver at DE just for few plays a game to keep the opposition guessing & with his great first step i bet he could raise some hell out there ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 13 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: He has rushed from the outside occasionally over 4 years... I think he's even landed a sack He's usually better stunting around the tackle from the three technique spot though Yeah. Basically, we can do that. However, with Rousseau and Floyd already in place and needing to replace Oliver with Poona Ford in the middle the situations where it's useful are limited Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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