HappyDays Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 20 minutes ago, SydneyBillsFan said: I would argue that Shakir could be the guy. Has sticky hands, often catches the less than perfect passes and looks clutch on third and medium to long. He may not be a WR1, but he's the best according to my eye test. Him and Kincaid are probably our best answers right now, which is disappointing to say the least. But I will say Shakir's size, especially his arm length, also creates low margin for error. I think constantly funneling the ball to him over the middle would create more possible negative plays than fans would like to believe. Still he has been the most consistent receiver we've had by far on a per target basis in recent weeks. Ideally Shakir would just be a role player but we may be forced to prioritize his target share a little more. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SydneyBillsFan Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 12 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: Josh needs a lot less golf and a lot more work on his mechanics and chemistry with his receivers this coming offseason. He talked about getting back to his offseason mechanics training in the postgame today........but he's clearly not putting in the work he was prior to the 2021 season. After 13 seconds I think he thought he had neared the pinnacle of his profession but he's regressed back closer to Cam Newton 2.0 than the passer he was then. Time for him to get serious about winning before his own talent regresses back to the pack. I think it's a combination of all the issues raised. Where Josh is concerned, my thoughts shortly after the Patriots loss were that he put on some weight (I doubt he is 237 pounds these days) and spent too much time in the off-season playing golf and doing podcasts, and that it was the first summer he didn't attend Jordan Palmer's QB academy. I have seen nothing recently to change that viewpoint. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 33 minutes ago, UKBillFan said: Though the Bills need an OC who can sit down with Josh and mentally beat that into him. They haven't had one to date. If anyone can, great, bring him in. If that person can be found, this is still a Josh issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew21PA Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 That Murray dropped killed the drive that was the early dagger. shakir dropped an easy first down couple other drops change this narrative pretty quick 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SydneyBillsFan Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 11 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Him and Kincaid are probably our best answers right now, which is disappointing to say the least. But I will say Shakir's size, especially his arm length, also creates low margin for error. I think constantly funneling the ball to him over the middle would create more possible negative plays than fans would like to believe. Still he has been the most consistent receiver we've had by far on a per target basis in recent weeks. Ideally Shakir would just be a role player but we may be forced to prioritize his target share a little more. I appreciate the catch radius concerns but unfortunately we have guys like Davis, Murray and, lately, even Diggs who are dropping regulation passes hitting them right on the chest or belly button. Shakir is not one of those. Feed the guy who moves the chains! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew21PA Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 I guess I may be missing what you are all feeling because had three more receptions that were dropped haopen had Kincaid scored on that long pass “bills offense is on fire” but instead we can’t appreciate the patriots defense has been fire 🔥 the last month for whatever reason Just now, SydneyBillsFan said: I appreciate the catch radius concerns but unfortunately we have guys like Davis, Murray and, lately, even Diggs who are dropping regulation passes hitting them right on the chest or belly button. Shakir is not one of those. Feed the guy who moves the chains! Another drop I forgot was Diggs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 By the way, on the second last offensive drive when Allen ran and dove with the ball carelessly out (Bills fortunate to recover). Allen got absolutely rocked on his head by a defender as he was going backwards. So much so, that he lie on the turf while the scramble for the fumble was going on and was holding his head and grimacing. I thought he was concussed for sure. Then he comes back to finish the final series only to bang up his shoulder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakeFrommStateFarm Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 1 minute ago, zow2 said: By the way, on the second last offensive drive when Allen ran and dove with the ball carelessly out (Bills fortunate to recover). Allen got absolutely rocked on his head by a defender as he was going backwards. So much so, that he lie on the turf while the scramble for the fumble was going on and was holding his head and grimacing. I thought he was concussed for sure. Then he comes back to finish the final series only to bang up his shoulder. That was a really reckless play. He had no prayer of completing that pass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FitzShowUsYourTitz Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 14 hours ago, Captain_Quint said: Diggs looks hurt. His cuts are rounded off, and has little separation. The short passes on the bubble screens are Brady trying to get him an easy one. But that's not really what Diggs does. The rush today, and the quick throw to the left was another example of trying to get him going. The long pass to him over the top today looked like he was running fast, but not sprinting. I think he's got a lingering injury where he can go, but can't cut like he could in the early part of the year. ^^ This actually makes some sense. on a similar note…. does anyone have any thoughts on why Diggs comes off the field A LOT, typically after plays he’s involved in? wondering if it could be injury related… It’s like he’s taking ‘veteran rest plays’ off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
without a drought Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 The offense runs through Josh and Brady, so I guess we blame Davis or are we onto Diggs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 Diggs and Josh are two guys that never like to show pain or any type of tweak, to the TV cameras. They are both banged up for sure. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Quint Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 53 minutes ago, UKBillFan said: Though the Bills need an OC who can sit down with Josh and mentally beat that into him. They haven't had one to date. My thoughts, too. We need a qualified OC who can put together a playbook in the offseason. The rancid Dorsey playbook that Brady is working with doesn't cut it when teams see tendencies. We saw it with Dorsey, and we are now seeing it with Brady. Hopefully Josh can play superman for the next month and will us to a Lombardi trophy, despite the stiffled offense this year and half of last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrb1979 Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 19 minutes ago, Drew21PA said: I guess I may be missing what you are all feeling because had three more receptions that were dropped haopen had Kincaid scored on that long pass “bills offense is on fire” but instead we can’t appreciate the patriots defense has been fire 🔥 the last month for whatever reason Another drop I forgot was Diggs It's not just yesterday's game that the offense has looked off. Outside of a couple of weeks at the beginning of the season and the first 2 weeks of Brady as OC they haven't been that great for most of the season. In 10 of 16 games they struggled to get to 24 points. Even in the Dallas game the passing offense was pretty much MIA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKBillFan Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 24 minutes ago, Dopey said: If anyone can, great, bring him in. If that person can be found, this is still a Josh issue. It is a Josh issue, but where players have issues it is down to coaches to help sort them out, unless they are simply not fixable. If so, no one - including Josh - will be able to do much about it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlCowlingsTaxiService Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 I know we all hate TB12, but JA17 would definitely benefit from taking a few pointers from Brady’s off season training regimen IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 The Eagles and Bills offenses are looking eerily similar. AJ Brown started off the season on fire, but has been missing in action. Same for Diggs. What are the issues? 1 hour ago, stlbills13 said: Things we need More Shakir More Cook in the pass game Fournette More Kincaid Obviously you can't have all that on every down but you can do some of it I think a little bit more touches for Ty Johnson. I've rarely seen him fumble the ball or drop passes. Fournette over Murray at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike22nc Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 (edited) The Bills were at their best offensively when Daboll was calling the plays and trying to get a first down on every single play. Brady is even MORE influenced by what McDermott wants on offense than Dorsey was. They just continue to play scared offensively and try to avoid negative plays. It’s a win for this coaching staff to get 3rd and 4. Allen thrives when throwing in neutral situations. We are running too often on 1st and 2nd down and then saying “Josh go make a play” every 3rd down. It’s bad offensive philosophy when you have Josh Allen. It isn’t going to change as long as McDermott is the head coach. After saying all that, while I don’t think it optimizes the Bills chances, they CAN win this way with the way the defense is playing. Edited January 1 by mike22nc 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 15 hours ago, Aimee75 said: Yeah, I get that Diggs is double covered, but he has been shockingly dropping some catches or not coming up with the ones in years past that he was always good for. I don’t know why people eye-rolled you. You’re 100% correct. Diggs, in the limited opportunities he is receiving, does not look like the Diggs we know. Whether that’s age, injury, double-coverage…. I don’t know. But he is currently a shell of what he was just earlier this season. I can only think of two plays yesterday where he got any separation. The deep pass where he couldn’t locate the ball, and another play where Allen didn’t throw to him but we saw it in the stadium. Separation really is lacking in this offense. Very very very little separation. And then on the plays where we do finally get separation, Allen has multiple defenders in his face and can’t get through his progressions. For example, look at Kincaid here (but also notice the two defenders about to crush Allen): And on this play, Dawkins got beat so bad (see half of his body in the upper right screen) that Allen was flushed from the pocket. But look at Knox wide open: I guess my TL;DR is this… We only seem to get separation when the play has developed for so long that the line breaks down. We can’t wait 4+seconds for guys to get open. And I do think Josh has to be a little more patient. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 1 hour ago, without a drought said: The offense runs through Josh and Brady, so I guess we blame Davis or are we onto Diggs. The KC offense runs through Mahomes & Reid so are we supposed to blame then for the Chiefs offensive troubles when its obvious where the problems are? Same for the Bills IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 New England was also holding a lot, and the refs were not calling it. Three examples (two in one play). None were within 5 yards of the LOS: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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