Bills @ Chiefs Postgame Thread

[Scott7975]

10 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

We'll have to agree to disagree, then.

 

I think this highlights an instance where sometimes statistics can be a forest that hides changes in the trees (and I say this as a stats geek)

 

It used to be true that Jackson would take the short throws to the TE across the field, and deep throws down the middle of the field, but he couldn't make the deeper throws to the sideline.  It allowed teams to focus their defenses after the pattern developed.  Then he started taking those throws, but not necessarily making them.  I can't tell you if it's better WR, or if he's just kept working on it, but I think opponents recognize this year, they have to defend those areas now.

 

I'm sure there are stats that track this somewhere

 

Yeah, I'll disagree and not turn this into a huge back and forth.  I do want to say though that it isn't just the stats.  I watched several games and he was still the same Lamar.  He has two very good receivers and a top TE until he was injured.  Statistically he should be doing a lot better but he isn't.  I still see him take off and run because he couldn't read the field.  He takes a lot of sacks because he couldn't read the field.  Yes, he does make some good throws but he has always made some good throws.

 

 

[Warriorspikes51]

their OL is literally like a flying V formation.  It gives the OT's a competitive advantage when they are that far back 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

19 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

I didn't see it this way. I didn't see the offense being tight or super conservative. I saw them struggling to handle the Chief's pressure. The looked out of sync not right or passive to me. 

I think this is partly true but I think there's a sentiment that the Bills fizzle out in the playoffs. I heard on the radio guys saying they don't trust the Bills D in crunch time. Hard to argue with that when taking in the past. 

When criticizing the bills specifically it makes more sense…I wouldn’t disagree with that.  But chiefs/ravens/dolphins would def much rather see the Steelers or bengals or colts than us guaranteed.  
 

if we end up the 7 seed I think the 2 seed will be the least comfy team wildcard weekend 

[Scott7975]

29 minutes ago, julian said:

Didn’t McDermott’s still have to get a 3rd and 4th down stop to win the game after the “fluke mistake” ?

 

and a 2nd.  It was 2nd and 15 after that play/penalty.

[Beck Water]

17 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

lmfao

 

i was responding to a guy doing whatif, please stay w the conversation or don't @ me

 

Dude.  This is what you said that I was responding to:

" pretty telling that had we surrendered yet another late game collapse to give up the losing TD you think the conversation would have been about a missed throw on offense tbh"

 

I'm "with" the conversation just fine.

 

You were criticizing him for an offensive "whatif" as "pretty telling" (whatever that means, but it's usually used critically) by making a defensive "whatif" ("had we surrendered yet another late game collapse")

 

7 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

their OL is literally like a flying V formation.  It gives the OT's a competitive advantage when they are that far back 

 

Not to mention the false starts.  The refs do call 'em, but not nearly as often as the RT does 'em.

 

8 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

Yeah, I'll disagree and not turn this into a huge back and forth.  I do want to say though that it isn't just the stats.  I watched several games and he was still the same Lamar.  He has two very good receivers and a top TE until he was injured.  Statistically he should be doing a lot better but he isn't.  I still see him take off and run because he couldn't read the field.  He takes a lot of sacks because he couldn't read the field.  Yes, he does make some good throws but he has always made some good throws.

 

 

 

Fair. We're just seeing it differently.  When I've watched, I found myself saying repeatedly "wow, 2 years ago Lamar doesn't hit that".

Edited December 11, 2023 by Beck Water

[major]

Kadarius Toney in the neutral zone with the game on the line.

[GoBills808]

2 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

Dude.  This is what you said that I was responding to:

" pretty telling that had we surrendered yet another late game collapse to give up the losing TD you think the conversation would have been about a missed throw on offense tbh"

 

I'm "with" the conversation just fine.

 

You were criticizing him for an offensive "whatif" as "pretty telling" (whatever that means, but it's usually used critically) by making a defensive "whatif" ("had we surrendered yet another late game collapse")

no

 

this is the comment i responded to

 

34 minutes ago, Mango said:

The talk today would have been a lot different had KT wasn’t offside.
 

The conversation today would have been about that missed TD to Davis. We never should have been in position where that lateral mattered. 
 

Special game ball to Frank Wycheck for not letting this happen to Buffalo twice. 

 ffs

 

@Mango will you please help this poster out

[Steptide]

Not hearing kc fans complain about the absolutely atrocious holding call on dion Dawkins that was at a pivotal time 🤷

[Scott7975]

34 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

Am I the only one to whom it occurs: if Toney isn't so far offside there, does he make it to the same place at the same time to receive that lateral?

 

I don't think you can change one part of one play, and assume the rest of the play is equivalent.

 

Yeah he woulda made it. He was just standing there waiting for it for a while. A half yard difference at the line wouldn't have stopped him from getting there.

32 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

I thought Allen's tap on Mahome's chest before walking away was like "yeah, whatever, bro"

 

Watch Josh face too.  He was like umm ok.

16 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

Dude.  This is what you said that I was responding to:

" pretty telling that had we surrendered yet another late game collapse to give up the losing TD you think the conversation would have been about a missed throw on offense tbh"

 

I'm "with" the conversation just fine.

 

You were criticizing him for an offensive "whatif" as "pretty telling" (whatever that means, but it's usually used critically) by making a defensive "whatif" ("had we surrendered yet another late game collapse")

 

 

Not to mention the false starts.  The refs do call 'em, but not nearly as often as the RT does 'em.

 

 

Fair. We're just seeing it differently.  When I've watched, I found myself saying repeatedly "wow, 2 years ago Lamar doesn't hit that".

 

I mean, we could have watched different games with different results too.  Maybe he did better in the games you watched.  I honestly don't even remember the games I watched.  I know one of them was the Pitts game.

[SectionC3]

1 minute ago, Steptide said:

Not hearing kc fans complain about the absolutely atrocious holding call on dion Dawkins that was at a pivotal time 🤷

That’s kind of the point.  That was a judgment call.  I probably would have let it go, but I can see how a reasonable mind concluded otherwise.  It was fair. 

 

The Toney issue was not a judgment call.  It was black and white.  He lined up offside.  

 

I’m sure the chiefs would have had a problem if Leonard Floyd was lined up a foot offside on 4th and 15, affected the throw and, not previously having been warned about misalignment, was not penalized for that action.  The complaining about a factual, obvious, and non discretionary ruling that went against them is poor sportsmanship and they come off as a bunch of whiners and sore losers.   

[Cheektowaga Chad]

This would be a good time for bills Mafia to come through and help out Travis Kelce

 

Guy just had his hall of fame career ruined by toney lining up Offside and the ref having the audacity to call the penalty

 

$19 to whatever foundation Travis has? 

 

Who is with me!?

[Royale with Cheese]

I don't think Chris Jones gets enough credit as to how good he is.  I know everyone knows he's good but he's absolutely dominant.  He needs to be mentioned with Parsons, Watt and Garrett as game changers.

[The Wiz]

🤣(make sure you look at the image)

 

 

[Scott7975]

I took a screen grab of the Offside with a bit lower angle.  Not that it was necessary because we all know he was Offside but I wanted to anyhow.  Sorry its faded but I took it from NFL.com highlights of the game and when I pause it does that.  You can click it to enlarge.

 

 

You can't really tell from the highlights but I'd love to see the all 22 because Toney ran into the guy covering Kelce.  That is probably why he got so open but the broadcast doesn't show enough to see.

Edited December 11, 2023 by Scott7975

[Ralonzo]

1 hour ago, BRH said:

 

 

It's almost like they thought it would look more like a straight line to the refs if Toney lined up a yard ahead of the ball and the RT lined up a yard behind it.  A little trick of perspective.  Problem is, there are actually yard lines and *****.

 

There was the 25-yard line during the Home Run Throw Forward too. I hope Wycheck was able to confess to making a Forward Pass, for the sake of his immortal soul.

[jimmy10]

[hondo in seattle]

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

4 straight at Allenhead in regular season tho.

 

Why do we win in the regular season but lose to them in the playoffs?

 

Is it home-field advantage?

 

Is it better coaching?  If so, why doesn't Reid and his staff outcoach McD and his during the regular season?

 

Do their players handle the stress of playoff games better than our players? 

 

Or is it just freaking luck?  The teams are more-or-less evenly matched so some days things go their way and some days things go ours.  

 

Edited December 11, 2023 by hondo in seattle

[SectionC3]

3 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

I took a screen grab of the Offside with a bit lower angle.  Not that it was necessary because we all know he was Offside but I wanted to anyhow.  Sorry its faded but I took it from NFL.com highlights of the game and when I pause it does that.

 

He’s a full yard in front of the attached tight end.  I just noticed that.  

 

Some of this is horizontal alignment, too.  If he’s split wide, that probably isn’t called.  But it also isn’t as noticeable as it was given his proximity to the ball and his location between the tight ends. 

Just now, hondo in seattle said:

 

Why do we win in the regular season but lose to them in the playoffs?

 

Is it home-field advantage?

 

Is it better coaching?  If so, why doesn't Reid and his staff outcoach McD and his during the regular season?

 

Do their players handle the stress of playoff games better than our players? 

 

Or is it just freaking luck?  

Once we got beat pretty soundly and the other time was just historic ineptitude/an incredible quarterback.  They’re a good team, too, so it’s going to happen.  

[Scott7975]

2 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

He’s a full yard in front of the attached tight end.  I just noticed that.  

 

Some of this is horizontal alignment, too.  If he’s split wide, that probably isn’t called.  But it also isn’t as noticeable as it was given his proximity to the ball and his location between the tight ends. 

Once we got beat pretty soundly and the other time was just historic ineptitude/an incredible quarterback.  They’re a good team, too, so it’s going to happen.  

 

Yes and technically they should be calling the RT for illegal formation as well.  Dude is not on the ball.  He has been getting away with that and false starts all year long. I mean he gets penalized a lot for it but he still keeps doing it with no calls too.

[wppete]