Tyler Dunne story on McDermott - 3 parts, 25 interviews, one damning conclusion

[Wayne Arnold]

1 hour ago, HardyBoy said:

I'd be very surprised if Pegula cares about the operating costs of the bills in any meaningful way, the brand and asset are far more important... 

 

How's the Buffalo Bills brand at the moment? Miss the playoffs and it's going to fall off a cliff and Pegula absolutely will feel it.

 

I'm not worried about it. If this team misses the playoffs or even loses in the wild card round I'm very McDermott is done. Not even Pegula is dumb enough to keep him at that point.

[Toyo321]

From the KC Chiefs Forum

 

https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=351264

 

 

[Since1981]

3 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

All this apologizing and explaining and excusing and re-explaining, and making up stuff about losing loved ones in the attack

Yup. Just say, it was bone headed and move on. Saying you lost a family friend came across even more bizarro and McLamo. Just say, “ it was a dumb analogy, I can’t believe I used it, not enough coffee in the dorms that day “

Edited December 9, 2023 by Since1981

[beer can shower]

13 minutes ago, boater said:

I look forward to the contrarian feedback from others--people who believe McDermott has run amok with total control of the Bills organization.

I didn't in my original post  say McDermott has run amok with the organization.

 

Your usage of the word AMOK insinuating that was what I said, was what you accused others of doing to support your world view.

Just interpreting things that support YOUR world view.

You should reread the post again. 

Edited December 9, 2023 by beer can shower

[Mikie2times]

3 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

Nice snark, Bro.

 

Some pundits predicted the Vikings would improve in their 2nd season under Kevin O'connell.  It's not an uncommon prediction for a 2nd year HC.  Darrisaw and Addison were viewed as strong additions.  So no, not everyone but me had them "regressing".  And to their 'relatively knowedgeable fans', success was expected.  So yeah, by some viewpoints, they've under-achieved.

 

By the same token, a number of pundits predicted that the Bills would only finish 2nd in the AFC East this season due to a surge by the Dolphins under 2nd year head coach Daniels, while the Bills didn't do enough to improve on offense or defense.  Sports Illustrated I believe predicted us at 9-8. 

So if the Vikings haven't underachieved because some pundits predicted them to regress, wouldn't that same logic apply to the Bills?

 

As for "Burrow hurt", if the Bengals get a "pass" for their 2-3 start because "Burrow was playing hurt" (therefore they didn't under-achieve), shouldn't the Bills get a "pass" for under-achieving during the Giants game and 4 games afterwards, when they went 2-3 (therefore they didn't under-achieve)?

 

 

Vikings were a fraud last year. They ranked 28th in DVOA. 

Last time I checked the Bills didn’t have Allen on one leg for 4 games as the Bengals did. Bengals still beat us. As they did last year. They have accomplished more with less (go figure). Stop normalizing our mediocrity with crappy examples.

[Beck Water]

Interesting perspective from someone known to a number of folks here.

[Turk71]

6 hours ago, Johnnyp566 said:

 Are a whole bunch of people sitting on their high horses because someone said something they shouldn’t have? Absolutely. Imagine if everything dumb thing you’ve said was dug up and used against you. 

Imagine you are paid millions of dollars per year to run an organization and yet you are stupid enough to think the 9/11 hijackers are a great motivational example of teamwork?

  He shows it over and over on game days and this story just confirms it. How much proof that McD is an idiot do people need? 

 

[Billsfan1972]

16 minutes ago, RochesterLifer said:

Honest question here, as I have never been on an NFL team.

Is it possible Josh and Stef may not be aware of the whole story, or see (evening they are supportive) a need to comment?

No.....

[boater]

4 minutes ago, beer can shower said:

I didn't in my original post  say McDermott has run amok with the organization.

 

Your usage of the word AMOK insinuating that was what I said, was what you accused others of doing to support your world view.

Just interpreting things that support YOUR world view.

You should reread the post again. 

Yep. For your jollies, I read your post again. You said:

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McDermott came in and Pegula made him "Czar" "One Voice".
Of which he had no experience.

From all accounts he went way beyond "Coaching".
If allegations are true.  He had his hand in some dismissals, not just his underlings which He certainly  would be responsible for, but above what a Football coach in a billion dollar  organization would be involved in or responsible for.

 

I am sure we have all seen this, given authority goes to their head.

So does one not expect at some point the fan would be turned his way and the **** would hit it.

Amok isn't your words, but the bolded passages and your whole post pose McDermott as running amok.

 

I fall back on my original critique of your fuzzy words "from all accounts" and "if allegations are true" and my noting you got the "made him Czar" part wrong.

[WotAGuy]

2 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

 

 

2 hours ago, FireChans said:

Your contact sounds like a team cancer, which is hilarious for an obvious journeyman who has had lots of HC’s.

How did you arrive at this conclusion?  Because you are a cancer to this board and see everything that way?

[beer can shower]

2 minutes ago, boater said:

Amok isn't your words, but the bolded passages and your whole post pose McDermott as running amok.

When you say POSE that is only your interpretation.

 

And now  when I called you out, You now  admit AMOK wasn't my words, but you still used it.  To throw your interpretation on it.

Disagreeing is fine,  and welcome for discussion,  but  to  misrepresent what the post was seems a bit much.

[TheyCallMeAndy]

That last quote about Dabs kills me. Appreciate who ever posted the chunk, being able to read other parts and not just the crazy stories help build the whole picture of that article. 
 

I don’t think the Giants would let DaBoll go via trade, unfortunately. 
 

If what these ex-players is true, even 50%, Pegs needs to strongly consider a change. Sadly it’s too early for Brady and too late for DaBoll. 

[RichRiderBills]

5 hours ago, wettlaufer said:

 

Dunne addressed the credentials thing. He says it's the Bills' prerogative and he understands.

 

Can I give you an assignment? Can you go out and talk with 25 people who have worked directly with Ty Dunne and report back? Because then you'd be on par with the work he did her. You are correct -- you are speculating from an emotional, uninformed perspective.

 

Give me a break. This is the 2nd or 3rd hit piece Dunes attempted. His :13 second work didn't have the impact he wanted, so here we go again. 

 

It does not matter if you talk to 25 people or 100.... if you walk into the project with the central thesis burned into your brain and already written . This wasn't a comparative fair study, Dune went into this w a goal in mind of smearing McD. He found folks who would assist him and promote that, and gave alternative viewpoints only a smidgen if any acknowledgement. 

 

I don't need to talk to 25 people....Dunes put his material out their for fair scrutiny, and it does not pass the sniff test. 

 

The timing here was intended and overt: he wanted to kick Billsmafia when we were down. He wanted to affect the news, not report the news. 

 

To be frank, given how outright silly and petty many of the assertions are, it's just a shame this garbage has gained traction. 

[boater]

I don't get this forum's love for Daboll as Bills HC.

 

He has a unproven record as HC. His OC success could be attributable to luck of the draw--having Josh Allen as QB.

 

At this point in his career, he's a posterboy for the Peter Principle, which is:

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employees are promoted based on their success in previous jobs until they reach a level at which they are no longer competent, as skills in one job do not necessarily translate to another

 

[Wayne Arnold]

4 minutes ago, RichRiderBills said:

 

The timing here was intended and overt: he wanted to kick Billsmafia when we were down. He wanted to affect the news, not report the news. 

 

 

You have got to be kidding me with this crap.

 

You consider a critique of the head coach to be an attack on the fanbase? That is weird as hell.

[Nephilim17]

46 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

Interesting perspective from someone known to a number of folks here.

Sorry, I'm not very X literate: how do I see the thread WYO made? I click on the X post and there's nothing linked or under it... And her website doesn't seem to have it either. I could be wrong, however... Or is she being ironic and the heart GIF is the whole of her message?

Thanks.

[LABILLBACKER]

55 minutes ago, Since1981 said:

Yup. Just say, it was bone headed and move on. Saying you lost a family friend came across even more bizarro and McLamo. Just say, “ it was a dumb analogy, I can’t believe I used it, not enough coffee in the dorms that day “

Having a friend die in 9/11 is all the more reason he shouldn't have said it in the first place. 

[Simon]

1 minute ago, Nephilim17 said:

Sorry, I'm not very X literate: how do I see the thread WYO made? I click on the X post and there's nothing linked or under it... And her website doesn't seem to have it either. I could be wrong, however... Or is she being ironic and the heart GIF is the whole of her message?

Thanks.

 

I've always had that same issue.

I assume it's because you need to have an account with them and be logged in to see the entirety of the content.

[WotAGuy]

1 hour ago, Toyo321 said:

From the KC Chiefs Forum

 

https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=351264

 

 

There are some hilarious comments in here. 

[Since1981]

22 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

The timing here was intended and overt: he wanted to kick Billsmafia when we were down. He wanted to affect the news, not report the news. 

 

This is a stupid take. Reporter just happened to finish this week. Reporter didn’t look to time it, or go after fans.
 

Think of it this way? We complain about the Bills local reporters being soft because they want to keep team access or are on Bills payroll. Not the case here, for sure!!!