Coaching/QB desert

[Marlton Bills]

When calling for a coach or a quarterback’s head, I recommend caution.  When it comes to QB’s in our history, we went from Kemp in the 1960’s to Kelly in the 1990’s and now Allen in the 2020’s. A lot of large gaps!  Coaching is similar…(take your pick here)…I’d say Saban,  Knox, Levy, McDermott. Some will want to throw Wade in there for good measure.  My point is it’s not easy to run out and get a new one and especially one that will be immediately better.  

 

not everyone can have the good fortune of Green Bay when it comes to quarterbacks or Pittsburgh when it comes to coaches. 
 

i think we have to expect and hope that McDermott and Allen figure out what it is they need to do to win. 

[Mango]

Who is calling for a QB’s head? Even among the Allen critics I can only think of one poster who wants to move on. The rest just want his floor to be considerably higher in some games. 

[RyanC883]

or, you can be like San Diego or Miami in the 90’s and ruin great QBs careers with a subpar coach.

 

McD would go, at best, squeak into the playoffs every year.  

 

McD has had time to figure it out.  He continues to blow late leads, waste timeouts, and make other bad in game decisions.  

[ToGoGo]

33 minutes ago, Marlton Bills said:

When calling for a coach or a quarterback’s head, I recommend caution.  When it comes to QB’s in our history, we went from Kemp in the 1960’s to Kelly in the 1990’s and now Allen in the 2020’s. A lot of large gaps!  Coaching is similar…(take your pick here)…I’d say Saban,  Knox, Levy, McDermott. Some will want to throw Wade in there for good measure.  My point is it’s not easy to run out and get a new one and especially one that will be immediately better.  

 

not everyone can have the good fortune of Green Bay when it comes to quarterbacks or Pittsburgh when it comes to coaches. 
 

i think we have to expect and hope that McDermott and Allen figure out what it is they need to do to win. 

What you’re seeing is a deeply wounded, deeply impatient, deeply emotional, and deeply untrusting fanbase dealing with heavy adversity. 
 

Instead of giving them wisdom, give yourself the wisdom of ignoring them. 

[BuffaloBillyG]

34 minutes ago, Marlton Bills said:

When calling for a coach or a quarterback’s head, I recommend caution.  When it comes to QB’s in our history, we went from Kemp in the 1960’s to Kelly in the 1990’s and now Allen in the 2020’s. A lot of large gaps!  Coaching is similar…(take your pick here)…I’d say Saban,  Knox, Levy, McDermott. Some will want to throw Wade in there for good measure.  My point is it’s not easy to run out and get a new one and especially one that will be immediately better.  

 

not everyone can have the good fortune of Green Bay when it comes to quarterbacks or Pittsburgh when it comes to coaches. 
 

i think we have to expect and hope that McDermott and Allen figure out what it is they need to do to win. 

If this is meant to suggest that Brian Brohm never received a fair chance I am with you.

[TBBills Fan]

I thought based on the title this was going to be a new reality tv idea

[PBF81]

1 hour ago, Marlton Bills said:

When calling for a coach or a quarterback’s head, I recommend caution.  When it comes to QB’s in our history, we went from Kemp in the 1960’s to Kelly in the 1990’s and now Allen in the 2020’s. A lot of large gaps!  Coaching is similar…(take your pick here)…I’d say Saban,  Knox, Levy, McDermott. Some will want to throw Wade in there for good measure.  My point is it’s not easy to run out and get a new one and especially one that will be immediately better.  

 

not everyone can have the good fortune of Green Bay when it comes to quarterbacks or Pittsburgh when it comes to coaches. 
 

i think we have to expect and hope that McDermott and Allen figure out what it is they need to do to win. 

 

The underlying premise of your entire post is that McDoesn'tKnow is actually contributing to our winning.  

Is he?  

 

Seems to just about everyone except for his most stubborn and ardent supporters, that he's a weak link, not something that propels this team forward, other than with the typical nonpalpable soft indicators like character, culture based upon "The Process," which to date absolutely no one has defined, not even him, etc.  

 

The counter argument is that it really shouldn't take very much to consistently get top performance from this offense, not only in the regular season, but also in the playoffs.   

 

That's something that we haven't seen with McDoesn'tKnow in charge.   To a whole lot of people we're getting about as little as possible from this assemblage of talent on offense.  What, Allen's going to be a 12th-ranked QB?  LOL, not a chance.  

 

As it has been posed in the past, McD's arrival preceded Allen's.  

 

Had Allen been here first, what are the odds that someone making the decision on which coach to hire, would have put McD on the short list?  That seems incredibly unlikely as he's a bad fit for that.  Simply because he was here first does not make him a good fit, nor does it mitigate, diminish, much less eliminate his liabilities to this team.  

 

The two, Allen and McD, simply aren't made for each other.  

 

 

Edited December 7, 2023 by PBF81

[LABILLBACKER]

52 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

or, you can be like San Diego or Miami in the 90’s and ruin great QBs careers with a subpar coach.

 

McD would go, at best, squeak into the playoffs every year.  

 

McD has had time to figure it out.  He continues to blow late leads, waste timeouts, and make other bad in game decisions.  

Thank you

Josh is elite

Sean is a clown

[Solomon Grundy]

I still say Doug Moron and Hatchet destroyed EJ Manuel's career. 

[KDIGGZ]

11 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

I still say Doug Moron and Hatchet destroyed EJ Manuel's career. 

I want to say Buddy Nix destroyed EJ's career when he picked him in the 1st round instead of the 3rd or later like a normal non-senile person would do. Too much pressure as a 1st rounder and he might have stuck around as a backup if he was just a 3rd rounder who didn't have the expectations to start right away.

 

But in the end I think EJ destroyed EJ's career by not being good at football. He was never really a g good at any level. Has the EJ Manuel stock price officially hit $0 yet? Or were the shareholders able to cash in now that he is a commentator?

[BullBuchanan]

When I have an average coach who isn't capable of elevating his team, I'd rather roll the dice to see if I can find a force multiplier, even if it means I get a worse coach in the interim. A GM/owner who knows what they're doing should at minimum be able to get a hire that's competent. It's finding the special talent that's hard or even lucky.

[HardyBoy]

1 hour ago, BullBuchanan said:

When I have an average coach who isn't capable of elevating his team, I'd rather roll the dice to see if I can find a force multiplier, even if it means I get a worse coach in the interim. A GM/owner who knows what they're doing should at minimum be able to get a hire that's competent. It's finding the special talent that's hard or even lucky.

 

Yet how many coaches get fired and run clown show football operations?

 

You're significantly undervaluing McDs strengths

[Billsfan1972]

25 minutes ago, HardyBoy said:

 

Yet how many coaches get fired and run clown show football operations?

 

You're significantly undervaluing McDs strengths

Remind me of them again????

 

Are you going to trot out Culture or Process????

 

I won't even go back to 13 seconds and the error after error on his watch that was committed to allow KC to tie the game. 

 

All I have to do is say he had 12 men on the field vs. Denver knowing on second down they were not trying for anymore yards.....  How much more do you need to know?

Edited December 7, 2023 by Billsfan1972

[Marlton Bills]

My point is it’s easy to get a new coach…I don’t think it’s  easy to get a better coach. Despite McDermott’s short comings, he’s the best coach we’ve had since Marv Levy. 

[SirAndrew]

I don’t think the Bills would ever be as bad as the 70’s and parts of the 80’s. The league has too much parity/mediocrity, and very few teams have extremely poor records these days. Teams are more likely to stumble towards a .500 record at the end of the year. This season has been exactly like many of the drought years record wise, but we have Josh Allen at QB. I’m not convinced this season could have gone more poorly with anyone in charge. 

[Billsfan1972]

1 hour ago, Marlton Bills said:

My point is it’s easy to get a new coach…I don’t think it’s  easy to get a better coach. Despite McDermott’s short comings, he’s the best coach we’ve had since Marv Levy. 

Again why?  The Bills drafted JA and even then it took him until the third year to figure out what he had & this year has hindered him in many way from what I see.

[Solomon Grundy]

9 hours ago, KDIGGZ said:

I want to say Buddy Nix destroyed EJ's career when he picked him in the 1st round instead of the 3rd or later like a normal non-senile person would do. Too much pressure as a 1st rounder and he might have stuck around as a backup if he was just a 3rd rounder who didn't have the expectations to start right away.

 

But in the end I think EJ destroyed EJ's career by not being good at football. He was never really a g good at any level. Has the EJ Manuel stock price officially hit $0 yet? Or were the shareholders able to cash in now that he is a commentator?

I believe EJ was just as talented as Hurts. Hurts had Doug Pederson to help guide his career. EJ had Moron. I'm watching the same thing happen to Justin Fields right now. 

[BillsVet]

The game changes fast and comparisons to the 60s, 90s, or even 2010s are irrelevant now.  This is a win-now league and certain teams with franchise QB's get after that goal with greater urgency than others.  Doesn't mean make reactionary moves, only that those who play it safe end up losing.  

 

It's why the people here (prior to the DV issue) ragging on Buffalo for signing Von Miller are just following talking heads' opinions.  Because prior to 2021, the Bills had a pass rush issue not featuring a guy who could get to the QB consistently.  Had no issue with the Miller signing.  Or, when it came time to draft a QB they went with the most physically gifted guy.  You take controlled risks within your plan.    

 

We've seen Josh make plays in the playoffs that should have won at least 1 game.  He's not perfect and this off-season needs to get his mindset sharpened.  But the weak link in Buffalo is the HC who, at crucial times falls short all too often.  

[BarleyNY]

13 hours ago, Marlton Bills said:

When calling for a coach or a quarterback’s head, I recommend caution.  When it comes to QB’s in our history, we went from Kemp in the 1960’s to Kelly in the 1990’s and now Allen in the 2020’s. A lot of large gaps!  Coaching is similar…(take your pick here)…I’d say Saban,  Knox, Levy, McDermott. Some will want to throw Wade in there for good measure.  My point is it’s not easy to run out and get a new one and especially one that will be immediately better.  

 

not everyone can have the good fortune of Green Bay when it comes to quarterbacks or Pittsburgh when it comes to coaches. 
 

i think we have to expect and hope that McDermott and Allen figure out what it is they need to do to win. 

 

Sticking with an inadequate HC because of fear of choosing worse the next time around is a coward’s mentality. It imposes a ceiling of above average on a championship caliber roster. 

[BBFL]

4 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

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It's why the people here (prior to the DV issue) ragging on Buffalo for signing Von Miller are just following talking heads' opinions.  Because prior to 2021, the Bills had a pass rush issue not featuring a guy who could get to the QB consistently.  Had no issue with the Miller signing.  Or, when it came time to draft a QB they went with the most physically gifted guy.  You take controlled risks within your plan.    

 

We've seen Josh make plays in the playoffs that should have won at least 1 game.  He's not perfect and this off-season needs to get his mindset sharpened.  But the weak link in Buffalo is the HC who, at crucial times falls short all too often.  

hold on a second mate… it doesn’t take a “talking head” to let someone see the Von signing not paying the dividend it should. Guy is getting up there in playing age and the tape shows that after coming back from his injury, even if the claim people make of “only being 75% back to himself”, he can be not existent. His stats the past 3 years show a decline in sacks; 8/9.5/8, average. Especially for a 6/$120m with a buyout in 2025 for $52.4m.