LeGOATski Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 1 minute ago, HappyDays said: What other active head coaches would have a Josh Allen led team at .500 this late in the season? I mean that has to be the absolute floor of what even a replacement level head coach would accomplish. You're giving a lot of other coaches WAY too much credit. Just off the top of my head, Staley, Rivera, Lafleur, Saleh, McDaniels (fired), Pierce, Dennis Allen, Arthur Smith, McCarthy....arguably Daboll, Reich, O'Connell.... all could easily be worse with this same team. That's way above bottom 5. If you don't think so, I don't think you're being honest and you're just emotional after a loss. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seattlebillsfan Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 A key question is, who is the accountable decision maker? A strong GM would fire McDermott tomorrow and probably would have after the Broncos or Pats games. But Beane did not do that then and is unlikely to do so tomorrow. Is that because Beane is compromised in some way given his tight interrelationship with McDermott throughout their tenure? And if that is the case must Beane and McDermott go together? And if that is the case how much confidence should we have in Terry getting these choices right without Kim there to call the shots as she may well have done when they drafted #17? Or is there another path forward? Can Terry just call Beane in the morning and say look, I need to roll the dice with one of you chuckleheads, clearly it’s not Sean; he is a loser. The whole world can see it … so bring me a plan in 7 days for how to turn this thing around or else you are done, too? it is an interesting management and governance moment… 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 3 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: You're giving a lot of other coaches WAY too much credit. Just off the top of my head, Staley, Rivera, Lafleur, Saleh, McDaniels (fired), Pierce, Dennis Allen, Arthur Smith, McCarthy....arguably Daboll, Reich, O'Connell.... all could easily be worse with this same team. That's way above bottom 5. If you don't think so, I don't think you're being honest and you're just emotional after a loss. I think .500 with an elite QB is as bad as it gets to be honest. That's not me being emotional, it should just be the normal standard. I mean it just doesn't happen in the modern era. Staley is the only coach you mentioned that has a QB even approaching Josh Allen. And FWIW I agree Staley is one of the few coaches that I would definitively say is worse than McDermott, for the same reason just on a worse scale. Bowles is up there for sure. Ditto for Rivera. McDaniels before he got fired. Other than that... I can't see any distinct advantages that McDermott gives us over any other head coach in the league. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 26 minutes ago, RoscoeParrish said: No. He brought Dorsey onto his staff in a junior role. Allen was Dorsey’s pick when Daboll left, hence the promotion. McD canned Allen’s boy, and that was clearly the right decision. and yet you defended Dorsey too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 2 minutes ago, HappyDays said: I think .500 with an elite QB is as bad as it gets to be honest. That's not me being emotional, it should just be the normal standard. I mean it just doesn't happen in the modern era. Staley is the only coach you mentioned that has a QB even approaching Josh Allen. And FWIW I agree Staley is one of the few coaches that I would definitively say is worse than McDermott, for the same reason just on a worse scale. Bowles is up there for sure. Ditto for Rivera. McDaniels before he got fired. Other than that... I can't see any distinct advantages that McDermott gives us over any other head coach in the league. It's very subjective, but you're giving some other coaches WAY too much credit. I've seen a lot of terrible coaching from the guys I listed and many of them have barely half the leadership qualities McDermott does. I'm not against replacing McDermott, but people are going over the top after this loss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoscoeParrish Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 3 minutes ago, Scott7975 said: and yet you defended Dorsey too. Yes, I was wrong. I will admit I thought the problems on O ran deeper than just the OC. Through 2 games, it’s hard to argue that Dorsey wasn’t a major problem schematically, mentally, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 1 minute ago, RoscoeParrish said: Yes, I was wrong. I will admit I thought the problems on O ran deeper than just the OC. Through 2 games, it’s hard to argue that Dorsey wasn’t a major problem schematically, mentally, etc. I think you are wrong here too but I will give you credit that you admit when you are wrong. Nothing wrong with having an opinion though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 1 hour ago, Joe Ferguson said: Eagles fired HC Doug Pederson just 2 years after leading his Eagles team to a Lombardi trophy. Why is McWimpy still here for the past six years of mediocrity? And then they went to a SB and are in a top spot right now. We are just spinning our wheels with a serial chocker. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 (edited) 42 minutes ago, HappyDays said: What other active head coaches would have a Josh Allen led team at .500 this late in the season? I mean that has to be the absolute floor of what even a replacement level head coach would accomplish. Sean Payton went 8-8 with Drew Brees. You know that there's a long history of franchise QBs missing the playoffs right? We aren't Brady/Belichick. Edited November 27, 2023 by FireChans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBear Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 I now believe that Josh Allen made Sean McDermott. McDermott is skilled at building/scheming a defense that can feast on The Sisters of the Poor of the NFL, but that's about it. His defense sucks in big games or against pretty much any top-15 quarterback. He needs to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 Not yet. If we miss the playoffs it might be, though. Objectively, if we had to choose 1 of our 6 remaining games to lose, it was this one. Non conference road game against maybe the best team in the NFL and you probably should have won. We have a bye week... let's see what they do after that. I know no one wants any optimistic viewpoint right now, but that was the toughest game left on our schedule. Maybe it acts like the Tampa loss in 2021. Maybe not. Regardless, the result of this game was the least important result of all our remaining games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 40 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: It's very subjective, but you're giving some other coaches WAY too much credit. I've seen a lot of terrible coaching from the guys I listed and many of them have barely half the leadership qualities McDermott does. I'm not against replacing McDermott, but people are going over the top after this loss. It’s not about “this loss” Its about the entire year, his entire tenure and the fact “this loss” happens regularly in big moments for this HC. McDermott has us at 6-6 with an elite QB, owner willing to spend anything it takes and an above average GM that used any resource we could to give McDermott adequate injury replacements for 2 of the 3 guys we lost for the season. Pretty sure most HC’s could achieve .500 with Allen, Diggs, Kincaid, Top 5 OL and a stable of pass rushers that form a top 5 pass rush. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBear Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 4 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: Not yet. If we miss the playoffs it might be, though. Objectively, if we had to choose 1 of our 6 remaining games to lose, it was this one. Non conference road game against maybe the best team in the NFL and you probably should have won. Technically, that's correct, but being real, do you really believe this team can make the playoffs? At this point, Sean's defense folding like a cheap suit in the fourth quarter has become the norm. And it's not just against the Mahomes and Hurts of the world. We pissed away leads against Mac Jones, Zach Wilson, washed up Wilson, and honestly should have lost to Tyrod Taylor if not for a gift from the refs. (Nearly pissed away the Bucs game too). Keep Sean McDermott and you're gonna get more of the same. This is who he is. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 11 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: Not yet. If we miss the playoffs it might be, though. Objectively, if we had to choose 1 of our 6 remaining games to lose, it was this one. Non conference road game against maybe the best team in the NFL and you probably should have won. We have a bye week... let's see what they do after that. I know no one wants any optimistic viewpoint right now, but that was the toughest game left on our schedule. Maybe it acts like the Tampa loss in 2021. Maybe not. Regardless, the result of this game was the least important result of all our remaining games. Do you think the Bills can go 5-0 down the stretch? Talent wise, with Allen, I actually do. Execution, discipline and coaching-wise.. I do not. Because 5-0 is likely what it will take to get in, unless the Texans, Broncos, Colts or all start falling apart to leave that 7 spot wide open or Browns/Steelers stop winning rock fights every week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 1 hour ago, seattlebillsfan said: A key question is, who is the accountable decision maker? A strong GM would fire McDermott tomorrow and probably would have after the Broncos or Pats games. But Beane did not do that then and is unlikely to do so tomorrow. Is that because Beane is compromised in some way given his tight interrelationship with McDermott throughout their tenure? And if that is the case must Beane and McDermott go together? And if that is the case how much confidence should we have in Terry getting these choices right without Kim there to call the shots as she may well have done when they drafted #17? Or is there another path forward? Can Terry just call Beane in the morning and say look, I need to roll the dice with one of you chuckleheads, clearly it’s not Sean; he is a loser. The whole world can see it … so bring me a plan in 7 days for how to turn this thing around or else you are done, too? it is an interesting management and governance moment… If Terry is a smart businessman, that's exactly what he has to do. Keep Beane for the time being and fire McDermott. Start your search for a dynamic offensive minded HC. There's definitely some out there. I think even Kim would tell him this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsgoodtime Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 1 hour ago, LeGOATski said: It's very subjective, but you're giving some other coaches WAY too much credit. I've seen a lot of terrible coaching from the guys I listed and many of them have barely half the leadership qualities McDermott does. I'm not against replacing McDermott, but people are going over the top after this loss. I read both your posts, I dont think he is going over the top, just what he is honestly feeling. I happen to agree with him, just because it differs from your opinion does mean it's over the top. Its not really over the top at all, watch our games this year. We are a way better team than our record says talent wise. It's coaching. Just take a look at the teams we lost to 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 50 minutes ago, TheBrownBear said: Technically, that's correct, but being real, do you really believe this team can make the playoffs? If Allen and the offense can keep playing like this... yes, I do. 50 minutes ago, SCBills said: Do you think the Bills can go 5-0 down the stretch? Talent wise, with Allen, I actually do. Execution, discipline and coaching-wise.. I do not. Because 5-0 is likely what it will take to get in, unless the Texans, Broncos, Colts or all start falling apart to leave that 7 spot wide open or Browns/Steelers stop winning rock fights every week. Yes, I think the Bills can go 5-0 down the stretch if Allen and the offense keep their level of play up. I actually think they could lose 1 and still get in, though. I also think people are really overvaluing the Dolphins, who I could easily see losing to anyone remaining on their schedule, including the Commanders next Sunday. Do you guys think any of our remaining games will be tougher than the one today? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 6 hours ago, Nextmanup said: Most people will not join where I've been for a couple of years. This was a classic big, close, exciting game...that the Bills lose. It's what McDermott does. Get rid of him THIS YEAR and get the rebuild going sooner than later. you don't rebuild with Josh Allen as your QB. Everey loss, like last years regular season, has been by under 6 points. I respect majority of ppl on this board. Be careful what you wish for 13 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: If Allen and the offense can keep playing like this... yes, I do. Yes, I think the Bills can go 5-0 down the stretch if Allen and the offense keep their level of play up. I actually think they could lose 1 and still get in, though. I also think people are really overvaluing the Dolphins, who I could easily see losing to anyone remaining on their schedule, including the Commanders next Sunday. Do you guys think any of our remaining games will be tougher than the one today? Finally some optimism. I agree. We'll certainly have a legit chance to win every game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
letsgoteam Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 I am usually the last to get on the fire bandwagon but how any more losses can players take like this and where they still listen to the coach? but what coach out there is ready to lead the Bills to the next level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 (edited) 39 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: If Allen and the offense can keep playing like this... yes, I do. Yes, I think the Bills can go 5-0 down the stretch if Allen and the offense keep their level of play up. I actually think they could lose 1 and still get in, though. I also think people are really overvaluing the Dolphins, who I could easily see losing to anyone remaining on their schedule, including the Commanders next Sunday. Do you guys think any of our remaining games will be tougher than the one today? The Bills could go 5-0 but Cowboys and KC are going to be just as tough as today was. Personally, I think the Cowboys have a better offense than the Eagles but aren't as consistent week to week. I don't really know what to think of the Chargers game. I feel like the Chargers suck but I also feel like we play them so little that its the team that can blow us out in some weird game that shouldn't happen. That hasn't happened to us yet this year, but usually does. I think you are undervaluing Miami based on past years and our past game with them. It's unlikely that Miami loses a game other than maybe against the Cowboys and Ravens. The Ravens were garbage today on offense. Losing Andrews to them is like KC losing Kelce. It was a huge loss. Ravens D won that game. Not sure they can stop Miami like that but maybe. Those are the two games that Miami could lose to. They aren't losing against the Commanders and they aren't losing against the Titans. Miami may not have beat the good teams this year but they have won the games they were supposed to and most of them pretty convincingly. The Bills matchup, I dunno. I think Josh has their number. I think McD is comfortable game planning against them. I don't think it will be as easy as the last game though. Edited November 27, 2023 by Scott7975 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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