bills6969 Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 This is the most loaded QB class that I can remember: Caleb Williams Drake Maye Michael Penix Bo Nix Jayden Daniels JJ McCarthy Shadeur Sanders Quinn Ewers Dillon Gabriel Sam Hartman Tons of potential franchise QBs on this list. Unfortunately the Pats are going to get one of the guys at the top. IMO, Bo Nix will be the best of the bunch. I also like Penix, he has a cannon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coloradobillsfan Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 I'm going to hijack this thread just to mention that Division II Colorado School of Mines quarterback John Matocha is pretty darn good. I just got back from my 4th game of the season, and in every one he has exhibited composure and talent. He recently broke Case Keenum's all time NCAAF record for total touchdowns. CSM hasn't had a player drafted since 1940 (aside from a 9th round kicker in '75) so we're hoping someone will give him a shot 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 2 hours ago, coloradobillsfan said: I'm going to hijack this thread just to mention that Division II Colorado School of Mines quarterback John Matocha is pretty darn good. I just got back from my 4th game of the season, and in every one he has exhibited composure and talent. He recently broke Case Keenum's all time NCAAF record for total touchdowns. CSM hasn't had a player drafted since 1940 (aside from a 9th round kicker in '75) so we're hoping someone will give him a shot Good to know. Maybe he'll get an invite to the Shrine Game and/or the Senior Bowl. Would be good to see him play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 I haven't seen enough of many of them to say who is the best prospect, but I must say that Jayden Daniels looks GREAT. He is a sharp passer with a strong arm and he can run, and throw on the run. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBFL Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 14 hours ago, coloradobillsfan said: I'm going to hijack this thread just to mention that Division II Colorado School of Mines quarterback John Matocha is pretty darn good. I just got back from my 4th game of the season, and in every one he has exhibited composure and talent. He recently broke Case Keenum's all time NCAAF record for total touchdowns. CSM hasn't had a player drafted since 1940 (aside from a 9th round kicker in '75) so we're hoping someone will give him a shot Torn as to whether or not Caleb Williams will succeed in the NFL. He’s had some really rough games against mediocre teams, has an ego this year that’s above everybody and any situation he said he’ll find himself in; confidence is one thing but his comments have been brazen with no accountability. Overall, going into the draft, it’s a loaded class for QBs. Maye is great at getting the ball downfield but misses some easy throws in the short game, that can be schemed and play called for him to succeed more. Kid is also an awesome runner and seems to dominate there when he does. Penix Jr., very similar to Maye in those regards but seems to process his reads quicker. Daniels is a wild card, dude is a great mobile quarterback who’s shown amazing progression over the past few years. Still a project but has the arm talent to spread the ball anywhere on the field. The rest, I haven’t watched enough football over the past few years to give any opinion. but if I’m taking a QB I’d got for Maye, Daniels, Williams in that order. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 this class is going to be a case study of “does staying in school 6 years make you a better NFLQB” 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liberal Bob Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 Don't forget Spencer Rattler S Carolina. His numbers are not great due to a poor line in front of him but he can throw and run. He was the number 1 qb prospect coming out of high school. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Day 10 Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 I think this is a great class if you are a team with a lower/middle pick. It is a deep class, but I don't see any blue chip top, cant miss QBs now that the luster has fallen off of Williams. . Actually reminds me a bit of the Darnold/Mayfield/Allen/Jackson/Rudolph/Rosen class. I think it will come down to who gets selected into good situations, and they get insulated with good coaching and an offense that puts him in a position to succeed. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 (edited) 10 hours ago, May Day 10 said: I think this is a great class if you are a team with a lower/middle pick. It is a deep class, but I don't see any blue chip top, cant miss QBs now that the luster has fallen off of Williams. . Actually reminds me a bit of the Darnold/Mayfield/Allen/Jackson/Rudolph/Rosen class. I think it will come down to who gets selected into good situations, and they get insulated with good coaching and an offense that puts him in a position to succeed. I don't know why people are saying the luster has fallen off Williams LOL He is literally USC's team... Is carrying them and actually has better stats than last year in areas A better rating, a higher completion percentage, and better yards per attempt On a weaker team 11.9 attempts per TD last year, 12.9 this year ... Basically the same He just hasn't thrown 500 times this season Edited November 29, 2023 by Buffalo716 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 On 11/28/2023 at 12:22 PM, Buffalo716 said: I don't know why people are saying the luster has fallen off Williams LOL He is literally USC's team... Is carrying them and actually has better stats than last year in areas A better rating, a higher completion percentage, and better yards per attempt On a weaker team 11.9 attempts per TD last year, 12.9 this year ... Basically the same He just hasn't thrown 500 times this season Watch him play. He holds on to the ball forever and he turns it over a lot, just like another recent QB bust from USC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, mannc said: Watch him play. He holds on to the ball forever and he turns it over a lot, just like another recent QB bust from USC. That's a product of his defense giving up 38 points a game You can't dink and dunk down the field for 40 a game Giving up five yard completions to push the ball down the field is part of the game plan... he can easily take a check down if he wants and he's nothing like darnold There's a reason why scouts are comparing him to a mahomes and Allen skill set... He's built for the modern NFL he's definitely better than CJ Stroud And he's literally playing Superman because Riley can't put a competent team around him .. something that CJ Stroud or Bryce young or Tua or Burrow didn't have to do... Hes used to having to do everything... Like Allen... There's not one college quarterback with as much on their shoulders as he has I've watched him play a bunch hence why I've said he's the number one quarterback since he was a freshman at Oklahoma He would have been the number one pick unquestioned last year He has a stronger arm than Joe burrow... He could extend a play like Josh Allen... Throws on the run like Josh... Breaks sack attempts in and outside the pocket... Throws a tight spiral and a very catchable ball... And does more with less than his peers... He's under more scrutiny than any quarterback since Peyton Manning... I went to the high school All-American game years ago to watch Trevor Lawrence as a scout.... He was the best 17-year-old quarterback I had ever seen But he had the team and the people around him to help alleviate the pressure... Caleb is literally playing with the world on his shoulders which a college athlete shouldn't have to do The pressure the University and fans are putting on him is more than any player I've seen since Peyton Manning Edited December 1, 2023 by Buffalo716 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 Just based solely off tonight’s game: Penix can spin it from the pocket. Although I wonder what he would look like without guys running wide open and good pass pro. Doesn’t seem to have that natural ability to create. I don’t see anything elite from him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 8 minutes ago, EmotionallyUnstable said: Just based solely off tonight’s game: Penix can spin it from the pocket. Although I wonder what he would look like without guys running wide open and good pass pro. Doesn’t seem to have that natural ability to create. I don’t see anything elite from him. Penix is also a 6th year senior .... He is gonna get drafted top 4 rounds but he has severe injury history Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 Prolly Daniels. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 Not a big fan of Penix. I like Nix, but not sure he does anything elite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 2 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said: Not a big fan of Penix. I like Nix, but not sure he does anything elite. Both are prototypical college QBs Very nuanced in their system.. good at a lot of things , not great at anything Alot of average traits ... But developable I wouldn't take a first on them but they have developmental ability Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 5 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Both are prototypical college QBs Very nuanced in their system.. good at a lot of things , not great at anything Alot of average traits ... But developable I wouldn't take a first on them but they have developmental ability I actually think Penix has the physical traits to be an NFL starter. Just something off about him to me. Not sure why doesn’t use his legs more. It’s like he’s trying too hard to prove he’s a pocket passer. But I thought same thing about Hurts coming out of college and now he’s one of best QB’s in NFL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 8 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said: I actually think Penix has the physical traits to be an NFL starter. Just something off about him to me. Not sure why doesn’t use his legs more. It’s like he’s trying too hard to prove he’s a pocket passer. But I thought same thing about Hurts coming out of college and now he’s one of best QB’s in NFL. Probably because penix has a terrible injury history Torn 2 acls with a bad shoulder surgery He has been in college forever 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 I'd guess Jayden Daniels. Tyler Shough was going to be my sleeper pick until he broke his leg early and decided to play another year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 On 11/30/2023 at 8:16 PM, mannc said: Watch him play. He holds on to the ball forever and he turns it over a lot, just like another recent QB bust from USC. I know time flies and all and I hate to be the one to break it to you but Rob Johnson wasn’t ll that recent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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