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THE INTERNATIONAL PRESS CALLS HIM “FAR RIGHT’ AND WOULD HAVE PREFERRED THE PERONIST: 

 

Argentina elects ‘shock therapy’ libertarian Javier Milei as president. 

 

“Official results showed Milei with near 56% versus 44% for his rival, Peronist Economy Minister Sergio Massa, who conceded in a speech. His candidacy was hampered by the country’s worst economic crisis in two decades while he has been at the helm. . . .

 

Milei is pledging economic shock therapy. His plans include shutting the central bank, ditching the peso, and slashing spending, potentially painful reforms that resonated with voters angry at the economic malaise.”

 

Plus, young voters seem to have delivered the election to him: “Milei has been particularly popular among the young, who have grown up seeing their country lurch from one crisis to another.”

 

 

 

UPDATE: Looking 20 minutes into the future:

 

 

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Oh, this will be interesting. 
 

"This model of decadence has come to an end. There is no turning back," he told his supporters in his victory speech, promising a new era for Argentina.

"From being the richest country in the world, today we are (ranked) 130. Half of Argentines are poor and the other 10% are destitute. Stop this impoverishing model of the caste. Today we embrace the Libertarian model so as to return to being a global power," he said.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-67470549

 

 

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Oh, this will be interesting. 
 

"This model of decadence has come to an end. There is no turning back," he told his supporters in his victory speech, promising a new era for Argentina.

"From being the richest country in the world, today we are (ranked) 130. Half of Argentines are poor and the other 10% are destitute. Stop this impoverishing model of the caste. Today we embrace the Libertarian model so as to return to being a global power," he said.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-67470549

 

 

inflation over 100%

40% of the country in poverty.

devaluation of Argentina Peso

 

That country has not been Rich, in decades.

 

and why they chose small government over the Statist/Huge government that's been a disaster.  

 

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-argentina-economy-idUSKCN1LD1S7/

 

What's wrong with Libertarians?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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But while his supporters took to the streets of the capital, Buenos Aires, chanting "change!", there are also those who worry about what Mr Milei's victory may mean for Argentine society.

His choice of Victoria Villarruel as his vice-presidential running mate shocked human rights campaigners in the country, in which 30,000 people were killed or forcibly disappeared under military rule from 1976 to 1983.

Ms Villarruel, who comes from a military family, has defended officers convicted of crimes against humanity and proposed dismantling a museum which commemorates victims of Argentina's military junta.

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Time will tell if he’s the real deal, but this was a massive win for the conservative/libertarian movement in the West.

 

This guy has the brashness of Donald Trump but with the mindset of Ron DeSantis. 
 

The culture war must be fought with a heavy hand.   Any conservative who doesn’t believe this (Nikki Haley) has no business running for office in this political climate. 
 

 

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1 minute ago, SCBills said:

Time will tell if he’s the real deal, but this was a massive win for the conservative/libertarian movement in the West.

 

This guy has the brashness of Donald Trump but with the mindset of Ron DeSantis. 
 

The culture war must be fought with a heavy hand.   Any conservative who doesn’t believe this (Nikki Haley) has no business running for office in this political climate. 
 

 

Apparently he has very little support in their legislature, so unfortunently we can';t get a full blown Libertarian experiment. His proposal to hitch their currancy to the US dollar doesn't sound Libertarian at all. Actually, that's kind of the opposite. Smoke and mirrors 

 

 

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Apparently he has very little support in their legislature, so unfortunently we can';t get a full blown Libertarian experiment. His proposal to hitch their currancy to the US dollar doesn't sound Libertarian at all. Actually, that's kind of the opposite. Smoke and mirrors 

 

 


So now the MAGA nutters are libertarians? 
 

LOL

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32 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Apparently he has very little support in their legislature, so unfortunently we can';t get a full blown Libertarian experiment. His proposal to hitch their currancy to the US dollar doesn't sound Libertarian at all. Actually, that's kind of the opposite. Smoke and mirrors 

 

 

Many countries "peg" their currency to the dollar.  Singapore, Saudi Arabia, and China, using a managed hi/lo band of exchange prices, to name a few.  So its not all that unusual.    

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2 hours ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

Many countries "peg" their currency to the dollar.  Singapore, Saudi Arabia, and China, using a managed hi/lo band of exchange prices, to name a few.  So its not all that unusual.    

What? Not for Libertarians! They think the US dollar is a tool used by the Central government to oppress us. They have been screaming for us to (stupidly) go back on the gold standard 

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But while his supporters took to the streets of the capital, Buenos Aires, chanting "change!", there are also those who worry about what Mr Milei's victory may mean for Argentine society.

His choice of Victoria Villarruel as his vice-presidential running mate shocked human rights campaigners in the country, in which 30,000 people were killed or forcibly disappeared under military rule from 1976 to 1983.

Ms Villarruel, who comes from a military family, has defended officers convicted of crimes against humanity and proposed dismantling a museum which commemorates victims of Argentina's military junta.

 

Correction. Villarruel only wants to acknowledge the victims of the terrorists called montoneros. She's only pursuing the thruth and justice for those who, over the years, have no voice and no representation, that's all. 

The part regarding the musuem, it's true, though I wouldn't use the word dismantling. She just offers ideas to use that place (42 acres) for recreational purposes. Over that period that building/place  was a technical school. 

Unfortunately, human rights in Argentina has been used for money laundring by the nefast family Kirchner, not to mention that they have ties with countries like Cuba and Venezuela. Our vicepresident, Cristina Kirchner, has been found guilty of state fraud, she should be at least in house arrest.  

 

Right now Argentina is a cesspool of socialism. Corruption running amock, living in a narco state with no law and order. 140% yearly inflation, with a fiscal pressure that is insane for the level of quality of life this country has to offer.

 

 

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Correction. Villarruel only wants to acknowledge the victims of the terrorists called montoneros. She's only pursuing the thruth and justice for those who, over the years, have no voice and no representation, that's all. 

The part regarding the musuem, it's true, though I wouldn't use the word dismantling. She just offers ideas to use that place (42 acres) for recreational purposes. Over that period that building/place  was a technical school. 

Unfortunately, human rights in Argentina has been used for money laundring by the nefast family Kirchner, not to mention that they have ties with countries like Cuba and Venezuela. Our vicepresident, Cristina Kirchner, has been found guilty of state fraud, she should be at least in house arrest.  

 

Right now Argentina is a cesspool of socialism. Corruption running amock, living in a narco state with no law and order. 140% yearly inflation, with a fiscal pressure that is insane for the level of quality of life this country has to offer.

 

 

Hope it gets on the right track 

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Right now Argentina is a cesspool of socialism. Corruption running amock, living in a narco state with no law and order. 140% yearly inflation, with a fiscal pressure that is insane for the level of quality of life this country has to offer.

 

 

 

Having visited your country many times per month in my previous career, I sincerely wish for a successful transition from the gross corruption of the Kirchner, and previous, regimes,

Such incredible economic and agricultural potential being sucked out by corruption and socialist malpractice.

Simply clearing up law enforcement and customs department corruption will be a monumental task.

 

Buena suerte amigo.

Cruzare los dedos por ti. 

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Gracias Sherpa and everyone wishing us well!

 

We have a very difficult work ahead, we have now 3 generations of people that doesn't know what hard work means, unfortunately they don't have the educational tools to do so because they have collected a paycheck from the goverment for 20 years straight without giving anything back to the community.

 

Unfortunately we practice "social justice" instead of justice. We are hoping for the best, we just want to live in normal conditions, that's all. 

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Gracias Sherpa and everyone wishing us well!

 

We have a very difficult work ahead, we have now 3 generations of people that doesn't know what hard work means, unfortunately they don't have the educational tools to do so because they have collected a paycheck from the goverment for 20 years straight without giving anything back to the community.

 

Unfortunately we practice "social justice" instead of justice. We are hoping for the best, we just want to live in normal conditions, that's all. 

Yikes—that sounds daunting indeed. Best of luck to you and your family. 

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ROGER KIMBALL: MAGA, Argentina Style.

 

So, Javier Milei was elected president of that troubled South American country on Sunday.

 

That couldn’t happen.

 

Everyone who was anyone knew that the expletive-spewing, chainsaw-wielding“anarcho-capitalist” couldn’t possibly win the presidency.

 

The 53-year-old economist (he had been chief economist for Argentina’s airport system) and talking head was too wild, too extreme, too unruly to be taken seriously.

 

He was also too radical in his proposals.

 

But then the impossible turned into the inevitable.

 

And note that Mr. Milei didn’t just win.

 

He won in something close to a landslide, with nearly 56 percent of the vote to 44 percent for his opponent, Economy Minister Sergio Massa.

 

And of course, back in the USA, the MSM-DNC is pouncing and seizing in response:

 

https://www.theepochtimes.com/opinion/maga-argentina-style-5532792

 

 

 

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Gracias Sherpa and everyone wishing us well!

 

We have a very difficult work ahead, we have now 3 generations of people that doesn't know what hard work means, unfortunately they don't have the educational tools to do so because they have collected a paycheck from the goverment for 20 years straight without giving anything back to the community.

 

Unfortunately we practice "social justice" instead of justice. We are hoping for the best, we just want to live in normal conditions, that's all. 

 

This is going to be a troubled road, becasue there are so many people dependent on the status quo, and they are not going to welcome change.

Still, the effect of Argentina abandoning the failed policies it has clung to over the years would not only unleash an incredible economic and cultural potential, it would break the South American proclivity for clinging to populism, government failure after failure, and proven bankrupt policy designed to do nothing other than line the pockets of corrupt individuals.

 

I can only imagine the effects if Argentina turns this around.

Brazil and Peru come to mind.

Well worth temporary pain, but I'm not sure Argentina is willing to go through it.

 

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Holy Cow ! A politician that thinks differently than the status quo & is very out spoken against those that have been in power ! I wonder how this will go for him ?

 

Do we have a example in a different country that we could use to see what he is up against ?? 

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We'll have to see how libertarian he is.

Immediately in conflict: his apparent opposition to abortion rights.

Where exactly will he stand on free trade vs. protectionism? On Argentina not defaulting?

 

Goodness gracious.

If you'd ever done business in Argentina, you'd realize that his views on free trade vs. protectionism are meaningless at this point.

The start is actually being able to do business there without paying off gov employees.

Regarding default, they are already grossly incapable of paying off debt.

Another non issue.

 

Abortion rights?

Argentina is still a Catholic country following an Argentine Pope in Rome.

How about solving the kidnapping for ransom issue before worrying about abortion.

 

The point is that they need to clear up gross, generational, entrenched internal corruption before any of the issues you bring up can be addressed, and they have never demonstrated the will to do so, because some left wing populist has always come in to tell them that it isn't necessary, and things will be fine.

 

Fails every single time.

 

 

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Correction. Villarruel only wants to acknowledge the victims of the terrorists called montoneros. She's only pursuing the thruth and justice for those who, over the years, have no voice and no representation, that's all. 

The part regarding the musuem, it's true, though I wouldn't use the word dismantling. She just offers ideas to use that place (42 acres) for recreational purposes. Over that period that building/place  was a technical school. 

Unfortunately, human rights in Argentina has been used for money laundring by the nefast family Kirchner, not to mention that they have ties with countries like Cuba and Venezuela. Our vicepresident, Cristina Kirchner, has been found guilty of state fraud, she should be at least in house arrest.  

 

Right now Argentina is a cesspool of socialism. Corruption running amock, living in a narco state with no law and order. 140% yearly inflation, with a fiscal pressure that is insane for the level of quality of life this country has to offer.

 

 

Are you old enough to remember the sink of the Gen. Belgrano? I was in high school when that happened. Pretty big international incident and its one of the biggest news stories that impacted me at the time. I did not know until I was older that it was controversial. Only the second ship since WW2 sunk by a sub, with perhaps just once since (N. Korea sinking a S. Korean vessel perhaps) and only nuclear sub to sink a vessel. The Belgrano had been an America cruiser, but the news at the time called it a battleship. 300 sailors perished. I had watched a lot of the "Victory at Sea" series as a kid and the world at war BBc special and it seemed like something right out of WW2 to me at the time. 

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Are you old enough to remember the sink of the Gen. Belgrano? I was in high school when that happened. Pretty big international incident and its one of the biggest news stories that impacted me at the time. I did not know until I was older that it was controversial. Only the second ship since WW2 sunk by a sub, with perhaps just once since (N. Korea sinking a S. Korean vessel perhaps) and only nuclear sub to sink a vessel. The Belgrano had been an America cruiser, but the news at the time called it a battleship. 300 sailors perished. I had watched a lot of the "Victory at Sea" series as a kid and the world at war BBc special and it seemed like something right out of WW2 to me at the time. 

 

I was seven at the time. Too young to remember. 

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7 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said:

We'll have to see how libertarian he is.

Immediately in conflict: his apparent opposition to abortion rights.

Where exactly will he stand on free trade vs. protectionism? On Argentina not defaulting?


Lots of libertarians are pro-life. 
 

Just like lots of libertarians believe murder should be illegal…

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Argentina's president-elect Javier Milei says first overseas trips to be U.S., Israel
Ynet ^ | Nov 20, 2023

 

Argentina's President-elect Javier Milei said his first overseas trips ahead of his inauguration will be to the United States, then Israel, in a radio interview on Monday, following his election victory over the weekend.

 

 

 

https://www.ynetnews.com/article/h1f7gjyvt

Demented Biden won’t even know who this dude is if he visits.  No bribe money available from Argentina.  Aid goes to bribery countries like  Iran and Ukraine.  What a mess.  

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