Week 9 thread - We’re on to Cincinnati

[Beck Water]

1 hour ago, Success said:

Any word on Benford? Norman being active is a little concerning.

 

Though, I think he can do a decent enough job.  On defense, I think this game comes down more to the line being able to get to Burrow and be disruptive..

 

We start Benford and Jackson.  My guess is Norman is there primarily to take some of Cam Lewis ST snaps in case something happens and he has to come in at CB.  Damar Hamlin may be active also, for ST and in case we need a 2nd backup safety if Lewis is already playing.

 

Great question of course is whether or not Rasul Douglas is active this week. 

 

55 minutes ago, Aimee75 said:

Well then, at the very least I would call it even. We still had a healthy Milano. We had Tre'. We did not have Hyde and Miller, but again, some of the players we have back THIS season are in place of some of the ones we had LAST season, so it might be a wash and does not give me a ton of confidence going against that offense. Would much prefer to have Jones, Milano and White with us going against them.

 

We could not stop Mac Jones, so how are we supposed to stop a loaded offense with Burrow hitting his stride?

 

Well, Gosh, I guess we might as well forfeit the game, pack up, and head back to Buffalo.

Edited November 4, 2023 by Beck Water

[Beck Water]

1 hour ago, Billsfan1972 said:

No idea why people got upset as hes just a Cincinnati fan who is giving his semi bias opinion as I do about the Bills.

 

They may have been a little bit biased. But what else would you expect?

 

People were getting annoyed because he was behaving in a way we generally consider trollish, while saying he's just here for good football talk.  Slinging insults around, being kinda pugnacious.  He seems to have backed it down several notches now.

[strive_for_five_guy]

3 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

Well, for starters, a QB who doesn't DNP Weds with a sore shoulder.  Don't you think an uninjured starting QB could be a key factor?

 

 

Josh has been bad mentally in several games, starting with the opener at the Jets.

If we lose, I don’t foresee it being a result of Josh’s shoulder.  But he could prove me wrong.

[Einstein]

20 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

He doesn't have an injury designation but the word was that he sat out that practice with a sore hamstring.

Typically, if that injury makes him questionable for the game, the team has to disclose that.

[Beck Water]

4 minutes ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

If we lose, I don’t foresee it being a result of Josh’s shoulder.  But he could prove me wrong.

 

I apologize that I lack the energy about it to go back and look, but I thought you were saying basically everything was hunky-dory for this game, couldn't be better.

I don't think a QB with a sore shoulder on his throwing arm who DNP one day exactly 'bodes well'.  The GM basically saying "OK, we need help at CB, DT, and RB" but not having those guys in the building with enough time to really learn their roles is also an issue.

 

I'm not saying those will be causes to lose the game, I'm just saying that I think there are several factors that don't bode well, that handicap us.

[BADOLBILZ]

9 minutes ago, Einstein said:

Typically, if that injury makes him questionable for the game, the team has to disclose that.

 

 

Yeah they obviously don't see him as questionable then and it's only worth noting because it might be foreshadow an injury that COULD impact his availability sometime later in the season.

[Herc11]

19 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

Great question of course is whether or not Rasul Douglas is active this week.

 

Rasul and the other two better be active and play. I don't care about terminology, these guys are vets. Let their instincts fill in the gaps. This isn't a game to be coaching timid.

[Paul Costa]

33 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

He doesn't have an injury designation but the word was that he sat out that practice with a sore hamstring.

If he didn’t practice he’d have an injury designation. That’s the point. 

[BADOLBILZ]

Just now, Paul Costa said:

If he didn’t practice he’d have an injury designation. That’s the point. 

 

 

Just going by what Shill Capaccio said about Benford practice regimen this week on WGR yesterday.........and while I have little respect for Shill and his habit of talking out of both sides of his mouth(like "people who criticize Tremaine don't know football" and 6 months later "Tremaine just couldn't make plays" ).......it's for that very reason that I suspect Benford does have something of a tender hammy if Shill even dared mention it.    If he pops that hammy,  Shill knew it could happen!

[strive_for_five_guy]

13 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

I apologize that I lack the energy about it to go back and look, but I thought you were saying basically everything was hunky-dory for this game, couldn't be better.

I don't think a QB with a sore shoulder on his throwing arm who DNP one day exactly 'bodes well'.  The GM basically saying "OK, we need help at CB, DT, and RB" but not having those guys in the building with enough time to really learn their roles is also an issue.

 

I'm not saying those will be causes to lose the game, I'm just saying that I think there are several factors that don't bode well, that handicap us.

Got you.  Yea, I’m happy we have some “reinforcements” coming per se, as prior to those moves, it was seeming like tomorrow would be just about the best shot we could take.  If we lose, we can at least tell ourselves there’s some help on the way now.  But hoping we win so we don’t have to justify a loss 😎.

[Cheektowaga Chad]

Norman being called up more about rasul Douglas than benford in my opinion 

[Shortchaz]

4 minutes ago, Caesar said:

To be totally clear I have not changed and I have been 100% respectful to those that talk ball and are not offended by my presence.  I was only snarky to those that came at me simply because Im a Bengals fan.  I've put some on ignore so as not to respond to intentional jabs and out of respect for Simon.  Hope this helps, my only intention is to gather info and talk ball with fans of a team that I am seriously concerned about beating mine.

You say “talk ball” a lot, is that a regional thing? 

Edited November 5, 2023 by Shortchaz

[MasterStrategist]

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

He doesn't have an injury designation but the word was that he sat out that practice with a sore hamstring.

Benford is likely fine, he may have missed a few reps Friday; but it's nothing serious.

 

For others speculating about Norman being called up, that's likely to be the #3 corner.

 

Not a sure thing, but will be interesting who are 5 inactives will be: Ifedi, Anderson - almost locks- Klein/Spector ruled out (down to 4 LBs), then two of Rasul/Hamlin/Joseph - if Norman is active.

 

My guess is Rasul and Joseph.  Short week for both players, Joseph literally hasn't had any practice reps to this point.  

 

Hamlin will get the S/T snaps of Klein/Spector, Poyer has been another pseudo LB on 3rd downs too.

 

 

[Boatdrinks]

12 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said:

Benford is likely fine, he may have missed a few reps Friday; but it's nothing serious.

 

For others speculating about Norman being called up, that's likely to be the #3 corner.

 

Not a sure thing, but will be interesting who are 5 inactives will be: Ifedi, Anderson - almost locks- Klein/Spector ruled out (down to 4 LBs), then two of Rasul/Hamlin/Joseph - if Norman is active.

 

My guess is Rasul and Joseph.  Short week for both players, Joseph literally hasn't had any practice reps to this point.  

 

Hamlin will get the S/T snaps of Klein/Spector, Poyer has been another pseudo LB on 3rd downs too.

 

 

My guess is Hamlin inactive tomorrow 

Edited November 5, 2023 by Boatdrinks

[Aimee75]

1 hour ago, Beck Water said:

 

We start Benford and Jackson.  My guess is Norman is there primarily to take some of Cam Lewis ST snaps in case something happens and he has to come in at CB.  Damar Hamlin may be active also, for ST and in case we need a 2nd backup safety if Lewis is already playing.

 

Great question of course is whether or not Rasul Douglas is active this week. 

 

 

Well, Gosh, I guess we might as well forfeit the game, pack up, and head back to Buffalo.

But of course, what since my opinion clearly holds so much weight 🙄Look, I think we may be in for a very bumpy ride tomorrow, but it's not like I am going to be mad/sad if I am wrong about this 👍

[Dr.Sack]

3 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

McDermott had a plan to collapse the interior pocket last year.  It was called Ed Oliver and DaQuan Jones.  Jones was out for the playoff game, and Oliver was playing in a LB brace.  Jordan Phillips was playing hampered and saw minimal snaps.  So McDermott, perforce, started the game trying to collapse the pocket with Tim Settle and Eli Ankou, and also tried injured Ed Oliver and Boogie Basham, who got swapped to the Giants for a case of frozen pizza dough.

 

Also to take into account, we started the game with injured Jordan Poyer and Dean Marlowe at safety, then turned to Jaquan Johnson and Cam Lewis.  Our starting CBs were Tre White and Kaiir Elam (you know, the guy who's been a healthy scratch this season?).  And Tre White was not playing well at the end of last season.

 

 

 

Were you watching the same game I was?  The Fuq?

This is reason why I’m optimistic while we have injuries at all 3 levels the remaining are better than what Burrow saw in AFCD.

[Dr.Sack]

1 minute ago, Beck Water said:

 

It’s not important enough to me to go back and dissect your posts, let’s leave it I think this is a bit revisionist, JMO.   If you want to say “I haven’t changed….I’ve ignored some” that’s one interpretation of change 🤷‍♂️

 

I stand by my comments - you need to realize that when you act trollish and disruptive by attacking people here, whatever your motivation, it doesn’t just affect those people, it’s going to affect how you are seen by everyone here, not just those you go after.

 

Go Bills!

 

I agree - Benford being the wild-card

Would you say Benford is on the ascension having mostly shut down Mile Evans? Also newly acquired CB Rasul Douglas is a true X-factor. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him mixed in to goalline packages. 

[Beck Water]

16 hours ago, uninja said:

If you do this for any team you’ll see a lot of the same. You’d be shocked at how hard it is to find an open guy on a broken play in the churn of the pocket with guys barreling towards you. So hard in fact, that they pay people upwards of $40+ million a year for people who are even decently competent at it. 

 

The point is, these aren’t fans who don’t appreciate “how hard it is to find an open guy on a broken play” pointing this out.

 

These are guys who have played professional NFL ball and/or college ball/coached, and who well understand the details of how offensive plays are designed and what the normal order of reads is, who understand the details of defensive coverage, and who are pointing out things like “the rail route is usually the first read on this play because the mesh routes are designed to interfere with the rail defender, and that was wide open and Josh had time to hit it.  Instead he flushed to the L, signaled the TE to improvise by running down the sideline, and made the play”.  That's great when it works, big gain, but when it doesn't, it's 3 and out while the Rail route was the "easy" button to a 1D on 3rd and 4.  

 

Or people like Greg Cosell who has forgotten more nuances of QB play than I’ll ever know, saying “I thought the curl to Davis was the right read on that play”.  The man spends his life evaluating QB play and breaking down film and is widely respected all over the league.

 

So yeah, I don’t think it should be blown off in this case as “oh, these podcast guys just don’t understand how hard it is to play QB in the NFL”.  With guys like Kurt Warner and JT O’Sullivan, they clearly understand how hard it is - they’ve done it.

Edited November 5, 2023 by Beck Water

[boyst]

9 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said:

Would you say Benford is on the ascension having mostly shut down Mile Evans? Also newly acquired CB Rasul Douglas is a true X-factor. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him mixed in to goalline packages. 

Benford is playing very well and consistent. Dane Jackson isnt getting respect. Taron Johnson has been covering a lot of big guys, TE's primarily. Tomorrow he will be facing a stout challenge.

 

Without Milano to help in the secondary we have seen Johnson have a tougher go.

[Beck Water]

2 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

He doesn't have an injury designation but the word was that he sat out that practice with a sore hamstring.

 

If a player sits out a practice with an injury, the correct designation is “DNP” not limited.  If Benford sat out the entire practice but was listed as “limited”, that would be a violation with the league.

 

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

Just going by what Shill Capaccio said about Benford practice regimen this week on WGR yesterday.........and while I have little respect for Shill and his habit of talking out of both sides of his mouth(like "people who criticize Tremaine don't know football" and 6 months later "Tremaine just couldn't make plays" ).......it's for that very reason that I suspect Benford does have something of a tender hammy if Shill even dared mention it.    If he pops that hammy,  Shill knew it could happen!

 

The Bills listed Benford on injury report with a “hamstring” and designated him “limited”.  Most people would consider that definitive that Benford in fact has some form of hamstring injury which allowed him to practice, but kept him from completing the practice in full.

 

No need to “suspect” anything