Tulsabillsfanz Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 Throw the ball to more than one WR. Throw the ball to Kincaid when he hopefully returns next week. Let Knox block & be a secondary option, especially on key third down plays. Right now, the other team can focus on running plays and throws to Diggs & be right 80% of the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bermuda Triangle Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 Offense is pretty clearly more effective when Allen is under center. If we're running Cook from under center, that's fine. But if we're running play action with Cook in the backfield, that's an issue, because he's horrible in pass pro. Sherfield and Shakir are JAGs, and Davis is a wildcard from one week to the next (aside from the sloppy fumble, I'm pretty sure that he didn't catch the pass on the first play of the GW TD drive). Knox is also unreliable - he looks like a 50-year old man when he tries to bend down to catch passes below his knees. I don't know what the issue is with Kincaid, but he needs to be more heavily involved in the pass game, and not just as a safety valve. I don't think that 2-3 designed Allen runs would hurt, either. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 Just now, billybob71 said: take some control away from Dorsey? someone on staff who can become Run game coordinator If he, like many think, has lost some of his confidence then this would be a mistake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wizard Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 5 Things #1. Dorsey needs a "you suck" st your job with an ultimatum to get more consistent. #2. Get Mike Evans #3. Stop the shotgun draw #4. Utilize Cook and Murray more to change up pace and out of backfield. #5. If you can't get Mike Evans, then game plan with Kincaid in mind or find confidence in a receiver not named Diggs who Allen stares at the whole time. Bonus: Davis, Knox, Sherfield, and Harty should not be in next year's plans if at all possible. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 (edited) What I don't understand was the switch from the first half to the second half, it's like Dorsey has this idea of how he wants the offense to work and it ***** doesn't. Then either he changed his mind or someone changed it for him and he started spreading the ball around and it worked. Edited October 16, 2023 by Warcodered Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Simon said: I think if Dorsey is more conscientious about not always letting defensive sets dictate to him, that he can call an efficient diversified offense that better suits this team. Some hard positional coaching from the WR and TE coaches to minimize all the self-inflicted wounds is probably necessary as well. Thoughts? Edit: Please feel free to take any screaming "Fire Him, Cut Him, light his yard on fire!" takes elsewhere. I will help you with that if necessary. In all seriousness, we need a legitimate, intentionally-schemed, slot position player that can run option routes that Josh trusts. It is, by far, the biggest problem going with the offense currently. It was the biggest problem last year as well. We have ZERO players in that role. Part of that may be a lack of talent there. Part of may be an unwillingness of Dorsey's to use. With Diggs and Davis on the boundary, both as deep to intermediate route options, we need a guy running 8-12 yard routes with the freedom to cut up the seam, or curl in on the soft spots in the zone. This offense doesn't have it. They haven't had it since Cole Beasley lost his legs. And Josh desperately needs it. Edited October 16, 2023 by FireChans 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 A slot WR!! Theilin. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 It’s unpopular but this needs to be a run first team imo. Lots of motion and multiple runners. The line seems to get into a groove when they’re getting enough attempts per game. With the injuries on defense they need the time of possession. Everything under center seems to work much smoother. And Davis should probably start losing some snaps. In shootout situations or come from behind it’ll basically be the offense they’re running now. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybob71 Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 Just now, boyst said: If he, like many think, has lost some of his confidence then this would be a mistake. ok then maybe try to get him to stop over thinking everything and stick with something a bit more when it is working, which will help the offense get more physical, in a rhythm and have an identity 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoofHearted Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 10 minutes ago, Einstein said: Speaking only of this game… We run the most amount of play action in the NFL and the Giants called our bluff the entire first half. The LB’s we’re not biting on the play-action at all (they weren’t even moving). Thats why the running attack was so successful when we finally ran it (when the linebackers aren’t crashing the gaps, you can run nearly at will). It was a scenario where the Giants were begging us to run the ball but Dorsey didn’t figure it out until the second half. We didn’t sustain drives the first half. Can’t establish anything when you’re not sustaining drives. Giants also blitzed us early to take away the run along with the play action when we were under center. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 Seems like teams are taking away big plays with 2 high safeties. I think we need an upper tier RB and pound teams until they have to bring their safeties up. Cook ain’t bad but he’s not that dude. We need a younger more explosive Latavius Murray. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 15 minutes ago, Simon said: I think if Dorsey is more conscientious about not always letting defensive sets dictate to him, that he can call an efficient diversified offense that better suits this team. Some hard positional coaching from the WR and TE coaches to minimize all the self-inflicted wounds is probably necessary as well. Thoughts? Hire a senior offense assistant to help Dorsey evaluate his playbook. His playbook likely has a good portion of Daboll's and Daboll clearly understood plays we play. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted October 16, 2023 Author Share Posted October 16, 2023 3 minutes ago, HoofHearted said: We didn’t sustain drives the first half. Can’t establish anything when you’re not sustaining drives. Giants also blitzed us early to take away the run along with the play action when we were under center. They timed several of those really, really well. Kind of like a few in the Jax game last week. I wonder self-scouting/quality control should speak up a little bit. 8 minutes ago, Bermuda Triangle said: because he's horrible in pass pro. Young Mr Cook is going to give me a coronary sooner or later. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 I honestly anymore get scared when Josh throws to anyone but Diggs. Gabe and Dawson have had so many key drops that I don’t blame Josh for looking for Steff so often. But solutions should be more creativity in the run game there should be more motion, sweeps, power I, stop Dorsey’s love of the shotgun toss and draw. The passing game should involve Josh more under center and even with the safeties playing back just have Harty or Davis run a streak once a quarter and let Josh toss one downfield even if he overthrows it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 8 minutes ago, Warcodered said: What I don't understand was the switch from the first half to the second half, it's like Dorsey has this idea of how he wants the offense to work and if ***** doesn't. Then either he changed his mind or someone changed it for him and he started spreading the ball around and it worked. Second period adjustments? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybob71 Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 3 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said: Seems like teams are taking away big plays with 2 high safeties. I think we need an upper tier RB and pound teams until they have to bring their safeties up. Cook ain’t bad but he’s not that dude. We need a younger more explosive Latavius Murray. i just dont feel like Dorsey would utilize a RB like that nearly enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelius Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 Surprised by the logjam of Harty-Sherfield-Shakir activity after this many games. Would start just trying with our current players, it all still feels incomplete. I don’t think any of them have even seen 4+ targets at this point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoofHearted Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 9 minutes ago, Wizard said: 5 Things #1. Dorsey needs a "you suck" st your job with an ultimatum to get more consistent. #2. Get Mike Evans #3. Stop the shotgun draw #4. Utilize Cook and Murray more to change up pace and out of backfield. #5. If you can't get Mike Evans, then game plan with Kincaid in mind or find confidence in a receiver not named Diggs who Allen stares at the whole time. Bonus: Davis, Knox, Sherfield, and Harty should not be in next year's plans if at all possible. Didn’t run a single draw all night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 9 minutes ago, FireChans said: In all seriousness, we need a legitimate, intentionally-schemed, slot position player that can run option routes that Josh trusts. We do his name is Stefon Diggs, he also plays all the other WR positions as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoofHearted Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 10 minutes ago, Warcodered said: What I don't understand was the switch from the first half to the second half, it's like Dorsey has this idea of how he wants the offense to work and if ***** doesn't. Then either he changed his mind or someone changed it for him and he started spreading the ball around and it worked. Players executed the second half. Calls didn’t change in the open field. They were the same concepts we ran in the first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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