Allen’s underthrown passes

[Einstein]

This is not an Allen bashing thread. Please don’t turn it into one. This is a thread to talk about Allen’s tendency to underthrow this season.

 

In this particular game, Diggs torched his defender twice, deep, and I believe that there is a good chance that both would have been TD’s if the pass hit him in stride.

 

On both plays, Allen underthrew him, causing Diggs to stop running or slow down drastically.

 

He has had a couple other underthrown deep passes this season - mostly on deep throws.

 

I’m curious what you think is causing these underthrows: Do you think Allen is under-estimating how far he needs to throw it? Is it simply too far to throw? Is he not stepping into the passes? What are your thoughts?

 

This was the INT (Diggs had several steps on the defender).

 

 

And this was the deep completion to Diggs where no one covered him (he would have walked into the endzone if the ball hit him in stride).

 

Edited October 8, 2023 by Einstein

[Buffalo03]

Not sure what the problem is. Bench him

[QLBillsFan]

Did you see the pressure he was under ? Just to get these passes off? Perhaps that might have something to do with it? Diggs jumps too soon.. he catches that -Bills win 

[BBFL]

Not sure. Lack of solid protection he’s had the past couple of games but more so the weird way Josh was slower through his reads than normal. 
 

Adjustment and travel definitely played a part today. Unfortunately we did not overcome them. 

[mrags]

Careful there. I’ve brought this exact thing up in the past. And people just keep telling me that the throws are amazing and not many in the league can make these throws. Still doesn’t take away from the fact that he seems to consistently underthrow passes when his WRs are streaking deep for what should be walk in TDs.
 

he’s done this since he started in the league. His first few years he had quite a few of these to Foster and Brown as well.  

[Einstein]

2 minutes ago, QLBillsFan said:

Did you see the pressure he was under ? Just to get these passes off? Perhaps that might have something to do with it? Diggs jumps too soon.. he catches that -Bills win 

 

I actually don’t remember. Was he under pressure on those two throws? I took screenshots mid game.

[PayDaBill$]

5 minutes ago, Einstein said:

Diggs torched his defender deep, twice, and both would have been TD’s if the pass hit him in stride.

 

On both plays, Allen underthrew him, causing Diggs to stop running or slow down drastically.

 

He has had a couple other underthrown deep passes this season.

 

I’m curious what you think is causing these underthrows: Do you think Allen is under-estimating how far he needs to throw it? Is he not stepping into the passes? What are your thoughts?

 

This was the INT (should have been a TD).

 

 

And this was the deep completion to Diggs where no one covered him:

 

Happens when you can’t step into a throw cleanly 

[CincyBillsFan]

The first "under throw" is a play that takes a long time to develop.  Diggs was running sort of a horizontal pattern NOT a post pattern.  That pass was in fact perfectly thrown because Allen see's it and then launches it 50+ yards for a big gain. 

 

The 2nd "under thrown" pass you site was a perfectly thrown ball that Diggs should have caught giving us a 1st & goal.  Nine times out ten, Diggs maintains possession and doesn't have that ball stolen from him.

 

In both cases the goal is not to OVERTHROW the pass.  How many times watching any level of football do you see QB's miss wide open receivers by throwing the ball over their heads. On that play the first responsibility of the QB is to complete the pass.

 

 

[Buffalo716]

2 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

I actually don’t remember. Was he under pressure on those two throws? I took screenshots mid game.

The interception to diggs I believe he absolutely was getting pressure in his face

 

Couldn't step up... And still threw the ball 60 yards in the air

 

 

Edited October 8, 2023 by Buffalo716

[Aimee75]

FFS.

[mrags]

I’ll add to my last post. If you want to give him credit for throwing a great ball regardless. For throwing with pressure in his face. That’s all fine. But then you need to take away from the fact that he was at least a little late in  getting the ball out. Either one, a quicker read and same throw, or a throw with a little more mustard in in and they are both walk in TDs. 
 

and there was a point in the game that Diggs got all pissed looking at the previous plays on the tablet. Probably saw the same thing. He was wide open for a walk in TD and Josh missed him. 

[Big Turk]

I think Allen thinks he would rather complete the pass and ensure a completion rather than make a riskier throw and potentially miss.

[QLBillsFan]

1 minute ago, mrags said:

Careful there. I’ve brought this exact thing up in the past. And people just keep telling me that the throws are amazing and not many in the league can make these throws. Still doesn’t take away from the fact that he seems to consistently underthrow passes when his WRs are streaking deep for what should be walk in TDs.
 

he’s done this since he started in the league. His first few years he had quite a few of these to Foster and Brown as well.  

Your kidding ? Walk in TD’s ??? That’s laughable.. neither was remotely close to a walk in. The first one had a S closing and the 2nd one JA was heaving it under pressure. Keep the argument in vicinity of reality for credibility. The first one was under thrown is fair.

[Aimee75]

359 yards, 3 TDS, yeah, HE was the problem today.

 

When we lose, the Josh haters(some trolls) on this forum will show themselves.

[zow2]

He was sleepy.

[EmotionallyUnstable]

Underthrows aside because I’m not so sure about those, Allen definitely missed on a few of his balls today. He wasn’t as surgical as he has been in the past. 
 

I can think of a could balls he sailed (one to Davis on a slant) that he otherwise usually connects on. 

[PromoTheRobot]

10 minutes ago, Einstein said:

Diggs torched his defender deep, twice, and both would have been TD’s if the pass hit him in stride.

 

On both plays, Allen underthrew him, causing Diggs to stop running or slow down drastically.

 

He has had a couple other underthrown deep passes this season.

 

I’m curious what you think is causing these underthrows: Do you think Allen is under-estimating how far he needs to throw it? Is he not stepping into the passes? What are your thoughts?

 

This was the INT (should have been a TD).

 

 

And this was the deep completion to Diggs where no one covered him:

 

 

Both are true. It wasn't Josh's best game.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

He's still overcorrecting from a few years ago. When he missed his long passes in the past they were too far. Now it seems he is trying his best not to overshoot the WR. 

[Since1981]

3 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

I think Allen thinks he would rather complete the pass and ensure a completion rather than make a riskier throw and potentially miss.

 

I hope that’s it. I wondered about this as a specific safer choice Vs elbow 

[mrags]

1 minute ago, QLBillsFan said:

Your kidding ? Walk in TD’s ??? That’s laughable.. neither was remotely close to a walk in. The first one had a S closing and the 2nd one JA was heaving it under pressure. Keep the argument in vicinity of reality for credibility. The first one was under thrown is fair.

Yeah. Your exactly the type I’m saying always makes excuses. 
 

1 minute ago, Aimee75 said:

359 yards, 3 TDS, yeah, HE was the problem today.

 

When we lose, the Josh haters(some trolls) on this forum will show themselves.

same. Excuses. 

listen. I’m the biggest Josh fan. Always have been. He’s the guy I wanted to draft all along. He’s the guy that I saw something special in him very early. I’ll always be a Josh fan. But that doesn’t mean everything he does is perfect. He underthrows a lot of deep balls and makes his WR have to stop or come back from an all out sprint on their routes. 
 

I am still a fan of him but I realize this is something he could get better on. If you don’t see it, then I don’t know what to tell you.