Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 1 hour ago, Gunvald's Husse said: Did they really? As others have pointed out, the Bills were not at the races that day and it really didn't require that much to look good against us. I know Chase has been great for them but passing on Penei Sewell was a head-scratcher for me MOT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 23 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said: Lmao they have shows to make so they have to do something and over and or under react to everything. Lmao applies to your post…..When’s the last time a show got views for under reacting to something? That’s not how it works. That’s the point he’s making. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 If you listen to the whole interview, it was not nearly as bad as that clip makes it seem. He was giving boilerplate responses, but then a reporter asked him why he wasn’t getting open. That was the response. He was defending himself from an accusation. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murdox Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 1 hour ago, FrenchConnection said: If you listen to the whole interview, it was not nearly as bad as that clip makes it seem. He was giving boilerplate responses, but then a reporter asked him why he wasn’t getting open. That was the response. He was defending himself from an accusation. Yep, exactly. I think the reporter asked him something along the lines of whether it's taking more work to get open and that was his response. And, based on what I've seen, he HAS been open a lot in the Bengals' games. Factor in all the drops from Higgins and he does deserve to be the focal point in that receiving group. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted October 4, 2023 Author Share Posted October 4, 2023 (edited) 16 hours ago, PatsFanNH said: Ok Burrows in 3 years has been to the AFCCG game twice and the SB once.. He has already surpassed everything Allen has done so far in less time. So until Allen or rather the Bills make it deep into the playoffs he will be judge harsher than those who have. It may not be fair but it’s the way it is He has not surpassed Allen in anything, literally nothing. Have the Bengals defense helped Burrow go 1 round further in the playoffs, sure...but QB to QB Allen has accomplished more as a passer in the regular season and literally dwarfs Burrows rather pedestrian post season stats. Allen has just in the regular season only...with WORSE weapons than Burrow, substantially worse when you factor in his whole career Most TDs in NFL history through first 5 years Multuiple time MVP finalist, including runner up in 2021 with a season that was better than most past winners 3 straight divisional championships Multiple playoff passing records Allen vs Burrow playoff resume Allen 8 games, Burrow 7 games Allen has double the TD's 20 to 10 Burrow has a higher turnover rate (both have 4 interceptions and no fumbles...but Allens was over 8 games, Burrows was in just 7) Allens TD to INT ration is 5-1...Burrows is 2.5-1 (so half of Allens) Allen produces over 80 yards more total yards per game Allen passes for over 30 yards more per game Allen bests him significantly in Rating, YPA, and just about every metric there is The literally only stat Burrow is better in is comp % by a difference of just ONE completion per game yet Allen grossly outproduces him in every statistical category Yet...despite all that, Burrow has had superior weapons and Allen has also played through a serious elbow injury and worse weather. But because in 2021, Josh Allens defense failed to hold a lead in final 13 seconds and OT while Burrows defense magically stopped the same Mahomes offense for just 3 points in the 2nd half allowing Burrow and the offense to just sneak back up and steal the game you seem to think that makes him the better QB? Allen grossly outplayed what Burrow did in the KC game the week before against the same Chiefs defense, but Frazier and our inept defense failed him. And sure, Bengals won last year, but that was a TEAM loss, the whole Bills franchise was flat that day and that does not make Burrow better than Allen any more than Zack Wilson beating the Bills (twice) would make Zack better than Allen. Sorry...its just not corret to say Burrow has accomplished more. Bengals TEAMS have done more, but that doesn't make Burrow more "accomplished" individually as a passer. Trent Dilfer won a SB while Dan Marino, Jim Kelly, etc have not...doesn't make Dilfer better than them. Edited October 4, 2023 by Alphadawg7 2 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 17 hours ago, Scott7975 said: Everyone is all... but his poor calfeez. Meanwhile... Head coach Zac Taylor confirmed that Burrow will continue as the team's starting quarterback against the Cardinals in Week Five. Taylor also said that he's confident that Burrow is healthy enough to run the offense despite the impact of the calf injury. “It is what it is." Bengals heading to Arizona this Sunday is going to be a pressure filled game for them. A loss will be devastating to their season. Going 1-4 with the 49ers, Bills, Ravens and Chiefs yet to play would be tough hole to dig out of. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, ColoradoBills said: Bengals heading to Arizona this Sunday is going to be a pressure filled game for them. A loss will be devastating to their season. Going 1-4 with the 49ers, Bills, Ravens and Chiefs yet to play would be tough hole to dig out of. Yeah I think they might be the odd man out in the playoffs this season and we maybe see another team instead. 1-3 isn't so bad in itself but its tough to see them go on a run with the schedule they have coming up and the way they have been playing. Edited October 4, 2023 by Scott7975 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 11 hours ago, NewEra said: Lmao applies to your post…..When’s the last time a show got views for under reacting to something? That’s not how it works. That’s the point he’s making. By under react I mean saying how awesome they are and that this is just a hickup or no big deal. Other teams it’s “this is the end of the dynasty!” Or “their window is closing fast” it all depends on how much they like that team.. 5 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: He has not surpassed Allen in anything, literally nothing. Have the Bengals defense helped Burrow go 1 round further in the playoffs, sure...but QB to QB Allen has accomplished more as a passer in the regular season and literally dwarfs Burrows rather pedestrian post season stats. Allen has just in the regular season only...with WORSE weapons than Burrow, substantially worse when you factor in his whole career Most TDs in NFL history through first 5 years Multuiple time MVP finalist, including runner up in 2021 with a season that was better than most past winners 3 straight divisional championships Multiple playoff passing records Allen vs Burrow playoff resume Allen 8 games, Burrow 7 games Allen has double the TD's 20 to 10 Burrow has a higher turnover rate (both have 4 interceptions and no fumbles...but Allens was over 8 games, Burrows was in just 7) Allens TD to INT ration is 5-1...Burrows is 2.5-1 (so half of Allens) Allen produces over 80 yards more total yards per game Allen passes for over 30 yards more per game Allen bests him significantly in Rating, YPA, and just about every metric there is The literally only stat Burrow is better in is comp % by a difference of just ONE completion per game yet Allen grossly outproduces him in every statistical category Yet...despite all that, Burrow has had superior weapons and Allen has also played through a serious elbow injury and worse weather. But because in 2021, Josh Allens defense failed to hold a lead in final 13 seconds and OT while Burrows defense magically stopped the same Mahomes offense for just 3 points in the 2nd half allowing Burrow and the offense to just sneak back up and steal the game you seem to think that makes him the better QB? Allen grossly outplayed what Burrow did in the KC game the week before against the same Chiefs defense, but Frazier and our inept defense failed him. And sure, Bengals won last year, but that was a TEAM loss, the whole Bills franchise was flat that day and that does not make Burrow better than Allen any more than Zack Wilson beating the Bills (twice) would make Zack better than Allen. Sorry...its just not corret to say Burrow has accomplished more. Bengals TEAMS have done more, but that doesn't make Burrow more "accomplished" individually as a passer. Trent Dilfer won a SB while Dan Marino, Jim Kelly, etc have not...doesn't make Dilfer better than them. You sound like a Colts fan during the Manning years saying how awesome Manning is and that he is so much better than Brady. The point is stats are nice but I have yet to see a fan or anyone else get excited about amazing numbers more than amazing wins. As I stated before right or wrong a QB is judged by winning and not much else until they retire then a rare few get the “wow he was amazing but unlucky” but fans grasp at stats when their team fails in the playoffs.. don’t become like those fans! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 4 hours ago, ColoradoBills said: Bengals heading to Arizona this Sunday is going to be a pressure filled game for them. A loss will be devastating to their season. Going 1-4 with the 49ers, Bills, Ravens and Chiefs yet to play would be tough hole to dig out of. Browns give them trouble too and they’ve also got the Seahawks left. 1-4 might be the end of their playoff hopes. They’d probably have to finish 9-3 to have a chance which would be pretty tough even for that peak bengals team we saw last year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 2 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said: Browns give them trouble too and they’ve also got the Seahawks left. 1-4 might be the end of their playoff hopes. They’d probably have to finish 9-3 to have a chance which would be pretty tough even for that peak bengals team we saw last year For sure. It's crazy to say but the Cardinal game is as close to a "must win" as a high ranked team like the Bengals could have this early in the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 (edited) 35 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said: By under react I mean saying how awesome they are and that this is just a hickup or no big deal. Other teams it’s “this is the end of the dynasty!” Or “their window is closing fast” it all depends on how much they like that team.. You sound like a Colts fan during the Manning years saying how awesome Manning is and that he is so much better than Brady. The point is stats are nice but I have yet to see a fan or anyone else get excited about amazing numbers more than amazing wins. As I stated before right or wrong a QB is judged by winning and not much else until they retire then a rare few get the “wow he was amazing but unlucky” but fans grasp at stats when their team fails in the playoffs.. don’t become like those fans! Idk I think there’s some nuance to this as josh had the best two game run for a qb in the playoffs probably ever and the defense failed him miserably. On the flip side, burrow has played pretty average in the playoffs and he has been rescued by his defense on quite a few occasions If we were comparing a superbowl winner to a non superbowl winner I’d def side with you more, but burrow and Allen both don’t have one. As bills fans have learned from decades of jokes, almost winning a Super Bowl isn’t worth diddly until burrow has got a Super Bowl win I think comparing playoff stats/regular season stats between Allen and burrow is more than fair . Edited October 4, 2023 by Generic_Bills_Fan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 1 hour ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said: Idk I think there’s some nuance to this as josh had the best two game run for a qb in the playoffs probably ever and the defense failed him miserably. On the flip side, burrow has played pretty average in the playoffs and he has been rescued by his defense on quite a few occasions If we were comparing a superbowl winner to a non superbowl winner I’d def side with you more, but burrow and Allen both don’t have one. As bills fans have learned from decades of jokes, almost winning a Super Bowl isn’t worth diddly until burrow has got a Super Bowl win I think comparing playoff stats/regular season stats between Allen and burrow is more than fair . Long term I agree, but any QB who has had only 2 complete years and made the AFCCG game both years is going get preferential treatment and be considered elite. People will look and see 6 years 1 AFCCG game no SB BS 2 years and 3 AFCCG Games and 1 SB. Mind you both are considered way below Mahomes for the reason you mention and the fact the man is a freak QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted October 5, 2023 Author Share Posted October 5, 2023 2 hours ago, PatsFanNH said: By under react I mean saying how awesome they are and that this is just a hickup or no big deal. Other teams it’s “this is the end of the dynasty!” Or “their window is closing fast” it all depends on how much they like that team.. You sound like a Colts fan during the Manning years saying how awesome Manning is and that he is so much better than Brady. The point is stats are nice but I have yet to see a fan or anyone else get excited about amazing numbers more than amazing wins. As I stated before right or wrong a QB is judged by winning and not much else until they retire then a rare few get the “wow he was amazing but unlucky” but fans grasp at stats when their team fails in the playoffs.. don’t become like those fans! Burrow has won nothing. There’s no trophies for 2nd place. The idea you would reference Burrow to Brady in any capacity is utterly comical. Not only has Burrow won nothing but he’s probably not gonna even make the playoffs this year lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFooteball Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 2 hours ago, PatsFanNH said: By under react I mean saying how awesome they are and that this is just a hickup or no big deal. Other teams it’s “this is the end of the dynasty!” Or “their window is closing fast” it all depends on how much they like that team.. You sound like a Colts fan during the Manning years saying how awesome Manning is and that he is so much better than Brady. The point is stats are nice but I have yet to see a fan or anyone else get excited about amazing numbers more than amazing wins. As I stated before right or wrong a QB is judged by winning and not much else until they retire then a rare few get the “wow he was amazing but unlucky” but fans grasp at stats when their team fails in the playoffs.. don’t become like those fans! Jimmy G. already booked his ticket to canton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 2 minutes ago, BillsFooteball said: Jimmy G. already booked his ticket to canton Never said HOF… but Jimmy G was always over rated and always made of glass. 20 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Burrow has won nothing. There’s no trophies for 2nd place. The idea you would reference Burrow to Brady in any capacity is utterly comical. Not only has Burrow won nothing but he’s probably not gonna even make the playoffs this year lol. I wasn’t comparing him or Allen to Brady or Burrows. I was comparing your stat long post to Colts fans threw out the years Doo g the same thing over and over and over.. when they were not whining about the refs costing them a game. Again don’t be like those fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 It’s pretty obvious Burrow is 7 months younger and 7X frailer than Allen. Burrow is hurt every year and misses games. Allen plays without a functioning elbow. Kudos to Burrow for playing hurt but he looks terrible right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted October 5, 2023 Author Share Posted October 5, 2023 2 hours ago, PatsFanNH said: Never said HOF… but Jimmy G was always over rated and always made of glass. I wasn’t comparing him or Allen to Brady or Burrows. I was comparing your stat long post to Colts fans threw out the years Doo g the same thing over and over and over.. when they were not whining about the refs costing them a game. Again don’t be like those fans. Lol…what are you even talking about now. Comparing Allen and Burrow is comparing two guys who have won nothing…so their individual stats are fair to compare. And what are you bring refs up about? I never said anything about any refs lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 5 hours ago, PatsFanNH said: By under react I mean saying how awesome they are and that this is just a hickup or no big deal. Other teams it’s “this is the end of the dynasty!” Or “their window is closing fast” it all depends on how much they like that team.. You sound like a Colts fan during the Manning years saying how awesome Manning is and that he is so much better than Brady. The point is stats are nice but I have yet to see a fan or anyone else get excited about amazing numbers more than amazing wins. As I stated before right or wrong a QB is judged by winning and not much else until they retire then a rare few get the “wow he was amazing but unlucky” but fans grasp at stats when their team fails in the playoffs.. don’t become like those fans! Right. Remind me how many rings Burrow has won. It's one thing to have that argument with Peyton and Brady when Brady had three rings and Peyton had zero early in their careers. Bengals might not even make the postseason this year at the pace they are going. That is going to put a big dapper on the Burrow is so great in the postseason argument if the guy can't even show up to the dance. Of course, the reality is the Bengals defense has stepped up in the postseason and carried Burrow and the offense while the opposite is true in Buffalo. The Bills defense takes steps backwards in the postseason and Allen and the offense carry the defense as far as they can take them. 4 hours ago, PatsFanNH said: Long term I agree, but any QB who has had only 2 complete years and made the AFCCG game both years is going get preferential treatment and be considered elite. People will look and see 6 years 1 AFCCG game no SB BS 2 years and 3 AFCCG Games and 1 SB. Mind you both are considered way below Mahomes for the reason you mention and the fact the man is a freak QB. You mean like Mr. Butt Fumble, Mark Sanchez? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 6 hours ago, PatsFanNH said: By under react I mean saying how awesome they are and that this is just a hickup or no big deal. Other teams it’s “this is the end of the dynasty!” Or “their window is closing fast” it all depends on how much they like that team.. You sound like a Colts fan during the Manning years saying how awesome Manning is and that he is so much better than Brady. The point is stats are nice but I have yet to see a fan or anyone else get excited about amazing numbers more than amazing wins. As I stated before right or wrong a QB is judged by winning and not much else until they retire then a rare few get the “wow he was amazing but unlucky” but fans grasp at stats when their team fails in the playoffs.. don’t become like those fans! 😂😂Tf out of here w this, burrow and the Bengals haven't won dick 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 23 hours ago, Gunvald's Husse said: Did they really? As others have pointed out, the Bills were not at the races that day and it really didn't require that much to look good against us. I know Chase has been great for them but passing on Penei Sewell was a head-scratcher for me Me too. I'd have picked Sewell. I can't say they were wrong to pick Chase because he was an elite prospect as well and has been amazing for them. But rule one when you have a franchise QB is protect them. 15 hours ago, ColoradoBills said: Bengals heading to Arizona this Sunday is going to be a pressure filled game for them. A loss will be devastating to their season. Going 1-4 with the 49ers, Bills, Ravens and Chiefs yet to play would be tough hole to dig out of. If they lose this Sunday they surely accept it is over and allow Joe to rest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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