Eli Apple has bounty placed on him by angry ex-girlfriend

[Beck Water]

24 minutes ago, AuntieEm said:

 It's a easy enough procedure she is asking of him.  Not like they are asking him for a kidney.  30 mins to  give some blood.   I can certainly hope karma does visit him and he has some time to  rehab  and time to reflect on his stance.  And if the injury occurs as a non contact  so much the better. 

 

If what she said is correct, they wanted 30 cc of blood,  You can pull that out of a healthy guy with good veins in like, 5 minutes tops.  It's not that far off what they draw when you visit the doc, he or she orders a bunch of routine tests, and the phlebotomist puts that big needle attached to the green plastic cylinder in your arm and proceeds to swap tubes in it 5-6 times.

 

Edited September 2, 2023 by Beck Water

[Punching Bag]

4 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

If what she said is correct, they wanted 30 cc of blood,  You can pull that out of a healthy guy with good veins in like, 5 minutes tops.  It's not that far off what they draw when you visit the doc, he or she orders a bunch of routine tests, and the phlebotomist puts that big needle attached to the green plastic cylinder in your arm and proceeds to swap tubes in it 5-6 times.

 

 

It is likely she had been asking for other things between whenever they broke up and request for blood and he might have got tired of it and replied no by habit.  Battles in media are rarely full disclosure.

[Mr. WEO]

she wants a "cord blood transfusion" from Apple?  I mean his mother might still have that placenta in her freezer, but....

 

All kidding aside, other than severe in utero anemia (from whatever cause), I'm not sure what condition of the fetus would benefit from only 30 ml of the father's blood.   Typically any transfused blood would be crossmatched with the mother's blood type (not the father's).  So it's not clear why she can't donate but he can.  Any O negative donor would be able to as well. 

[Beck Water]

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

she wants a "cord blood transfusion" from Apple?  I mean his mother might still have that placenta in her freezer, but....

 

All kidding aside, other than severe in utero anemia (from whatever cause), I'm not sure what condition of the fetus would benefit from only 30 ml of the father's blood.   Typically any transfused blood would be crossmatched with the mother's blood type (not the father's).  So it's not clear why she can't donate but he can.  Any O negative donor would be able to as well. 

 

I agree that from a medical POV the situation is not clear.

 

But I think she probably is talking about a treatment for fetal anemia or similar condition:

https://www.northwell.edu/obstetrics-and-gynecology/treatments/fetal-blood-transfusions

or if you want something more technical

https://www.transfusionguidelines.org/transfusion-handbook/10-effective-transfusion-in-paediatric-practice/10-1-fetal-transfusion

 

One of the indications for this is Rh incompatibility between mother and fetus (or a similar principle involving alloimmunization against platelets), so the mother's blood most definitely can not be used.

 

Agree, other donors should be possible.

Edited September 3, 2023 by Beck Water

[Mr. WEO]

29 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

I agree that from a medical POV the situation is not clear.

 

But I think she probably is talking about a treatment for fetal anemia or similar condition:

https://www.northwell.edu/obstetrics-and-gynecology/treatments/fetal-blood-transfusions

or if you want something more technical

https://www.transfusionguidelines.org/transfusion-handbook/10-effective-transfusion-in-paediatric-practice/10-1-fetal-transfusion

 

One of the indications for this is Rh incompatibility between mother and fetus (or a similar principle involving alloimmunization against platelets), so the mother's blood most definitely can not be used.

 

Agree, other donors should be possible.

 

Yes I put that in my post. 

 

 

The 30ccs makes no sense, unless she actually doesn't know if he's compatible.  She wants him type and crossed.

[Beck Water]

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Yes I put that in my post. 

 

 

The 30ccs makes no sense, unless she actually doesn't know if he's compatible.  She wants him type and crossed.

 

Yeah, there we're "out of my lane".  30 cc sounds like a lot for a type and cross; back in da day we pulled a 6 ml tube and I would think it's more efficient/less needed now a days.  If I'm remembering my time in pediatric lab medicine, a newborn full term baby only has about 250 cc of blood total, so a 25 week fetus maybe what, half that?  I don't really know.   It didn't strike me as intrinsically unreasonable that 30 cc might be enough to make a significant difference partway through a pregnancy.

[Sierra Foothills]

On 9/2/2023 at 3:31 AM, Matt_In_NH said:

Exactly.    And the kids these people create without parents pay the price.

 

Not to mention the rest of society.

 

On the other hand you never know what might grow when a seed germinates.

 

 

 

[Mr. WEO]

6 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

Yeah, there we're "out of my lane".  30 cc sounds like a lot for a type and cross; back in da day we pulled a 6 ml tube and I would think it's more efficient/less needed now a days.  If I'm remembering my time in pediatric lab medicine, a newborn full term baby only has about 250 cc of blood total, so a 25 week fetus maybe what, half that?  I don't really know.   It didn't strike me as intrinsically unreasonable that 30 cc might be enough to make a significant difference partway through a pregnancy.

 

 

It's about 100cc/kg.

 

From what I read they may take as much as 400 cc from the mother, spin it down to a hematocrit as high as 75 or 80 to minimize the volume transfused. 

[pennstate10]

49 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

It's about 100cc/kg.

 

From what I read they may take as much as 400 cc from the mother, spin it down to a hematocrit as high as 75 or 80 to minimize the volume transfused. 

Hey docs. 
 

I’m not sure that you should be commenting on issues where you don’t know the background

 

Maybe there is an unusual antibody she’s produced?

Maybe it’s a platelet, not an RBC issue?

Maybe the 30 cc is needed for a diagnostic test that could then allow a safe transfusion. 
 

Whatever. I’m guessing that you’re not perinatal medicine experts, so let’s tone down the rhetoric, eh?

 

Can we agree that any dude who wouldn’t offer 30cc of blood to his unborn child is not an upstanding citizen?

[Beck Water]

1 hour ago, pennstate10 said:

Hey docs. 
 

I’m not sure that you should be commenting on issues where you don’t know the background

 

Maybe there is an unusual antibody she’s produced?

Maybe it’s a platelet, not an RBC issue?

Maybe the 30 cc is needed for a diagnostic test that could then allow a safe transfusion. 
 

Whatever. I’m guessing that you’re not perinatal medicine experts, so let’s tone down the rhetoric, eh?

 

Can we agree that any dude who wouldn’t offer 30cc of blood to his unborn child is not an upstanding citizen?

 

Yes, we can agree on that last.

 

If everyone on this board stopped commenting on issues where we don't know the background, wouldn't about 99.9% of the board go away?  That includes people commenting on things that are "outside their lane" (which I said in my last post is where I am at this point) or where their knowledge is limited.

 

Not sure I'm seeing the problem with two somewhat-more-knowledgeable-than-general-public posters having a civil b&f discussion about one aspect of a vaguely football-related post?

 

Alloimmunization against platelets was mentioned in one of my responses.

 

Edited September 4, 2023 by Beck Water

[EmotionallyUnstable]

I mean if this scrub’s baby momma is publicly doing this…I find it nearly IMPOSSIBLE something along these lines did not exist for Tom Brady. 

[TBBills Fan]

He always seemed like an ass going back to his early days.  It's easy to not like him

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, pennstate10 said:

Hey docs. 
 

I’m not sure that you should be commenting on issues where you don’t know the background

 

Maybe there is an unusual antibody she’s produced?

Maybe it’s a platelet, not an RBC issue?

Maybe the 30 cc is needed for a diagnostic test that could then allow a safe transfusion. 
 

Whatever. I’m guessing that you’re not perinatal medicine experts, so let’s tone down the rhetoric, eh?

 

Can we agree that any dude who wouldn’t offer 30cc of blood to his unborn child is not an upstanding citizen?

 

"we don't know the background" yet, hearing only her side of the story, you're sure he's a bad man?

 

Anyway, forgetting for a minute that you aren't sure what "rhetoric" means, we are just trying to figure out what might be happening based on the allegations and diseases that might require fetal blood transfusions and how they are performed.  Why don;'t you just skip these technical posts altogether, instead of bashing them.  Make it easier on yourself.

[RiotAct]

man I walked into a friggin medical journal up in here.

[SoonerBillsFan]

26 minutes ago, RiotAct said:

man I walked into a friggin medical journal up in here.

I'm gonna wait until the final white paper in this case is published before commenting.

[pennstate10]

39 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

"we don't know the background" yet, hearing only her side of the story, you're sure he's a bad man?

 

Anyway, forgetting for a minute that you aren't sure what "rhetoric" means, we are just trying to figure out what might be happening based on the allegations and diseases that might require fetal blood transfusions and how they are performed.  Why don;'t you just skip these technical posts altogether, instead of bashing them.  Make it easier on yourself.

Heres some help  from google.

 

rhet·o·ric

/ˈredərik/

noun

the art of effective or persuasive speaking or writing, especially the use of figures of speech and other compositional techniques.

"he is using a common figure of rhetoric, hyperbole"

Similar:

oratory

eloquence

power of speech

command of language

expression

way with words

delivery

diction

language designed to have a persuasive or impressive effect on its audience, but often regarded as lacking in sincerity or meaningful content.

"all we have from the Opposition is empty rhetoric"

[Beck Water]

12 minutes ago, pennstate10 said:

Heres some help  from google.

 

rhet·o·ric

/ˈredərik/

noun

the art of effective or persuasive speaking or writing, especially the use of figures of speech and other compositional techniques.

"he is using a common figure of rhetoric, hyperbole"

Similar:

oratory

eloquence

power of speech

command of language

expression

way with words

delivery

diction

language designed to have a persuasive or impressive effect on its audience, but often regarded as lacking in sincerity or meaningful content.

"all we have from the Opposition is empty rhetoric"

 

I really don't want to get between you and Mr WEO 🍿 but speaking for myself, I looked at it as exchange of knowledge/ideas and had no concern for or interest in having a persuasive or impressive effect on anyone else, or on whether or not there was an audience.  I figured anyone who wasn't interested would be "oh there goes Beck again  *snore*" and skip it.

 

I guess you could make an argument for lacking meaningful content in that it wasn't about football?

[Beck Water]

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

"we don't know the background" yet, hearing only her side of the story, you're sure he's a bad man?

 

As a general rule of thumb, my threshold for being willing to share small amounts of my blood via sterile needles and good phlebotomy technique is pretty low.

 

So yeah, I'll go there: "any dude who wouldn’t offer 30cc of blood to his unborn child is not an upstanding citizen" is a statement I can agree with. 

 

As written, it doesn't strike me as particularly ethically or morally challenging

 

Now you can delve into back-story and ask "was that really the only ask or did she want a couple of million $$ and a kidney to go with it?" "did she really want his blood to conduct satanic rituals involving Jason Whitlock?"  "Was she planning to re-create the formula for Colonial Era barn paint but her Vegan principles didn't allow her to sacrifice an animal?" or whatever

 

But as written, yeah.  You?

 

(in case anyone else is reading and wants to know, 30 cc (or ml) is approximately 2 tablespoons, or less than 1/10 of a pint)

Edited September 4, 2023 by Beck Water

[Buffalo Barbarian]

On 9/1/2023 at 11:05 PM, chongli said:

[Mods: Feel free to move to OTW]

 

I am not kidding. This is too funny. Anyone know where Gregg Williams is?!

 

 

IG screenshot:

 

 

Short excerpt from the article below:

 

https://www.hotnewhiphop.com/707789-eli-apple-injury-bounty-baby-mama

 

"Eli Apple has a bounty on his head. The cornerback, who signed with the Dolphins this offseason, is being targeted by his baby mama. “If you play against my baby dad this season please GO FOR THE KNEES, maybe a hammy,” wrote model Destani. “#33 for the Dolphins – I’ll gladly Zelle you back any fines.” However, Destani also provided context for why she was happy to essentially impose an injury bounty. “We got pregnant after traveling together during the offseason. His response to my pregnancy was “well what did you expect I knew it was gonna happen.” Then he tells me he has a sex problem and I’m the 6th woman in 3 years and the others just had abortions. But I was already 14 weeks at the time of this confession.”

 

She continued. “Fast forward to mid pregnancy, my son has a heart condition and needs a cord blood transfusion but I’m not a direct match and Eli is. The doctors set up an appointment for him to give 30MLS – just ***** 30MLS of blood. This man refuses because I found he smashing a different woman in every city he went to RAW. So he blocks me cause I sent him the article of this girl exposing him. After he told me it was best for the baby to “die” I went CRAZY on him, and his mama cause girl your son is a POS.”

 

 

Get that bounty girl, guy is a scumbag. Also pick better next time

 

 

[NoHuddleKelly12]

The only thing missing is a live studio audience…

[John from Riverside]

On 9/1/2023 at 11:50 PM, Buffalo716 said:

4 spares?!?

 

😆

Dalton did it

[That's No Moon]

13 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said:

Not to mention the rest of society.

 

On the other hand you never know what might grow when a seed germinates.

[Mr. WEO]

11 hours ago, pennstate10 said:

Heres some help  from google.

 

rhet·o·ric

/ˈredərik/

noun

the art of effective or persuasive speaking or writing, especially the use of figures of speech and other compositional techniques.

"he is using a common figure of rhetoric, hyperbole"

Similar:

oratory

eloquence

power of speech

command of language

expression

way with words

delivery

diction

language designed to have a persuasive or impressive effect on its audience, but often regarded as lacking in sincerity or meaningful content.

"all we have from the Opposition is empty rhetoric"

 

 we were discussing the practice of fetal transfusion, none of which falls under "empty rhetoric", "lacking sincerity or meaningful content", "oratory", "hyperbole", "compositional techniques" or "figures of speech".  Just two guys having a discussion amongst themselves.  Beck is a smart guy who knows his stuff--a broad range of topics.  

 

Google search may not be for you.

[Mr. WEO]

10 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

As a general rule of thumb, my threshold for being willing to share small amounts of my blood via sterile needles and good phlebotomy technique is pretty low.

 

So yeah, I'll go there: "any dude who wouldn’t offer 30cc of blood to his unborn child is not an upstanding citizen" is a statement I can agree with. 

 

As written, it doesn't strike me as particularly ethically or morally challenging

 

Now you can delve into back-story and ask "was that really the only ask or did she want a couple of million $$ and a kidney to go with it?" "did she really want his blood to conduct satanic rituals involving Jason Whitlock?"  "Was she planning to re-create the formula for Colonial Era barn paint but her Vegan principles didn't allow her to sacrifice an animal?" or whatever

 

But as written, yeah.  You?

 

(in case anyone else is reading and wants to know, 30 cc (or ml) is approximately 2 tablespoons, or less than 1/10 of a pint)

 

I think most mothers of some random athlete's fetus (she seems to collect them) who needed his cooperation for a medical urgency and a blood sample would not go right to social media to solicit others to injure the guy (for money) if he allegedly has refused to offer said sample.  Especially when her fetal medicine specialist no doubt has informed her that they don't really need only his blood.

 

What she is saying is certainly possibly true, but this is how we learn of it---with a (illegal?) plea for someone in his profession to take him out? 

 

Is that not ethically or morally challenging to you?

[Beck Water]

21 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

I think most mothers of some random athlete's fetus (she seems to collect them) who needed his cooperation for a medical urgency and a blood sample would not go right to social media to solicit others to injure the guy (for money) if he allegedly has refused to offer said sample.  Especially when her fetal medicine specialist no doubt has informed her that they don't really need only his blood.

 

What she is saying is certainly possibly true, but this is how we learn of it---with a (illegal?) plea for someone in his profession to take him out? 

 

Is that not ethically or morally challenging to you?

 

Isn't that "Whataboutism" WEO?  We've been talking about Apple here.  He can be "not an upstanding citizen" for not being willing to gift 2T of blood to his unborn child without any reference to the morals and ethics of his ex-girlfriend, which could be horrid.  You can take those on in a separate discussion if you wish, but her being scummy doesn't make him less so.

 

(I don't think she went "right to social media" by the way, the child has evidently been born (at 25 weeks) and had several medical procedures.)\\

 

And on that note, I think I'm outta here.

 

 

Edited September 4, 2023 by Beck Water

[Behindenemylines]

11 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

I think most mothers of some random athlete's fetus (she seems to collect them) who needed his cooperation for a medical urgency and a blood sample would not go right to social media to solicit others to injure the guy (for money) if he allegedly has refused to offer said sample.  Especially when her fetal medicine specialist no doubt has informed her that they don't really need only his blood.

 

What she is saying is certainly possibly true, but this is how we learn of it---with a (illegal?) plea for someone in his profession to take him out? 

 

Is that not ethically or morally challenging to you?

Your assumption here includes intelligence, integrity, and morals which is why it won’t ever make sense.

 

We are after ll taking about trash at the most fundamental level. 

[T master]

This kind of stuff doesn't happen from such fine upstanding individuals in the NFL does it ? OMG what has the league come to ???

 

I'll see your Eli Apple & raise you a Travis Henry ...

Edited September 5, 2023 by T master

[C.Biscuit97]

Dude looks like a tall version of beetlejuice. Thank God for the NFL paycheck. 

11 minutes ago, T master said:

This kind of stuff doesn't happen from such fine upstanding individuals in the NFL does it ? OMG what has the league come to ???

 

I'll see your Eli Apple & raise you a Travis Henry ...

Yeah, regular people don’t ever have these situations go on. 

[T master]

7 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Dude looks like a tall version of beetlejuice. Thank God for the NFL paycheck. 

Yeah, regular people don’t ever have these situations go on. 

 

That's not what i was alluding too .