Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 2 hours ago, oldmanfan said: There are people on this board who want the Bills to lose so they can brag and say I told you so. Yup this is it completely. People need to show how smart they are, they know more than everyone else. Amazing too the OP has all of 22 posts. Really should be a rule you need to make about 500 posts before starting a new thread and need to be a board member for at least 90 days before even responding to a thread. As far as the content, as has been stated Epenesa isn't a bust, he's not making the pro-bowl but a decent rotational player. If the Bills hadn't drafted Benford, good chance Elam would be starting. But one of these freak things happened where a 6th rounder was way undervalued and had shown he's capable of being a starter. One of the themes with Beane is he tends to draft more on potential, Allen, Knox, and Edmunds are few names that come to mind, but there are others. First off when you draft these guys, they'll usually take longer to develop and think the risk does go up that they may end op being a bust too as more guessing as to what they may become. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 Shooooosh!! Shoosh please. A-thank yoouuu! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 12 hours ago, Billl said: That’s actually an interesting point. Brett Veach’s “misses” that year are Mecole Hardman who was taken at pick 56 and has 18 TDs and 2200 yards in two seasons In two seasons? May want to fact check that. Those would be great numbers for two seasons. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billl Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 3 hours ago, The Jokeman said: They don't and that was my point about KC's 2019 draft. TBH I forgot Fenton moved on from KC, so I guess they have 1 player left from their 2019 draft? a backup OG and people want to criticize Beane's poor drafting? I love that you're trying to use the fact that Veach has drafted well enough to replace starters who took contracts with other teams as a negative. Never mind that every player he drafted that year is still in the league despite only having 808 total draft value points to with with. For comparison, Beane had 2,260. Beane just inked Ed Oliver and Dawson Knox to 4 year extensions for a combined $120,000,000 with $76,000,000 guaranteed. Is that really better than letting them walk and drafting their replacements like Kansas City did? I mean, Knox and Oliver are decent players just as Hardman and Thornhill are, but are they really so hard to replace in the draft that they're worth $30mm a year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philly McButterpants Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 19 hours ago, JerseyBills said: all teams wiff. KC included. I think our top 3 from this draft class will be big contributors for the future Clyde Edwards-Helaire anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djp14150 Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 17 hours ago, FilthyBeast said: Agree 100% and at some point sooner than later years of horrendous drafting going to catch up with this team which is why myself and many other pundits expecting a big regression this year. Also no this isn't another username or burner account of mine. false…… most of a teams roster turns over significantly over a 4 year period even with stable coaching/GM.. your core players you drafted, you keep long term ( QB, WR, OT, OL, DL, LB, CB) with other places you use free agency and drafting to fill in holes. from drafting/ prospect development from PS you are looking about 35-40 players while the rest of the roster of 20 or so players you drafted or signed to multi- year contracts as free sgents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billl Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 7 minutes ago, Philly McButterpants said: Clyde Edwards-Helaire anyone? The guy who ran for 161 yards against the Bills before he had an injury that derailed his career? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philly McButterpants Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 Just now, Billl said: The guy who ran for 161 yards against the Bills before he had an injury that derailed his career? Ohhhh, one good game means he wasn't a 1st rounder who is no longer contributing to the team that drafted him - gotcha. thanks for the context. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 30 minutes ago, Billl said: I love that you're trying to use the fact that Veach has drafted well enough to replace starters who took contracts with other teams as a negative. Never mind that every player he drafted that year is still in the league despite only having 808 total draft value points to with with. For comparison, Beane had 2,260. Beane just inked Ed Oliver and Dawson Knox to 4 year extensions for a combined $120,000,000 with $76,000,000 guaranteed. Is that really better than letting them walk and drafting their replacements like Kansas City did? I mean, Knox and Oliver are decent players just as Hardman and Thornhill are, but are they really so hard to replace in the draft that they're worth $30mm a year? Because Veach has a great track record with WRs, is it Powell that been on PS for 2 years? Skyy Moore certainly lived up to his 2nd round selection last year. My point is every GM is imperfect even the best make mistakes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 There are traditionally two differing perspectives I read on this Board. On the one hand, leading up to the draft, there are those who put extreme value on draft position and rounds. They typically don’t want to see the Bills trade any picks away believing that they are super important to the future of the roster. And on the other hand there are those who look back on the most recent and previous years and ask ‘what was that all about?’ as they watch players flame out, be traded away, or leave on their own. I’m not sure if they’re actually the same people who just change their minds from March until August, or if they’re two distinct camps of fans. Either way, if you take a big picture perspective I always contend the entire process is a total crap shoot with tons of moving pieces. Drawing hard lines in the sand is a fools errand! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 FWIW, Brandon Beane’s Draft Picks other than Allen Listed as Starters to Open the Season Gabe Davis, 2020, 4th Round Cyress O’Torrence, 2023, 2nd Round Spencer Brown, 2021, 3rd Round Dawson Knox, 2019, 3rd Round James Cook, 2022, 2nd Round Greg Rousseau, 2021, 1st Round Ed Oliver, 2019, 1st Round Terrell Bernard, 2022, 3rd Round Kaiir Elam, 2022, 1st Round Taron Johnson, 2018, 4th Round Tyler Bass, 2020, 6th Round Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billl Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 45 minutes ago, PBF81 said: FWIW, Brandon Beane’s Draft Picks other than Allen Listed as Starters to Open the Season Gabe Davis, 2020, 4th Round Cyress O’Torrence, 2023, 2nd Round Spencer Brown, 2021, 3rd Round Dawson Knox, 2019, 3rd Round James Cook, 2022, 2nd Round Greg Rousseau, 2021, 1st Round Ed Oliver, 2019, 1st Round Terrell Bernard, 2022, 3rd Round Kaiir Elam, 2022, 1st Round Taron Johnson, 2018, 4th Round Tyler Bass, 2020, 6th Round I don't think any of the last 4 you listed are starters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 I'm sure someone pointed out already, Tre was picked by the old FO. Beane can't get credit for that one. So only real early "hit" was Allen, and to a lesser extent, Edmunds (given the way he's viewed around the league). But yeah, drafting poorly in the first 2 rounds & committing so much to defense is clearly not working out. It also has the side effect of making Josh look inept to general fans & a lot of the media. Burrow & Hurts are now considered more credible, while Josh's stock has fallen. But their FO's have built up their lines & weapons, while ours stopped at Diggs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 3 hours ago, Philly McButterpants said: Clyde Edwards-Helaire anyone? exactly... Sky moore? 2 hours ago, PBF81 said: FWIW, Brandon Beane’s Draft Picks other than Allen Listed as Starters to Open the Season Gabe Davis, 2020, 4th Round Cyress O’Torrence, 2023, 2nd Round Spencer Brown, 2021, 3rd Round Dawson Knox, 2019, 3rd Round James Cook, 2022, 2nd Round Greg Rousseau, 2021, 1st Round Ed Oliver, 2019, 1st Round Terrell Bernard, 2022, 3rd Round Kaiir Elam, 2022, 1st Round Taron Johnson, 2018, 4th Round Tyler Bass, 2020, 6th Round Plus great depth , on a legit SB contender. Not too shabby. Maybe ppl just miss Buddy Nix! 🙄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 It must have pained the OP to acknowledge the Allen pick as a "hit." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 @PepeSilvia dumps another hot mess thread and takes off into the sunset. This is like his 3rd one. Pepe joined the day after (Dec 7th 2021) the NE wind/weather game. He never showed up again until after the Bills stomping of the Patriots in January to start a thread entitled "McDermott and Beane Have to Go". He then didn't post until after the Bills lost to KC with his "Cancun on 3" thread. Now he is back with this hot turd of a thread. LOL. I can smell these trolls a mile away! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 3 hours ago, Billl said: I don't think any of the last 4 you listed are starters. Well Johnson certainly starts at nickel in our base nickel defense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 Josh - Won the Lottery with this pick Schnow man - hit Gabe - hit - round 4 Dane Jackson - hit - round 7 Dawson Knox - hit - round 3 Taron Johnson - hit - round 4 Matt Millano - Big Hit - round 5 Saran Neal - good player - round 5 Tyler Bass- hit - round 6 Cook - looks the part yet to be determined Edmunds - gone because he was a hit Levi Wallace - gone because he was a hit & a UDFA Dodson - UDFA Cam Lewis - UDFA Hodgins - gone because he was a hit - round 6 Basham - gone because he showed he may be a good player Harrison Phillips - Gone because he was a hit Wyatt Teller - All Pro - round 5 - Beane admitted mistake in letting him go Ray Ray Mcloud - gone still playing for other team good player round 6 Singletary - good player round 3 Jaquan Johnson - good player - round 6 Sweeney - Bam Johnson still playing for other teams Oliver - good player very productive no bust Epenesa - good player very productive no bust Benford - Shows good up side undetermined yet Yah every player can't be a HOF pick but to say Beane has missed on a lot of players i think could be disputed with the ones that have been very productive that he has brought on board since his being hired . Sure Ed hasn't lived up to his draft status but he's for sure no Aaron Maybin . So before you go casting stones at Beane look at his over all cast and what they have done since he got here then go back & look at what was before he got here then make a determination of what is so terrible today in the life of a Bills fan . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 4 hours ago, Billl said: I don't think any of the last 4 you listed are starters. OK, take 'em off then. But Bass is the starting K, no? Or has something changed. Bernard is currently listed on TOS as the starter. Elam, likely not, but he along with Benford and Jackson are listed collectively as starters. My guess is the team hasn't finalized it yet. Johnson's the starting NCB insofar as we know. I completely agree that neither Bernard nor Elam are starting caliber players, and Bernard's obviously only starting for that reason and unless Dodson starts. So let's take those two off then. I say keep Taron on there as the NCB since they're only starting two LBs on any depth chart that's been put out, and for as unorthodox as it is. Here's what's left. Gabe Davis, 2020, 4th Round Cyress O’Torrence, 2023, 2nd Round Spencer Brown, 2021, 3rd Round Dawson Knox, 2019, 3rd Round James Cook, 2022, 2nd Round Greg Rousseau, 2021, 1st Round Ed Oliver, 2019, 1st Round Taron Johnson, 2018, 4th Round Tyler Bass, 2020, 6th Round Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 A nice in depth piece here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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