Bills @ Bears Game Day Thread?!?!?!?

[BigDingus]

Gabe Davis - 1 reception on 4 targets (15 yards)

Stefon Diggs - 2 receptions on 2 targets (20 yards)

 

Didn't watch the full game, just the game broken down into a 30 min cut, but looks like Gabe is still inconsistent in pulling down those passes despite the many chances.

 

 

[syhuang]

1 minute ago, BigDingus said:

Gabe Davis - 1 reception on 4 targets (15 yards)

Stefon Diggs - 2 receptions on 2 targets (20 yards)

 

Didn't watch the full game, just the game broken down into a 30 min cut, but looks like Gabe is still inconsistent in pulling down those passes despite the many chances.

 

 

One is a bad throw become an interception and another is a good defense play where the cornerback has his hand on the ball. Can’t recall the 3rd one, but don’t get an impression Davis is inconsistent pulling the ball in when watching the game.

[Rocky Landing]

45 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Kyle Allen might be one of the worst Bills backups I've seen in 20 years.

Nathan Peterman says, "hello," from the Bears' sideline. And, LABILLBACKER. You must have been at that Chargers game at Stubhub, right?

 

 

6 minutes ago, syhuang said:

One is a bad throw become an interception and another is a good defense play where the cornerback has his hand on the ball. Can’t recall the 3rd one, but don’t get an impression Davis is inconsistent pulling the ball in when watching the game.

I disagree. The interception was a terrible route, where Davis gained zero leverage. It was also a terrible throw, but one that shouldn't have been made. The PBU was also a bad route with zero separation, and another was a drop. 

 

I would love to believe in Davis, but today did little to inspire, IMO.

 

 

Edited August 26, 2023 by Rocky Landing

[BuffaninSarasota]

10 minutes ago, BigDingus said:

Gabe Davis - 1 reception on 4 targets (15 yards)

Stefon Diggs - 2 receptions on 2 targets (20 yards)

 

Didn't watch the full game, just the game broken down into a 30 min cut, but looks like Gabe is still inconsistent in pulling down those passes despite the many chances.

 

 

A “target” provides no context. 

[BADOLBILZ]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Hmm. Well coughing up a return today defeinitely hasn't helped his case. I don't think Harty has been stand out at all in pre-season. But I do think he is making the team. As their main returner if nothing else. His usage on O will be interesting to track.

 

 

Sharty has shown ZERO juice in preseason.   

[Buffalo_Stampede]

I don’t consider myself an OL guru but Bates is one of our 3 best OL and they want to bench him.

 

He probably would’ve beat out Spencer Brown at RT if given the opportunity.

[syhuang]

10 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said:

Nathan Peterman says, "hello," from the Bears' sideline. And, LABILLBACKER. You must have been at that Chargers game at Stubhub, right?

 

 

I disagree. The interception was a terrible route, where Davis gained zero leverage. It was also a terrible throw, but one that shouldn't have been made. The PBU was also a bad route with zero separation, and another was a drop. 

 

I would love to believe in Davis, but today did little to inspire, IMO.

 

 

the post I replied to is about Davis having trouble pulling in the ball thrown to him, which I don’t have this impression during the game. The reply you made is about bad route, which may or may not be true, but is not what was discussed originally (have trouble pulling in the throws)

[BADOLBILZ]

24 minutes ago, syhuang said:

One is a bad throw become an interception and another is a good defense play where the cornerback has his hand on the ball. Can’t recall the 3rd one, but don’t get an impression Davis is inconsistent pulling the ball in when watching the game.

 

 

The "3rd" one was the first pass of the game where Allen put a slant right on his hands and he just plain dropped it.

 

Excusing him for passes defended and interceptions ignores the fact that he doesn't play the position well enough to get open on the short and intermediate routes that move the chains.  

 

When you can't get open on most of the routes in the tree you gotta' be good at catching contested passes at least.........and he's not.    That's why he can't be an efficient WR2.

 

Last year Josh Allen's QB rating dropped a staggering 40 points when targeting Gabe(80) versus WR1 Diggs (120)..............and passes to Davis result in INT's more than any other target on the Bills.  

 

He does two things well.........run deep routes(like 9's and post routes)........ and then come back to the ball on very slow developing plays or scrambles.   

Edited August 26, 2023 by BADOLBILZ

[Buffalo_Stampede]

I don’t think Torrence had a very good game.

[HappyDays]

This is classic Edmunds. Decides to give extra attention to the one WR that was already covered and lets Diggs run right by him uncontested.

[SoonerBillsFan]

1 hour ago, syhuang said:

One is a bad throw become an interception and another is a good defense play where the cornerback has his hand on the ball. Can’t recall the 3rd one, but don’t get an impression Davis is inconsistent pulling the ball in when watching the game.

He had 2, including the first play of the game, that hit him in the hands and he dropped. 

[BigDingus]

On 8/26/2023 at 5:13 PM, BuffaninSarasota said:

A “target” provides no context. 

 

It provides a start. No stat provides ALL context, but in conjunction with what we've seen before, it still has value.

 

2020 - 35 receptions on 62 targets (58%)

2021 - 35 receptions on 63 targets (56%)

2022 - 48 receptions on 93 targets (52%)

 

So do QB's just throw worse every time they target Gabe? Or was Gabe 1 for 4 today because he either doesn't run the best routes, drops passes, or isn't able to get seperation & fight off defenders? 

 

By comparison, here's Diggs:

 

2020 - 127 receptions on 166 targets (77%)

2021 - 103 receptions on 164 targets (63%)

2022 - 108 receptions on 154 targets (70%)

 

Guess Allen just throws better when targeting Diggs...

 

 

Edited August 28, 2023 by BigDingus

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 minute ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

He had 2, including the first play of the game, that hit him in the hands and he dropped. 

Josh looked pissed.

[BuffaloBillyG]

4 hours ago, PonyBoy said:

On a side note...Bob Barker died 😔

99 years old.

 

He lives as close as he could to 100 without going over. Respect.

[Solomon Grundy]

I'd like to see more of Ty Johnson. He showed speed and power. Ability to hit the right holes

[Ethan in Cleveland]

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

The "3rd" one was the first pass of the game where Allen put a slant right on his hands and he just plain dropped it.

 

Excusing him for passes defended and interceptions ignores the fact that he doesn't play the position well enough to get open on the short and intermediate routes that move the chains.  

 

When you can't get open on most of the routes in the tree you gotta' be good at catching contested passes at least.........and he's not.    That's why he can't be an efficient WR2.

 

Last year Josh Allen's QB rating dropped a staggering 40 points when targeting Gabe(80) versus WR1 Diggs (120)..............and passes to Davis result in INT's more than any other target on the Bills.  

 

He does two things well.........run deep routes(like 9's and post routes)........ and then come back to the ball on very slow developing plays or scrambles.   

I'm a Davis fan but have no defense for him today. Another flat out drop and the stats are what they are. 

Diggs needs 20 more targets during the season than compared to last year. They need to ride him to the SuperBowl and use him like the top 3 WR he is. 

Kincaid and Knox need to be option #2/3 on this offense. Let Davis pick up the scraps until he can prove he won't drop the easy ones and kill drives.

[ngbills]

Starters did what they needed to do except:

 

Davis - bad drops, almost fumbled his first down wide open catch, did not defend on the interception and could have knocked the ball down. 
Harty - Not seeing the extra gear we hear about. His punt returns sucked, both were long kicks that gave him a ton of space. 
Kincaid - Will need to rewatch but he got shut out. 

 

[Dr. Who]

5 minutes ago, ngbills said:

Starters did what they needed to do except:

 

Davis - bad drops, almost fumbled his first down wide open catch, did not defend on the interception and could have knocked the ball down. 
Harty - Not seeing the extra gear we hear about. His punt returns sucked, both were long kicks that gave him a ton of space. 
Kincaid - Will need to rewatch but he got shut out. 

 

Kincaid drew two defensive penalties. I am pretty sure they are keeping some of what Kincaid will do under wraps.

 

[In Summary]

I do not like the mini toilet seat collar jerseys. What gives?

[SoonerBillsFan]

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Josh looked pissed.

He should be.