The Wiz Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 1 minute ago, FireChans said: They aren't the police. Their job is not to uphold the law. They have a fiduciary responsibility to uphold their industry. Again. The question was the integrity of the NFL. A strong moral principle. Tell me the NFL has a "strong moral principle"? That's the only point I was making regarding involving all the domestic issues. I still think the NFL is recouping their losses from the covid seasons even though they are still stupidly profitable. If I really wanted to dive into the weeds I would complain about how players are taxed but the NFL is a non-profit so they are not but yea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 16 minutes ago, The Wiz said: Again. The question was the integrity of the NFL. A strong moral principle. Tell me the NFL has a "strong moral principle"? That's the only point I was making regarding involving all the domestic issues. I still think the NFL is recouping their losses from the covid seasons even though they are still stupidly profitable. If I really wanted to dive into the weeds I would complain about how players are taxed but the NFL is a non-profit so they are not but yea. I think they are talking about the integrity of the game lol. AKA the games aren't fixed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigduke6 Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 cant wait till its an elite player, one of the ones that you cant just say, hey, dis guy is a nobody, waive his ass. will be a bit different when its a top player. its inevitable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 21 minutes ago, The Wiz said: Again. The question was the integrity of the NFL. A strong moral principle. Tell me the NFL has a "strong moral principle"? That's the only point I was making regarding involving all the domestic issues. I still think the NFL is recouping their losses from the covid seasons even though they are still stupidly profitable. If I really wanted to dive into the weeds I would complain about how players are taxed but the NFL is a non-profit so they are not but yea. The NFL pays taxes Also, 'the NFL' mostly refers to league offices. NFL teams are not non profits and have been taxed accordingly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 3 hours ago, GoBills808 said: How is the integrity of the game an problem? It appears you did not read what I posted, yet you responded to…, 2 hours ago, Limeaid said: Likely there is going to be an issue hushed up for competitive purposes but the team's players know they are likely to lose a big game but odds are in favor of them winning. Players, especially players who are going to retire, will pass this on to family members to bet. If they get suspended does it matter? There are many ways for players to influence outcomes, 2 hours ago, FireChans said: The NFL didn't legalize sports betting, the states did. The owners own many of the gambling establishments and were/are instrumental in pushing states to pass said legislation, it goes hand in hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 1 hour ago, bigduke6 said: cant wait till its an elite player, one of the ones that you cant just say, hey, dis guy is a nobody, waive his ass. will be a bit different when its a top player. its inevitable. I wonder if a player can force himself off a team this way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 4 hours ago, Limeaid said: I wonder if a player can force himself off a team this way. I suppose they could but get a year off and then hope somebody wants your ruined reputation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 15 minutes ago, Mike in Horseheads said: I suppose they could but get a year off and then hope somebody wants your ruined reputation I think this is mostly PR and teams would accept a player back suspended for gambling more than PEDs, drug use, domestic violence, etc. if there was a clause in contract forfeiting salary, bonuses, etc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 6 hours ago, GoBills808 said: The NFL pays taxes Also, 'the NFL' mostly refers to league offices. NFL teams are not non profits and have been taxed accordingly I just realized that the point I was arguing aligned with Jerry Sullivan so I'm going to give myself a timeout. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 8 hours ago, StHustle said: Not being able to gamble on anything makes zero sense to me. NFL games I get it…even when it’s not your own game. Not being able to bet on a boxing match?? Make it make sense… The rule isn't that they can't gamble at all, they can't gamble on NFL games obviously, and they can't gamble in NFL facilities. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelius Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 (edited) 9 hours ago, StHustle said: Not being able to gamble on anything makes zero sense to me. NFL games I get it…even when it’s not your own game. Not being able to bet on a boxing match?? Make it make sense… Yeah I'm not really understanding this what with 80% of all commercials during any TV or radio broadcast shoving gambling sites down my throat. I must be missing something. So if a rando practice squad player on the Lions throws $80 down on an NBA tournament one weekend, he's banned? Or it's only within league or during league play? Make it make sense indeed Ah ok, NFL only, got it. Seems incredibly hard to police but that makes a little more sense. Edited June 30, 2023 by Nelius Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 12 hours ago, StHustle said: Not being able to gamble on anything makes zero sense to me. NFL games I get it…even when it’s not your own game. Not being able to bet on a boxing match?? Make it make sense… They're allowed to do that right now outside team facilities. My concern is a player could become addicted and would turn to the NFL (where they can actually influence their bets) in order to make up for the money they will inevitably lose betting other sports. I just don't understand why they make all sports betting illegal if you're employed by the NFL or an NFL team in any capacity. If you want to gamble, don't work for the NFL. It makes it very simple for NFL players to understand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 On 6/28/2023 at 5:15 PM, eball said: Good point. But you have to admit Schefter is a ho. he's paid to break stories for you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 https://www.theonion.com/nfl-players-suspended-for-violating-draftkings-terms-of-1850592792 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 21 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said: https://www.theonion.com/nfl-players-suspended-for-violating-draftkings-terms-of-1850592792 Quote DraftKings made these rules for a reason, whether that’s eligibility or withdrawal of prizes, and we need to punish those who violate the rules to deter future violations. These players need to remember who they work for. Players work for DraftKings now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanoros Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 On 6/28/2023 at 5:14 PM, 1ManRaid said: Did a riverboat gambler sleep with your girlfriend and kick your dog or something? That's some serious pearl clutching you're doing there. As for losing more than you win, it depends. By betting small and taking advantage of regular promotions, I've made far more than I've spent over time with my online gambling account (without any great lucky jackpots to skew the numbers). Contrary to what you seem to think is possible, it's just a fun hobby for me that hasn't ruined my life. Like all things, moderation. I also don’t gamble much but I enjoy roulette and when I play I play with $100. If I make money on the night I then double it down (sometimes what I gave over $100 others all of it) on red/black or odd/even. my dad loves slots and is one of the luckiest people I’ve ever seen on them (I’ve seen him win $16,000 his first pull after I got up, my last time ever playing a slot btw). I learned to play roulette I do in order to pass the time and make my money last. I can generally play for hours with that $100. In my time I’d guess I’m around even give or take a few $100. Now a days my dad spots me the $100 so someone will with him. Moderation is the key to life in regards just about everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted July 1, 2023 Share Posted July 1, 2023 On 6/29/2023 at 11:51 PM, The Wiz said: I just realized that the point I was arguing aligned with Jerry Sullivan so I'm going to give myself a timeout. Love Jerry. I know he's hated here, but that makes me like him even more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted July 1, 2023 Share Posted July 1, 2023 This is what happens when you make gambling on the games legal. The NFL has only itself to blame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted July 1, 2023 Share Posted July 1, 2023 28 minutes ago, GreggTX said: This is what happens when you make gambling on the games legal. The NFL has only itself to blame. NFL did not make gambling legal - courts did. NFL decided to partner with gambling as additional revenue source. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted July 1, 2023 Share Posted July 1, 2023 On 6/29/2023 at 11:51 PM, The Wiz said: I just realized that the point I was arguing aligned with Jerry Sullivan so I'm going to give myself a timeout. Jerry is jealous he cannot prostitute. A prison in Las Vegas (where it is legal) needs to hire him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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